Should doctors refuse to teat PTs who do not follow instructions?

[Texashiker]

The question I have is not about vaccines, but about the doctors behavior.

How would you react if your doctor told you to either stop drinking, or get out. Maybe to stop eating fatty foods or get out. If you were having sex outside a committed relationship, get out.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...tricians-want-you-to-vaccinate-your-kids.html

And then this: I always ask if the children are vaccinated, or if the parents intend to vaccinate once the child is born. If the answer is no, I politely and respectfully tell them we won’t be the right fit. We don’t accept patients whose parents won’t vaccinate them.

Lets say more doctors adopted this attitude.

If you are slightly overweight, get out.

If did anything that would have a negative effect on your health, get out.

Lets not turn this into a "but unvaccinated children pose a health risk to others." We all know that, there is no dispute there.

The parents made a life choice for their family, should the doctors have the right to refuse treatment due to life choices?

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Thread title changed to better reflect direction of thread.

 

[Newell Steamer]

If you don't follow the preventive measures suggested by your doctor,.. then why go to him/her??

What's the point of going to someone, for medical advice and guidance, if you won't listen to them?

 

[Jimzz]

TITLE: Pediatrician to parents, vaccinate or get out
The question I have is not about vaccines


Yea ok.


Also my drinking/eating would not create a danger to others at work/school/Hospital/etc... Having a preventable virus that is easily spreadable and deadly to many would be.

 

[Texashiker]

TITLE: Pediatrician to parents, vaccinate or get out
The question I have is not about vaccines

Yea ok.

Do not blame me because you jumped to conclusions without reading the opening post.

The title of the thread is the name of the linked article in the OP.

 

[K1052]

Slippery slope fallacy.

 

[OverVolt]

It really is just out of ignorance/lack of knowledge that people go crazy on vaccines. That being said I do tire of getting the flu shot every year. Looking forward to not having to get it with a new job. Its just the general 'sick' feeling that you get afterward. Not enough to call in sick over, but enough to make me have less energy.

Hep B, Meningitis, etc. vaccines. Fine. You gotta get them sometime or risk getting the disease.

They won't extend this to overweight patients etc. I mean you go to the doctor when you are sick, I just think they'd rather not have a case of meningitis come in.

 

[PokerGuy]

Doctors should be able to treat whomever they want, just like you as a patient can go see whoever you want.

That said, I don't think I'd want to see a doctor that is so set on "my way or the highway" that he'd kick out patients who didn't share every one of his views, so I'd be looking for another doctor (even though I'd definitely vaccinate my kids regardless).

 

[nehalem256]

TITLE: Pediatrician to parents, vaccinate or get out
The question I have is not about vaccines


Yea ok.


Also my drinking/eating would not create a danger to others at work/school/Hospital/etc... Having a preventable virus that is easily spreadable and deadly to many would be.

Drunk driving?

The possibility of being squished if a fat person falls on me?

 

[MovingTarget]

I have no problem with this. The "slippery slope" scenarios presented earlier are pretty far fetched. If a parent won't vaccinate a child without some valid medical reason as to why, then what is the point of a pediatrician giving any other advice? This pediatrician feels that there is no foundation for a doctor-patient relationship in that scenario. It isn't like this is an ER pediatrician making that kind of call.

 

[Texashiker]

It really is just out of ignorance/lack of knowledge that people go crazy on vaccines. That being said I do tire of getting the flu shot every year. Looking forward to not having to get it with a new job. Its just the general 'sick' feeling that you get afterward. Not enough to call in sick over, but enough to make me have less energy.

Hep B, Meningitis, etc. vaccines. Fine. You gotta get them sometime or risk getting the disease.

There is no argument here on those points.

Do you have any unhealthy habits? Maybe eat too much beef? Drink cokes? Have a drink of whiskey from time to time?

OverVolt - dr. I am not feeling good, I might have a drinking problem.

dr - you drink?

OverVolt - yes

dr - get out.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Interesting read, I wonder if this Doctor has had problems with un-vaccinated kids that turned out real sad and he/she doesn't want to go down that road again.

and Jenny McCarthy has changed or clarified her stance on vaccines, she simply thinks they need to be spaced out more rather than giving them a whole bunch in a short period of time. If anyone is looking for vaccine advice from Jenny.....

 

[OverVolt]

There is no argument here on those points.

Do you have any unhealthy habits? Maybe eat too much beef? Drink cokes? Have a drink of whiskey from time to time?

OverVolt - dr. I am not feeling good, I might have a drinking problem.

dr - you drink?

OverVolt - yes

dr - get out.

I suppose in this hypothetical scenario it would be more like

overvolt -yes

dr- lets put you in alcohol detox, get you on a b-vitamin drip, or try to deter you from alchohol with disulfiram

overvolt- no im just gonna go home and drink I don't believe in b-vitamins, drugs or AA

dr- get out

Is more like it. Like what was the point of even going? Thats what is going on with the vaccine kids.

Doc I have high BP but I refuse to take my BP meds. Doc I have diabetes but I refuse to regulate my insulin. Okay so what is the point of going to the doc? What do you think kids schedule regular doc appointments for? Vaccines that's what.

 

[senseamp]

Maybe they can take their kids to the holistic doctors that treated Steve Jobs' cancer.

