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Praxis1452

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The AMA and other licensing organizations are a part of the huge healthcare costs. Because you absolutely have to be licensed to get a job as a doctor, the AMA and other associations work to limit the number of new doctors. In this way they can keep the supply of doctors low enough to force a higher salary while at the same time decreasing overall medical care.

David Friedman: "Of all the craft unions that exploit licensing, the most important is the American Medical Association, which is not usually considered a union at all. Physicians are licensed by the states, and the state licensing boards are effectively controlled by the AMA. That is hardly surprising; if you were a state legislator, whom could you find more qualified to license physicians than other physicians? But it is in the interest of physicians to keep down the number of physicians for exactly the same reason that it is in the interest of plumbers to keep down the number of plumbers; the law of supply and demand drives up wages. Physicians justify restricting the number of physicians, to others and doubtless to themselves as well, on the grounds of keeping up quality. Even if that were really what they were doing, the argument involves a fundamental error. Refusing to license the less qualified 50 percent of physicians may raise the average quality of physicians but it lowers
the average quality of medical care. It does not mean that everyone gets better medical care but that half the people get no care or that everyone gets half as much.
Some of the restrictions the AMA has advocated, such as requiring applicants for medical licensing to be citizens and to take their licensing examinations in English, have a very dubious relationship to quality. They look more like an attempt to prevent immigrants from competing with American doctors. It is interesting to note that during the five years after 1933 the same number of physicians trained abroad were admitted to practice in this country, as during the previous five years, despite the large numbers of professional people fleeing here from Germany and Austria during that period. This is striking evidence of the power of organized medicine to limit entry to its profession. How does the AMA control the number of doctors? Refusing to license doctors after they are trained would create a great deal of hostility among those rejected; that would be politically expensive.
Instead, it relies mainly on the medical schools. In order to be licensed, an applicant must be a graduate of an approved medical school; the states get their list of approved schools from the Council on Medical Education and Hospitals of the AM A. For a medical school, removal from the list means ruin. In the 1930s, when doctors, like everyone else, were suffering the effects of the Great Depression, the Council on Medical Education and Hospitals wrote the medical schools, complaining that they were admitting more students than they could train properly. In the next two years, every school reduced the number it was admitting. Since then the AMA has become less obvious in its methods, but the logic of the situation has not changed."

From "The Machinery of Freedom"
 

Darwin333

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Originally posted by: Ausm

In a Republican majority Congress...Democrats couldn't have stopped it if they tried. It is sort like what the Republican's are bitching about now for any piece of legislation that passes through Congress.

Does that explain why some actually voted FOR the war? I don't really want to get involved in ya'lls partisan circle jerks but only in politics do people use excuses that are that friggen bad with a straight face.
 

Darwin333

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Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Please, malpractice insurance is as much of a scam on the doctors as health insurance is on us plebes. All docs need to do to protect themselves from those evil trial lawyers is not screw up.

lol, really?
 

ohnoes

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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: ohnoes
The cost of school shouldn't be a factor in their salary since law school & bschool have similar costs, and they graduate with nowhere near the same earnings potential as Dr's.

law school and business school? I'm assuming that's what you meant by bschool.

You....are trying to tell me that graduates from business school have lower earning potential than doctors? And you assume that lawyers are not well paid?

I....um.....what?

The average starting salary for top 20 bschool grads are around the 100-120 mark. Dr's who go into specialties (who are the most comparable to this group) start at ~200+, or more if they go into private practice or take on OT & do more procedures. E.g. my good friend that just finished residency & is now an Anesthesiologist. Base of 250, and can make another 20%+ if he works 5 days a week instead of 4.

They also don't have to fear too much about layoffs, although the malpractice thing is a bit of a pain.

 
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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
So are you of the school of thought that people shouldn't PERSONALLY be held liable for their own mistakes?

Sweet side step, slugger.

Yes, people should be held responsible for their mistakes. No, they should not be sued into oblivion because they made a mistake at their job. Everyone makes mistakes. Now answer the question.

Not sidestepping, and you might feel different if you are on the bad end of one of those mistakes. Major screw-ups warrant major restitution.

Define "major". Today's society sues doctors for everything. And you still haven't answered my question, so I guess it isn't sidestepping, its just ignoring.

I would call screwing up and killing folks major. And if you need a simpler answer to your question, it is yes. Moral of the story? It's best not to screw up and kill people regardless of profession. And with all the preventable medical mistakes that continue to kill and maim people every year people are apparently not suing enough. Or insurance is shielding those responsible from the personal responsibility enough where they really just don't give a shit.
 

