Originally posted by: JS80
Doctors do indeed have a monopoly in practicing medicine in this country.
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: ohnoes
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: ohnoes
The cost of school shouldn't be a factor in their salary since law school & bschool have similar costs, and they graduate with nowhere near the same earnings potential as Dr's.
law school and business school? I'm assuming that's what you meant by bschool.
You....are trying to tell me that graduates from business school have lower earning potential than doctors? And you assume that lawyers are not well paid?
I....um.....what?
The average starting salary for top 20 bschool grads are around the 100-120 mark. Dr's who go into specialties (who are the most comparable to this group) start at ~200+, or more if they go into private practice or take on OT & do more procedures. E.g. my good friend that just finished residency & is now an Anesthesiologist. Base of 250, and can make another 20%+ if he works 5 days a week instead of 4.
They also don't have to fear too much about layoffs, although the malpractice thing is a bit of a pain.
Don't forget that doctors have extra years of schooling. Residency is a period of low-wage and if you want to specialize in something, it could mean up to another 4 years of schooling. It's not quite the same thing as going to law school or business school.
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Yeah, why don't you look up how many deaths annually are caused by preventable medical mistakes vs, say, auto accidents and tell me these poor people are being sued too much. I have a better chance of surviving at 60 mph with morons talking on their cell phones and putting on their make-up than a trip to the hospital.
First off, holy shit that last sentence sounds stupid. I sure as hell hope driving is safer than going to the hospital - ya know, the place people sick or shot in the face go.
Secondly, a quick googling brought up a story on the subject - one of the top "medical mistakes" included in your statistics? Patients not communicating with doctors. Like a patient not telling a doctor they have a condition, allergy, conflicting prescription. Yea, SUE THAT FUCKING DOCTOR!
Originally posted by: Pens1566
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: Ausm
In a Republican majority Congress...Democrats couldn't have stopped it if they tried. It is sort like what the Republican's are bitching about now for any piece of legislation that passes through Congress.
Does that explain why some actually voted FOR the war? I don't really want to get involved in ya'lls partisan circle jerks but only in politics do people use excuses that are that friggen bad with a straight face.
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Originally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Rubberstamped by the DemocratsOriginally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Should children die in this world because they can't afford to pay the money million dollar doctors get?
The answer to million dollar doctors is grinding out doctors by the millions in doctor mills with education paid for by the government and job security for life in government hospitals run like the military.
And we see the level of respect that soldiers get from liberals...
Are you going to spit on your doctor too?
Republican's respect soldiers by sendingDe them to their death in an illicit war.
In a Republican majority Congress...Democrats couldn't have stopped it if they tried. It is sort like what the Republican's are bitching about now for any piece of legislation that passes through Congress.
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: JS80
Doctors do indeed have a monopoly in practicing medicine in this country.
Lawyers have a monopoly on practicing law in this country. Are they a monopoly too?
There is no monopoly because doctors are individual entities. They are not some conglomerate that work out overall prices with one another.
There might be a monopoly in the way that the AMA runs med schools, but that's not doctors. Plus, you can always go for D.O. degree, which isn't granted via the AMA.
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: ohnoes
Yes, earnings potential is still higher for a doctor. If you had any sense, you'd know that earnings potential is directly affected by your starting salary.
Earnings potential - your potential earnings, not your initial earnings. I don't know about you, but most of us intend to work beyond our first year after college.
The max on that list is 1.3 million. Now....how many business school graduates do you think exceed that? Maybe not a high percentage - but plenty of them. And not a high percentage of doctors receive that salary, so your point is moot.
Move along.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Should children die in this world because they can't afford to pay the money million dollar doctors get?
The answer to million dollar doctors is grinding out doctors by the millions in doctor mills with education paid for by the government and job security for life in government hospitals run like the military.
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: BoberFett
And we see the level of respect that soldiers get from liberals...
Get some new material please. One would think that sending troops to be blown apart in another country that posed no threat to us would not be considered "showing them respect." Why did Bush hate the troops?