 

[Texashiker]

I suppose in this hypothetical scenario it would be more like

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Your post sounds logical.

Maybe this should be about patients who refuse to follow doctors instructions.


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Thread title changed.

 

[Newell Steamer]

If you don't vaccinate and get turned away; the doctors are oppressive jerks.

If you don't stop drinking, are warned, and you get sick from liver failure - the insurance companies have every right to boot since you did this to yourself; this is perfectly OK.

Why would vaccinations get a pass on not listening to a doctor??

 

[Texashiker]

If you don't vaccinate and get turned away; the doctors are oppressive jerks.

Gabe, is that you?

 

[Oldgamer]

The question I have is not about vaccines, but about the doctors behavior.

How would you react if your doctor told you to either stop drinking, or get out. Maybe to stop eating fatty foods or get out. If you were having sex outside a committed relationship, get out.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...tricians-want-you-to-vaccinate-your-kids.html



Lets say more doctors adopted this attitude.

If you are slightly overweight, get out.

If did anything that would have a negative effect on your health, get out.

Lets not turn this into a "but unvaccinated children pose a health risk to others." We all know that, there is no dispute there.

The parents made a life choice for their family, should the doctors have the right to refuse treatment due to life choices?

When my kids were growing up, and we had to take them to see pediatrician (when they were sick) he had a whole separate area in the office where the sick kids had to go and wait with their parents. The reason for this, is he didn't want kids who were infectious infecting other children or people.

There is a rise in outbreak of diseases right now in this country for things that were once thought stamped out by vaccinations for things like measles, mumps, etc.

I think the doctors are concerned that people who don't vaccinate their kids put others safety at risk and they don't want them in their offices infecting others.

Anyway, I think it is ridiculous that so many people have chosen not to vaccinate their children. I don't think there is anything wrong with what this doctor is saying at all. By the way, office doctors do not have to treat any patient if they don't want to. The only ones not allowed by law to turn a sick patient in need of emergency services are ER's and certain hospitals.

Here is an NPR blog/article on the rise in outbreaks and a map showing them. http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/201...fueled-the-resurgence-of-preventable-diseases

 

[werepossum]

TITLE: Pediatrician to parents, vaccinate or get out
The question I have is not about vaccines


Yea ok.


Also my drinking/eating would not create a danger to others at work/school/Hospital/etc... Having a preventable virus that is easily spreadable and deadly to many would be.

This. If one has a heart attack in the waiting room, probably won't be a lot of collateral damage to those nearby. A pediatrician however sees kids too young to vaccinate for particular diseases; therefore the older, more mobile kids being unvaccinated present a danger to those too young to be vaccinated.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Gabe, is that you?

Feel like answering why patient A (a drinker refusing to stop) can rightly get booted from health coverage - but, patient B (a person who refuses to be vaccinated) should not be refused medical treatment?

 

[piasabird]

What if he told you drink coffee get out?
What if he told you drink alcohol get out?
What if he told you use tobacco get out?
What if he told you use MJ get out?
What if he told you Anorexia get out?

The purpose of a doctor should be to alleviate suffering not to treat only healthy patients.

A lot of disease comes from immigrants who bring it here and Plane traffic from travelers from foreign destinations, including people who go on vacation or bring disease back from cruise ships.

Maybe we should start quarantining cruise ships until everyone on the ship is 100% healthy. Why should we let all those people with a roto-virus expose everyone in their home town to their sickness???

 

[Texashiker]

Feel like answering why patient A (a drinker refusing to stop) can rightly get booted from health coverage - but, patient B (a person who refuses to be vaccinated) should not be refused medical treatment?

I do not have an answer.

 

[senseamp]

What if he told you drink coffee get out?
What if he told you drink alcohol get out?
What if he told you use tobacco get out?
What if he told you use MJ get out?
What if he told you Anorexia get out?

The purpose of a doctor should be to alleviate suffering not to treat only healthy patients.

So if a doctor told you that, what would you do? That's right, get out.

 

[kage69]

Didn't we have a bunch of people here defending the Dr. who asked patients who voted for Obama to go elsewhere?


I think a Doc telling you to scram over who you voted for, what you drink, if you have anorexia, whatever, is entirely inappropriate and unprofessional. Fuck that.

A Doc telling those who endanger other patients with communicable diseases by refusing to get vaccines is simply doing his job in a way that saves everyone a lot of time and hassle. In the age of SARs, swineflu, or hell even just pertusis, I think it's sound thinking and medically justifiable. How much you weight, what you drink, if you vote for a particular party...NONE of those are contagious life threatening conditions. Seems like there is a pretty simple distinction here that applies to this story quite well.

Preventable diseases are the leading killer of humans, aren't they? Sounds like pediatricians are getting tired of watching kids die and/or making other kids die on account of some parents being idiots. Good for them.



Heh. Just got a call from the wife heading home from our little one's appointment for the 18month rounds of shots. How fitting. Little guy was a champ too, no screaming just a few grumbles and frowns!

 

[bignateyk]

I'll bet if someone wanted an abortion and the doctor refused to treat them you'd be singing a different tune

 

[Incorruptible]

A doctor can treat whoever they want and the same way a patient can see the doctor they want.