Infohawk

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It is too hard to become a doctor in this country. If we had more doctors their services would not be as valuable due to supply and demand.

On the other hand, there are always going to be sought-after specialists that people are willing to pay big bucks. Let the market serve these people.
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
So are you of the school of thought that people shouldn't PERSONALLY be held liable for their own mistakes?

Sweet side step, slugger.

Yes, people should be held responsible for their mistakes. No, they should not be sued into oblivion because they made a mistake at their job. Everyone makes mistakes. Now answer the question.

Not sidestepping, and you might feel different if you are on the bad end of one of those mistakes. Major screw-ups warrant major restitution.

Define "major". Today's society sues doctors for everything. And you still haven't answered my question, so I guess it isn't sidestepping, its just ignoring.

I would call screwing up and killing folks major. And if you need a simpler answer to your question, it is yes. Moral of the story? It's best not to screw up and kill people regardless of profession. And with all the preventable medical mistakes that continue to kill and maim people every year people are apparently not suing enough. Or insurance is shielding those responsible from the personal responsibility enough where they really just don't give a shit.

hmm, so you think that if one of potentially hundreds or thousands of software engineers introduces a bug into software, which is not directly related to death, but starts a 'snowball' effect, he should be sued into oblivion? What about the testers that missed it? The managers that gave it a green light?

You drastically underestimate the amount of stupid shit people sue doctors for, too. But that's cool, sit on your litigious mountain of "self responsibility", you and the worthless lawyers prosecuting the case are the reprehensible ones, not the doctors.
 

JS80

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They should make whatever the market tells them they should make UNLESS they have a monopoly. Which they do right now. So either break the monopoly or regulate the fuck out of them.
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: ohnoes
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: ohnoes
The cost of school shouldn't be a factor in their salary since law school & bschool have similar costs, and they graduate with nowhere near the same earnings potential as Dr's.

law school and business school? I'm assuming that's what you meant by bschool.

You....are trying to tell me that graduates from business school have lower earning potential than doctors? And you assume that lawyers are not well paid?

I....um.....what?

The average starting salary for top 20 bschool grads are around the 100-120 mark. Dr's who go into specialties (who are the most comparable to this group) start at ~200+, or more if they go into private practice or take on OT & do more procedures. E.g. my good friend that just finished residency & is now an Anesthesiologist. Base of 250, and can make another 20%+ if he works 5 days a week instead of 4.

They also don't have to fear too much about layoffs, although the malpractice thing is a bit of a pain.

ah ah ah, don't bother backtracking and changing your story. You didn't say anything about starting salary - you said "earnings potential".
 
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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
So are you of the school of thought that people shouldn't PERSONALLY be held liable for their own mistakes?

Sweet side step, slugger.

Yes, people should be held responsible for their mistakes. No, they should not be sued into oblivion because they made a mistake at their job. Everyone makes mistakes. Now answer the question.

Not sidestepping, and you might feel different if you are on the bad end of one of those mistakes. Major screw-ups warrant major restitution.

Define "major". Today's society sues doctors for everything. And you still haven't answered my question, so I guess it isn't sidestepping, its just ignoring.

I would call screwing up and killing folks major. And if you need a simpler answer to your question, it is yes. Moral of the story? It's best not to screw up and kill people regardless of profession. And with all the preventable medical mistakes that continue to kill and maim people every year people are apparently not suing enough. Or insurance is shielding those responsible from the personal responsibility enough where they really just don't give a shit.

hmm, so you think that if one of potentially hundreds or thousands of software engineers introduces a bug into software, which is not directly related to death, but starts a 'snowball' effect, he should be sued into oblivion? What about the testers that missed it? The managers that gave it a green light?

You drastically underestimate the amount of stupid shit people sue doctors for, too. But that's cool, sit on your litigious mountain of "self responsibility", you and the worthless lawyers prosecuting the case are the reprehensible ones, not the doctors.

Yeah, why don't you look up how many deaths annually are caused by preventable medical mistakes vs, say, auto accidents and tell me these poor people are being sued too much. I have a better chance of surviving at 60 mph with morons talking on their cell phones and putting on their make-up than a trip to the hospital.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: JS80
They should make whatever the market tells them they should make UNLESS they have a monopoly. Which they do right now. So either break the monopoly or regulate the fuck out of them.

Wat
 
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Originally posted by: ohnoes
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: ohnoes
The cost of school shouldn't be a factor in their salary since law school & bschool have similar costs, and they graduate with nowhere near the same earnings potential as Dr's.

law school and business school? I'm assuming that's what you meant by bschool.

You....are trying to tell me that graduates from business school have lower earning potential than doctors? And you assume that lawyers are not well paid?

I....um.....what?

The average starting salary for top 20 bschool grads are around the 100-120 mark. Dr's who go into specialties (who are the most comparable to this group) start at ~200+, or more if they go into private practice or take on OT & do more procedures. E.g. my good friend that just finished residency & is now an Anesthesiologist. Base of 250, and can make another 20%+ if he works 5 days a week instead of 4.

They also don't have to fear too much about layoffs, although the malpractice thing is a bit of a pain.

Don't forget that doctors have extra years of schooling. Residency is a period of low-wage and if you want to specialize in something, it could mean up to another 4 years of schooling. It's not quite the same thing as going to law school or business school.
 

OCGuy

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Why the hell do people feel the need to count other's money?


If you arent happy with the life-path you chose, do something else. But please, stop the envy.
 
Dec 10, 2005
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Originally posted by: JS80
They should make whatever the market tells them they should make UNLESS they have a monopoly. Which they do right now. So either break the monopoly or regulate the fuck out of them.

My physician doesn't have a monopoly in providing healthcare. If I don't like him, I can go find another doctor.

The AMA is not the one setting prices for medical procedures. So 404: Monopoly Not Found.
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Yeah, why don't you look up how many deaths annually are caused by preventable medical mistakes vs, say, auto accidents and tell me these poor people are being sued too much. I have a better chance of surviving at 60 mph with morons talking on their cell phones and putting on their make-up than a trip to the hospital.

First off, holy shit that last sentence sounds stupid. I sure as hell hope driving is safer than going to the hospital - ya know, the place people sick or shot in the face go.

Secondly, a quick googling brought up a story on the subject - one of the top "medical mistakes" included in your statistics? Patients not communicating with doctors. Like a patient not telling a doctor they have a condition, allergy, conflicting prescription. Yea, SUE THAT FUCKING DOCTOR!
 

Darwin333

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

How about Oprah, Michael Jordan, Paris Hilton, or Brad Pitt? What have each of them done to "deserve" their hundreds of millions that CEOs have not?

They entertain millions of others, and they generate far more revenue that supports the salaries of thousands, if not millions, of others in their companies and communities. OTOH, the Wall Street robber barons and bankers are collecting zillions of dollars in salaries, "bonuses" and golden parachutes while leading their companies into the tank and sucking up our money to finance their bailouts.

Tell us again, how much did Oprah, Michael Jordan, Paris Hilton, or Brad Pitt receive in Federal bailout money?

Just curious... and careful, they're all Democrats.

There's no accounting for good taste and common sense. Obviously, even Paris Hilton has some. :laugh:

Yeah, those bankers committed, and still are btw, fraudulent acts that led to the tanking of their companies. Who gives a fuck what they make? Prosecute them and sell all their belongings with the proceeds going towards the damaged.

Lets see how well that golden parachute helps out when they land in jail. Naw, we won't do that though. Instead we will bicker back and forth over capping their pay or restricting bonuses or some other diversion.

The sad reality is they are still raking you and I over the coals as we speak. How is it that when the FDIC takes over a bank they are often getting only 50 - 70% of what the bank valued the assets at? A few percent could be a mistake but 50%???
 

JSt0rm

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Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Originally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Rubber-stamped by the Democrats
In a Republican majority Congress...Democrats couldn't have stopped it if they tried. It is sort like what the Republican's are bitching about now for any piece of legislation that passes through Congress.
The fact is, they didn't even try -- to the point that they didn't even symbolically vote against it as the Republicans do all the time -- so I'd say his "rubberstamp" argument is quite valid and your rebuttal is pretty weak.

now, back on topic...

well while I do think the dems would wage war for profit almost as fast as the republicans we were lied to about the reasons for war.
 

hiromizu

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It's not envy. They are expressing their feelings that it's not fair that they cannot get the service that they want and need because it's unrealistically expensive. They feel everyone should be entitted to high quality care at little to no cost - at least when they are the consumer and not the provider.
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Yeah, why don't you look up how many deaths annually are caused by preventable medical mistakes vs, say, auto accidents and tell me these poor people are being sued too much. I have a better chance of surviving at 60 mph with morons talking on their cell phones and putting on their make-up than a trip to the hospital.

First off, holy shit that last sentence sounds stupid. I sure as hell hope driving is safer than going to the hospital - ya know, the place people sick or shot in the face go.

Secondly, a quick googling brought up a story on the subject - one of the top "medical mistakes" included in your statistics? Patients not communicating with doctors. Like a patient not telling a doctor they have a condition, allergy, conflicting prescription. Yea, SUE THAT FUCKING DOCTOR!

Besides, on the topic of this thread - think about what doctors/surgeons do. Its a hell of a lot more important/difficult than a hell of a lot of better paid positions. So whether you think the lawsuits are justified or not, they sure as hell deserve the money, if not more, because their decisions and actions decide whether you live or die.
 

Pens1566

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Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: Ausm

In a Republican majority Congress...Democrats couldn't have stopped it if they tried. It is sort like what the Republican's are bitching about now for any piece of legislation that passes through Congress.

Does that explain why some actually voted FOR the war? I don't really want to get involved in ya'lls partisan circle jerks but only in politics do people use excuses that are that friggen bad with a straight face.

fail
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

How about Oprah, Michael Jordan, Paris Hilton, or Brad Pitt? What have each of them done to "deserve" their hundreds of millions that CEOs have not?

They entertain millions of others, and they generate far more revenue that supports the salaries of thousands, if not millions, of others in their companies and communities. OTOH, the Wall Street robber barons and bankers are collecting zillions of dollars in salaries, "bonuses" and golden parachutes while leading their companies into the tank and sucking up our money to finance their bailouts.

Tell us again, how much did Oprah, Michael Jordan, Paris Hilton, or Brad Pitt receive in Federal bailout money?

Just curious... and careful, they're all Democrats.

There's no accounting for good taste and common sense. Obviously, even Paris Hilton has some. :laugh:

Do banks/finance companies not employ milliions of people as well?

Are their top execs sucking down megabuck salaries, "bonuses" and golden parachutes while leading their companies into the tank and sucking up our money to finance their bailouts?

They should not be rewarded for failure.

I'm also willing to bet that some in the entertainment industry listed above benefited from stimulus money as well.

For the banks and Wall Street crooks, that bet was already made for all of us in the form of the bailouts, regardless of how "willing" we were to make it. :roll:

If you're so "willing to bet," show us exactly which catastrophically failing stars and companies from the entertainment industry were given mega to gigabuck bailouts funded by the taxpaying citizens of our nation. Links, please.

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

If Oprah says she's too big to fail and gets billions then pays herself out of them, I'll raise hell too.

When Oprah gets too big, she goes on a well publicized diet and makes more money for herself and the company providing weight loss services, which could, in turn, cut the medical bills and even save the lives of thousands of overweight housewives.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Praxis1452
The AMA and other licensing organizations are a part of the huge healthcare costs. Because you absolutely have to be licensed to get a job as a doctor, the AMA and other associations work to limit the number of new doctors. In this way they can keep the supply of doctors low enough to force a higher salary while at the same time decreasing overall medical care.

David Friedman: "Of all the craft unions that exploit licensing, the most important is the American Medical Association, which is not usually considered a union at all. Physicians are licensed by the states, and the state licensing boards are effectively controlled by the AMA. That is hardly surprising; if you were a state legislator, whom could you find more qualified to license physicians than other physicians? But it is in the interest of physicians to keep down the number of physicians for exactly the same reason that it is in the interest of plumbers to keep down the number of plumbers; the law of supply and demand drives up wages. Physicians justify restricting the number of physicians, to others and doubtless to themselves as well, on the grounds of keeping up quality. Even if that were really what they were doing, the argument involves a fundamental error. Refusing to license the less qualified 50 percent of physicians may raise the average quality of physicians but it lowers
the average quality of medical care. It does not mean that everyone gets better medical care but that half the people get no care or that everyone gets half as much.
Some of the restrictions the AMA has advocated, such as requiring applicants for medical licensing to be citizens and to take their licensing examinations in English, have a very dubious relationship to quality. They look more like an attempt to prevent immigrants from competing with American doctors. It is interesting to note that during the five years after 1933 the same number of physicians trained abroad were admitted to practice in this country, as during the previous five years, despite the large numbers of professional people fleeing here from Germany and Austria during that period. This is striking evidence of the power of organized medicine to limit entry to its profession. How does the AMA control the number of doctors? Refusing to license doctors after they are trained would create a great deal of hostility among those rejected; that would be politically expensive.
Instead, it relies mainly on the medical schools. In order to be licensed, an applicant must be a graduate of an approved medical school; the states get their list of approved schools from the Council on Medical Education and Hospitals of the AM A. For a medical school, removal from the list means ruin. In the 1930s, when doctors, like everyone else, were suffering the effects of the Great Depression, the Council on Medical Education and Hospitals wrote the medical schools, complaining that they were admitting more students than they could train properly. In the next two years, every school reduced the number it was admitting. Since then the AMA has become less obvious in its methods, but the logic of the situation has not changed."

From "The Machinery of Freedom"

:thumbsup:
 

ohnoes

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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: ohnoes
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: ohnoes
The cost of school shouldn't be a factor in their salary since law school & bschool have similar costs, and they graduate with nowhere near the same earnings potential as Dr's.

law school and business school? I'm assuming that's what you meant by bschool.

You....are trying to tell me that graduates from business school have lower earning potential than doctors? And you assume that lawyers are not well paid?

I....um.....what?

The average starting salary for top 20 bschool grads are around the 100-120 mark. Dr's who go into specialties (who are the most comparable to this group) start at ~200+, or more if they go into private practice or take on OT & do more procedures. E.g. my good friend that just finished residency & is now an Anesthesiologist. Base of 250, and can make another 20%+ if he works 5 days a week instead of 4.

They also don't have to fear too much about layoffs, although the malpractice thing is a bit of a pain.

ah ah ah, don't bother backtracking and changing your story. You didn't say anything about starting salary - you said "earnings potential".

Yes, earnings potential is still higher for a doctor. If you had any sense, you'd know that earnings potential is directly affected by your starting salary.

 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: ohnoes

Yes, earnings potential is still higher for a doctor. If you had any sense, you'd know that earnings potential is directly affected by your starting salary.

Earnings potential - your potential earnings, not your initial earnings. I don't know about you, but most of us intend to work beyond our first year after college.

The max on that list is 1.3 million. Now....how many business school graduates do you think exceed that? Maybe not a high percentage - but plenty of them. And not a high percentage of doctors receive that salary, so your point is moot.

Move along.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: JS80
They should make whatever the market tells them they should make UNLESS they have a monopoly. Which they do right now. So either break the monopoly or regulate the fuck out of them.

My physician doesn't have a monopoly in providing healthcare. If I don't like him, I can go find another doctor.

The AMA is not the one setting prices for medical procedures. So 404: Monopoly Not Found.

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
The AMA and other licensing organizations are a part of the huge healthcare costs. Because you absolutely have to be licensed to get a job as a doctor, the AMA and other associations work to limit the number of new doctors. In this way they can keep the supply of doctors low enough to force a higher salary while at the same time decreasing overall medical care.

David Friedman: "Of all the craft unions that exploit licensing, the most important is the American Medical Association, which is not usually considered a union at all. Physicians are licensed by the states, and the state licensing boards are effectively controlled by the AMA. That is hardly surprising; if you were a state legislator, whom could you find more qualified to license physicians than other physicians? But it is in the interest of physicians to keep down the number of physicians for exactly the same reason that it is in the interest of plumbers to keep down the number of plumbers; the law of supply and demand drives up wages. Physicians justify restricting the number of physicians, to others and doubtless to themselves as well, on the grounds of keeping up quality. Even if that were really what they were doing, the argument involves a fundamental error. Refusing to license the less qualified 50 percent of physicians may raise the average quality of physicians but it lowers
the average quality of medical care. It does not mean that everyone gets better medical care but that half the people get no care or that everyone gets half as much.
Some of the restrictions the AMA has advocated, such as requiring applicants for medical licensing to be citizens and to take their licensing examinations in English, have a very dubious relationship to quality. They look more like an attempt to prevent immigrants from competing with American doctors. It is interesting to note that during the five years after 1933 the same number of physicians trained abroad were admitted to practice in this country, as during the previous five years, despite the large numbers of professional people fleeing here from Germany and Austria during that period. This is striking evidence of the power of organized medicine to limit entry to its profession. How does the AMA control the number of doctors? Refusing to license doctors after they are trained would create a great deal of hostility among those rejected; that would be politically expensive.
Instead, it relies mainly on the medical schools. In order to be licensed, an applicant must be a graduate of an approved medical school; the states get their list of approved schools from the Council on Medical Education and Hospitals of the AM A. For a medical school, removal from the list means ruin. In the 1930s, when doctors, like everyone else, were suffering the effects of the Great Depression, the Council on Medical Education and Hospitals wrote the medical schools, complaining that they were admitting more students than they could train properly. In the next two years, every school reduced the number it was admitting. Since then the AMA has become less obvious in its methods, but the logic of the situation has not changed."

From "The Machinery of Freedom"

From the Hippocratic Oath:

I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.

Doctors do indeed have a monopoly in practicing medicine in this country.
 
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