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Please, malpractice insurance is as much of a scam on the doctors as health insurance is on us plebes. All docs need to do to protect themselves from those evil trial lawyers is not screw up.
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Please, malpractice insurance is as much of a scam on the doctors as health insurance is on us plebes. All docs need to do to protect themselves from those evil trial lawyers is not screw up.
Originally posted by: tk149
Originally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Rubberstamped by the DemocratsOriginally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Should children die in this world because they can't afford to pay the money million dollar doctors get?
The answer to million dollar doctors is grinding out doctors by the millions in doctor mills with education paid for by the government and job security for life in government hospitals run like the military.
And we see the level of respect that soldiers get from liberals...
Are you going to spit on your doctor too?
Republican's respect soldiers by sendingDe them to their death in an illicit war.
In a Republican majority Congress...Democrats couldn't have stopped it if they tried. It is sort like what the Republican's are bitching about now for any piece of legislation that passes through Congress.
Democrats who voted for war can't be held responsible for their own actions because they would have been outvoted anyway. I am awed by your application of logic.
Originally posted by: ohnoes
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: ohnoes
Yes, earnings potential is still higher for a doctor. If you had any sense, you'd know that earnings potential is directly affected by your starting salary.
Earnings potential - your potential earnings, not your initial earnings. I don't know about you, but most of us intend to work beyond our first year after college.
The max on that list is 1.3 million. Now....how many business school graduates do you think exceed that? Maybe not a high percentage - but plenty of them. And not a high percentage of doctors receive that salary, so your point is moot.
Move along.
Wow... that's the dumbest argument I've ever heard. We're talking about _average_ earning potential since that's what matters. Who goes to a school aiming for the 1% possibility of striking it rich?
Newsflash: most bschool grads don't get to c-level positions and top out around the Director/VP level if that. 99% of your average mid-tier bschool grads will never ever make $200K.
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
PREVENTABLE MEDICAL MISTAKES. Maybe you understand caps better? I have a better chance of surviving nimrods on the road than a PREVENTABLE MEDICAL MISTAKE. NOT THE REASON I WENT TO THE HOSPITAL IN THE FIRST PLACE. And doctors are also supposed to ASK PATIENTS THE PROPER QUESTIONS. They are the ones that are medically trained, they are the ones responsible for getting the necessary info. If they don't ask a relevant and problems result, IT'S THEIR FAULT. And I'll have you know I took out several questionable categories of deaths from the statistics I found (including deaths from uncommon side effects from properly prescribed and dosed medicine) and the deaths WERE STILL HIGHER.
Originally posted by: Locut0s
Note: I'm not arguing that doctors salaries should be drastically cut to save expenses. I'm just shocked at how high these numbers are. The real solution would be in eliminating the entire medical private insurance industry (or almost so). But that's sadly not on the table.
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: ohnoes
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: ohnoes
Yes, earnings potential is still higher for a doctor. If you had any sense, you'd know that earnings potential is directly affected by your starting salary.
Earnings potential - your potential earnings, not your initial earnings. I don't know about you, but most of us intend to work beyond our first year after college.
The max on that list is 1.3 million. Now....how many business school graduates do you think exceed that? Maybe not a high percentage - but plenty of them. And not a high percentage of doctors receive that salary, so your point is moot.
Move along.
Wow... that's the dumbest argument I've ever heard. We're talking about _average_ earning potential since that's what matters. Who goes to a school aiming for the 1% possibility of striking it rich?
Newsflash: most bschool grads don't get to c-level positions and top out around the Director/VP level if that. 99% of your average mid-tier bschool grads will never ever make $200K.
You obviously need to a trip to the dictionary to learn the meaning of the word "potential".
If you phrased your argument wrong, and you did not mean potential, well...that's your fault, sport.
Originally posted by: Deeko
Reading comprehension is clearly not your strong suit, shouting from atop your mountain of the reprehensible trash of society seems to fit you better.
