Should doctors in the US really be making up to a million a year??

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Please, malpractice insurance is as much of a scam on the doctors as health insurance is on us plebes. All docs need to do to protect themselves from those evil trial lawyers is not screw up.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Should children die in this world because they can't afford to pay the money million dollar doctors get?

The answer to million dollar doctors is grinding out doctors by the millions in doctor mills with education paid for by the government and job security for life in government hospitals run like the military.

Sounds delightful. I wonder why among the brightest in society would subject themselves to that if there are options.

Salaries are diff in the US because of things like malpractice (in some cases). I know some doctors in Canada and they live well but most of the ones I know are not making money hand over fist; it's certainly not the best way to ultimate wealth if that's your goal. Money is important to them, though, obviously.

As mentioned above, we baulk at a doctor making half a million or something but there are actors and other celebrities worth hundreds of millions simply for entertaining us and dare I say entertainment in the ways they provide it is far less important than what doctors offer.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Please, malpractice insurance is as much of a scam on the doctors as health insurance is on us plebes. All docs need to do to protect themselves from those evil trial lawyers is not screw up.

Q: Why do we bury dead lawyers 10' deep and not 6' deep?


A: Because wayyy deep down, they are all really good guys

 

[Slew Foot]

Most physicians are making less than 200K. A few at the upper end of their field who are working 80-100hr weeks will rake in 500K plus, but thats like working two jobs.

That and most physicans are making less money than they did 20 years ago, paying doctors isnt whats causing high health care costs. Heck the sales rep for hip implants makes more money during a hip replacement than the surgeon and anesthesiologist COMBINED.

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Please, malpractice insurance is as much of a scam on the doctors as health insurance is on us plebes. All docs need to do to protect themselves from those evil trial lawyers is not screw up.

That's a pretty simplistic view. Nobody makes mistakes? Have you ever made any?

Whether it's a scam or not is of no consequence. It's a necessity in the litigious society in which we live.

You're going to have to do far better than that.

 

[Deeko]

I haven't read past the OP. In a word...yes! I clicked your link...you're complaining that the top salary for a SPINE SURGEON is 1.3 million? Seriously? I sure as hell want someone damn good and damn qualified to be operating on my spine, so hells yes pay him a 7 figures. Not to mention the absolute farce that is malpractice litigation in this country.

 

[Slew Foot]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I haven't read past the OP. In a word...yes! I clicked your link...you're complaining that the top salary for a SPINE SURGEON is 1.3 million? Seriously? I sure as hell want someone damn good and damn qualified to be operating on my spine, so hells yes pay him a 7 figures. Not to mention the absolute farce that is malpractice litigation in this country.

That and malpractice for ortho spine is absurd, hundred of thousands per year to start.

 

[Harvey]

Doctors do more for others than the Wall Street, bank and insurance execs who put us in the current financial shit hole. If you want to criticize disparities of income, start with the thieves who have already robbed us blind.

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Well the insurance costs could be solved by tort reform. And I would say the cost for schools should fall under the public sector to some degree too.

There's no equity in capping the damages for an insurer at anything less than the actual damages suffered by an injured, insured party, and there's no point in limiting punative damages when an insurer intentionally causes further suffering by denying or delaying payment for covered injuries.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Rubber-stamped by the Democrats

In a Republican majority Congress...Democrats couldn't have stopped it if they tried. It is sort like what the Republican's are bitching about now for any piece of legislation that passes through Congress.

The fact is, they didn't even try -- to the point that they didn't even symbolically vote against it as the Republicans do all the time -- so I'd say his "rubberstamp" argument is quite valid and your rebuttal is pretty weak.

now, back on topic...

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Please, malpractice insurance is as much of a scam on the doctors as health insurance is on us plebes. All docs need to do to protect themselves from those evil trial lawyers is not screw up.

That's a pretty simplistic view. Nobody makes mistakes? Have you ever made any?

Whether it's a scam or not is of no consequence. It's a necessity in the litigious society in which we live.

You're going to have to do far better than that.

Sure people make mistakes. And they pay for them. I don't call malpractice insurance a scam because it isn't necessity, I call it a scam from how it rakes even good docs over the coals. It's kind of funny how all these problems have one common contributing denominator- insurance.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Doctors do more for others than the Wall Street, bank and insurance execs who put us in the current financial shit hole. If you want to criticize disparities of income, start with the thieves who have already robbed us blind.

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Well the insurance costs could be solved by tort reform. And I would say the cost for schools should fall under the public sector to some degree too.

There's no equity in capping the damages for an insurer at anything less than the actual damages suffered by an injured, insured party, and there's no point in limiting punative damages when an insurer intentionally causes further suffering by denying or delaying payment for covered injuries.

How about Oprah, Michael Jordan, Paris Hilton, or Brad Pitt? What have each of them done to "deserve" their hundreds of millions that CEOs have not?

Just curious... and careful, they're all Democrats.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

At the risk of speaking for Harvey, I take his point to be that if someone was going to try to hammer people for excess of income, picking a group who literally work to save lives on a daily basis doesn't make much sense when people like Ken Lay and the managers at AIG get to rape and pillage the public and THEN get a bonus equal to the life's work of the top physicians.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

they are worth whatever people will pay for their services. its really not that complicated.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Please, malpractice insurance is as much of a scam on the doctors as health insurance is on us plebes. All docs need to do to protect themselves from those evil trial lawyers is not screw up.

That's a pretty simplistic view. Nobody makes mistakes? Have you ever made any?

Whether it's a scam or not is of no consequence. It's a necessity in the litigious society in which we live.

You're going to have to do far better than that.

Sure people make mistakes. And they pay for them. I don't call malpractice insurance a scam because it isn't necessity, I call it a scam from how it rakes even good docs over the coals. It's kind of funny how all these problems have one common contributing denominator- insurance.

So then you are of the school of thought that if a Software Engineer writes code that has a bug in it, which results in deaths, they should be PERSONALLY sued for as much as doctors are in mapractice cases?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

How about Oprah, Michael Jordan, Paris Hilton, or Brad Pitt? What have each of them done to "deserve" their hundreds of millions that CEOs have not?

They entertain millions of others, and they generate far more revenue that supports the salaries of thousands, if not millions, of others in their companies and communities. OTOH, the Wall Street robber barons and bankers are collecting zillions of dollars in salaries, "bonuses" and golden parachutes while leading their companies into the tank and sucking up our money to finance their bailouts.

Tell us again, how much did Oprah, Michael Jordan, Paris Hilton, or Brad Pitt receive in Federal bailout money?

Just curious... and careful, they're all Democrats.

There's no accounting for good taste and common sense. Obviously, even Paris Hilton has some. :laugh:

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Rubber-stamped by the Democrats

In a Republican majority Congress...Democrats couldn't have stopped it if they tried. It is sort like what the Republican's are bitching about now for any piece of legislation that passes through Congress.

The fact is, they didn't even try -- to the point that they didn't even symbolically vote against it as the Republicans do all the time -- so I'd say his "rubberstamp" argument is quite valid and your rebuttal is pretty weak.

now, back on topic...

So basically obstruct,obstruct ,obstruct like the party of NO does all the time. I really don't think this will get them very far politically.

They used the same tactics to try to kill Social Security and Medicare which they now think is ok.

Oh the hypocrisy...

 

[ohnoes]

The cost of school shouldn't be a factor in their salary since law school & bschool have similar costs, and they graduate with nowhere near the same earnings potential as Dr's.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: ohnoes
The cost of school shouldn't be a factor in their salary since law school & bschool have similar costs, and they graduate with nowhere near the same earnings potential as Dr's.

law school and business school? I'm assuming that's what you meant by bschool.

You....are trying to tell me that graduates from business school have lower earning potential than doctors? And you assume that lawyers are not well paid?

I....um.....what?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Please, malpractice insurance is as much of a scam on the doctors as health insurance is on us plebes. All docs need to do to protect themselves from those evil trial lawyers is not screw up.

That's a pretty simplistic view. Nobody makes mistakes? Have you ever made any?

Whether it's a scam or not is of no consequence. It's a necessity in the litigious society in which we live.

You're going to have to do far better than that.

Sure people make mistakes. And they pay for them. I don't call malpractice insurance a scam because it isn't necessity, I call it a scam from how it rakes even good docs over the coals. It's kind of funny how all these problems have one common contributing denominator- insurance.

So then you are of the school of thought that if a Software Engineer writes code that has a bug in it, which results in deaths, they should be PERSONALLY sued for as much as doctors are in mapractice cases?

So are you of the school of thought that people shouldn't PERSONALLY be held liable for their own mistakes?

 

[1LordEmperor1]

Doctor is about the only profession where I think that kind of salary is justified.

One doctor accomplishes more in any given day than all the professional athletes, actors, lawyers and bankers put together.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
So are you of the school of thought that people shouldn't PERSONALLY be held liable for their own mistakes?

Sweet side step, slugger.

Yes, people should be held responsible for their mistakes. No, they should not be sued into oblivion because they made a mistake at their job. Everyone makes mistakes. Now answer the question.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
So are you of the school of thought that people shouldn't PERSONALLY be held liable for their own mistakes?

Sweet side step, slugger.

Yes, people should be held responsible for their mistakes. No, they should not be sued into oblivion because they made a mistake at their job. Everyone makes mistakes. Now answer the question.

Not sidestepping, and you might feel different if you are on the bad end of one of those mistakes. Major screw-ups warrant major restitution.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

How about Oprah, Michael Jordan, Paris Hilton, or Brad Pitt? What have each of them done to "deserve" their hundreds of millions that CEOs have not?

They entertain millions of others, and they generate far more revenue that supports the salaries of thousands, if not millions, of others in their companies and communities. OTOH, the Wall Street robber barons and bankers are collecting zillions of dollars in salaries, "bonuses" and golden parachutes while leading their companies into the tank and sucking up our money to finance their bailouts.

Tell us again, how much did Oprah, Michael Jordan, Paris Hilton, or Brad Pitt receive in Federal bailout money?

Just curious... and careful, they're all Democrats.

There's no accounting for good taste and common sense. Obviously, even Paris Hilton has some. :laugh:

Do banks/finance companies not employ milliions of people as well? I'm also willing to bet that some in the entertainment industry listed above benefited from stimulus money as well.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

How about Oprah, Michael Jordan, Paris Hilton, or Brad Pitt? What have each of them done to "deserve" their hundreds of millions that CEOs have not?

They entertain millions of others, and they generate far more revenue that supports the salaries of thousands, if not millions, of others in their companies and communities. OTOH, the Wall Street robber barons and bankers are collecting zillions of dollars in salaries, "bonuses" and golden parachutes while leading their companies into the tank and sucking up our money to finance their bailouts.

Tell us again, how much did Oprah, Michael Jordan, Paris Hilton, or Brad Pitt receive in Federal bailout money?

Just curious... and careful, they're all Democrats.

There's no accounting for good taste and common sense. Obviously, even Paris Hilton has some. :laugh:

Do banks/finance companies not employ milliions of people as well? I'm also willing to bet that some in the entertainment industry listed above benefited from stimulus money as well.

If Oprah says she's too big to fail and gets billions then pays herself out of them, I'll raise hell too.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
So are you of the school of thought that people shouldn't PERSONALLY be held liable for their own mistakes?

Sweet side step, slugger.

Yes, people should be held responsible for their mistakes. No, they should not be sued into oblivion because they made a mistake at their job. Everyone makes mistakes. Now answer the question.

Not sidestepping, and you might feel different if you are on the bad end of one of those mistakes. Major screw-ups warrant major restitution.

Define "major". Today's society sues doctors for everything. And you still haven't answered my question, so I guess it isn't sidestepping, its just ignoring.