I quite clearly said that the last sentence is stupid. Much like that guy that thinks MBAs can't make money, if that's not what you meant, you should have said something else. Just because a doctor asks a question doesn't mean the patient answers, or answers truthfully/correctly. You are a fool if you think doctors get a 100% accurate history from a patient when they ask them for it. There is more to the category I mentioned than prescriptions, which again relies on the patient providing accurate information.
You may have noticed - a whole lot of people have responded to your first statement, deriding its foolishness. Maybe instead of screaming like a little girl in a grocery store that didn't get her twizzlers, you should take a step back and realize that you're wrong, regardless of the irrelevant statistics you spew, which have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
And I will say again - I would hope that I have a higher chance of surviving in a car than in a hospital :roll:
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: JS80
Doctors do indeed have a monopoly in practicing medicine in this country.
Lawyers have a monopoly on practicing law in this country. Are they a monopoly too?
There is no monopoly because doctors are individual entities. They are not some conglomerate that work out overall prices with one another.
There might be a monopoly in the way that the AMA runs med schools, but that's not doctors. Plus, you can always go for D.O. degree, which isn't granted via the AMA.
Law doesn't have pricing problem because they accept anyone who is willing to pay to become a lawyer. The AMA purposefully keeps the supply of doctors low to preserve their profession through their med school shenanigans. That's an effective monopoly. That is unconscionable for a profession that is supposed to save lives. They are not even pretending to try to keep up with population and demand. AMA = doctors.
And who the hell respects DOs?
Originally posted by: AreaCode707
Originally posted by: Locut0s
Note: I'm not arguing that doctors salaries should be drastically cut to save expenses. I'm just shocked at how high these numbers are. The real solution would be in eliminating the entire medical private insurance industry (or almost so). But that's sadly not on the table.
One thing I learned in a UHC thread here that, upon research, turned out to be really true, was that the "scarcity" of doctors and thus the pay they can demand is related to the artificially restricted number of spots in medical schools. The boards controlling that could opt to allow more schools to be built, or allow more spots in some of the existing schools.
That cause is much more relevant than private insurance.
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: BoberFett
And we see the level of respect that soldiers get from liberals...
Get some new material please. One would think that sending troops to be blown apart in another country that posed no threat to us would not be considered "showing them respect." Why did Bush hate the troops?
Don't put words in my mouth, I never said any such thing. I think all of our bases around the world should be shut down and our soldiers put to work defending the US, not assaulting other nations.
But do liberals really want our health care system to look like our military? An organization they seem to despise?
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
they are worth whatever people will pay for their services. its really not that complicated.
Originally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Rubberstamped by the DemocratsOriginally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Should children die in this world because they can't afford to pay the money million dollar doctors get?
The answer to million dollar doctors is grinding out doctors by the millions in doctor mills with education paid for by the government and job security for life in government hospitals run like the military.
And we see the level of respect that soldiers get from liberals...
Are you going to spit on your doctor too?
Republican's respect soldiers by sendingDe them to their death in an illicit war.
In a Republican majority Congress...Democrats couldn't have stopped it if they tried. It is sort like what the Republican's are bitching about now for any piece of legislation that passes through Congress.
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Rubberstamped by the DemocratsOriginally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Should children die in this world because they can't afford to pay the money million dollar doctors get?
The answer to million dollar doctors is grinding out doctors by the millions in doctor mills with education paid for by the government and job security for life in government hospitals run like the military.
And we see the level of respect that soldiers get from liberals...
Are you going to spit on your doctor too?
Republican's respect soldiers by sendingDe them to their death in an illicit war.
In a Republican majority Congress...Democrats couldn't have stopped it if they tried. It is sort like what the Republican's are bitching about now for any piece of legislation that passes through Congress.
:disgust:
At the time of the vote authorizing the Iraqi war the Dems held control of the senate. Daschle was Senate Leader.
Senate in 107th Congress.
Fern
Originally posted by: Deeko
And I will say again - I would hope that I have a higher chance of surviving in a car than in a hospital :roll: