I'm Canadian, not American.Originally posted by: Vegitto
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Ok. The last thing you are going to be seeing on LSD is the "real world". The only thing you are going to see is what's in your own head. You might experience some moments where you feel like you are in a dream, ie. hallucinating, but as far as "the man" showing you what he wants you to see... uh, that's all in your head. If you think it is some profound religious experience, you're wrong.Originally posted by: Vegitto
*snip*
Heh, I've done weed, shrooms and coke, but in a little while I want to try some salvia, and after that (first I'll see how I like the salvia) I want to try LSD. It's personal, but I'm actually kinda interested in what the world REALLY looks like. In other words, I want to see beyond what 'the man' (heh) wants me to see. If you really want to 'live' and experience the world, OP, I suggest you try some mushrooms first. Try to get your hands om some psilocybe cubensis mushrooms. For a first timer, eat ~20 grams fresh, or 1/4 of that if they're dried. It tastes like ******, but I recommend washing it away with some orange juice (this kickstarts the trip, you'll be on your way in under 10 minutes). Find a nice chair outside, in the sun and watch the REAL WORLD unfold.
Peace out.
Secondly, about the shrooms... you're telling someone to eat ~20 grams for their first time, or about 5 if they are dried. Dude, back in the day when I used to put all that ****** into my body, the most shrooms I ever did at once was 2.5 grams and I was convinced that aliens were in the city watching our every move and my buddy's face started melting into the wall. Why someone would want to get any more wasted than that is beyond me! I would tell a beginner to have a gram, tops... and if they weren't in a comfortable, locked down environment with close friends that they could trust, I wouldn't recommend trying shrooms or LSD at all.
That "real world" nonsense is funky, dude. There's nothing real about getting wasted. The whole idea is disconnecting yourself from reality, not trying to get a better grasp of it.
Well, what kind of shrooms did you take? There's a lot of different kinds, and the kind I was talking about is the only legal kind over here, you have to eat a lot.
SO PAY ATTENTION POTENTIAL SHROOMIE, THE SHROOMS IN AMERICA ARE A LOT STRONGER (APPARENTLY) THAN THE ONES I'M USED TO. ASK MELTDOWN75 FOR ADVICE.
And I agree it's not really the 'real world', but I can't really explain what I mean. It's more like 'there's more to this world than you can see with the bare eye'. Sometimes you need a telescope, microscope or just someone who's more knowledgeable than you are, and sometimes you have to use something else. Also, if it's not real, how come EVERY person I know that has done LSD, has seen faces and eyes everywhere at one point? It's in practically every trip report (check erowid.org), so there must be something that connects us all.
One small thing: I'm not disconnected from reality when I'm high, stoned or shroomed up, are you? You're just perceiving reality in a different way. How do YOU know that everyone around you sees everything the same way you do? Maybe we all see something else, but just call it the same. It's not WHAT you see, it's what you see IN IT. In other words, reality is not absolute, it depends on who's watching.
EDIT: About the motivation part, this also highly depends on the person. I know that I will probably smoke weed for the rest of my life, but I also know that if I keep living in this neighborhood and DON'T study like everyone else that lives here, I won't amount to anything. Hence me only smoking up when there's nothing important happening the next few days. For example, I've got the weekend off, and monday, too. I smoked up yesterday at a party (I had today off, too), and I'll probably to it today and tomorrow, too. But I KNOW that that'll be the last time until at least next friday. It's like the beer commercials say..
Originally posted by: meltdown75
I'm Canadian, not American.
The reason you can't explain what you really mean is that it's all just a waste of time. There is no meaning to it. It's all nonsense. That's the world of drugs in a nutshell.
Originally posted by: potato28
Nah. Look at the Dutch. They smoke pot most of their lives and are ok.
Originally posted by: meltdown75
I'm Canadian, not American.
The reason you can't explain what you really mean is that it's all just a waste of time. There is no meaning to it. It's all nonsense. That's the world of drugs in a nutshell.
.Originally posted by: archcommus
So I have a few friends that since college have begun using marijuana sort of frequently. Definitely not daily, but definitely every weekend, often in conjunction with drinking. Some of them have been doing this for two to three years and don't plan to stop any time soon. To me, they all seem fine, normal, and not addicted. I did some research and the harms seem to be almost non-existent. But then I read other sites that seem pretty legit, such as .gov sites, and they consistently talk about the memory, social, depression, cognitive, and other mental/health effects that they seem to say WILL ensure from using marijuana.
So what websites are lying here, and why are they? Do I have any need to be concerned for these friends or to try to influence them to stop in the slightest?
Originally posted by: meltdown75
I'm Canadian, not American.Originally posted by: Vegitto
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Ok. The last thing you are going to be seeing on LSD is the "real world". The only thing you are going to see is what's in your own head. You might experience some moments where you feel like you are in a dream, ie. hallucinating, but as far as "the man" showing you what he wants you to see... uh, that's all in your head. If you think it is some profound religious experience, you're wrong.Originally posted by: Vegitto
*snip*
Heh, I've done weed, shrooms and coke, but in a little while I want to try some salvia, and after that (first I'll see how I like the salvia) I want to try LSD. It's personal, but I'm actually kinda interested in what the world REALLY looks like. In other words, I want to see beyond what 'the man' (heh) wants me to see. If you really want to 'live' and experience the world, OP, I suggest you try some mushrooms first. Try to get your hands om some psilocybe cubensis mushrooms. For a first timer, eat ~20 grams fresh, or 1/4 of that if they're dried. It tastes like ******, but I recommend washing it away with some orange juice (this kickstarts the trip, you'll be on your way in under 10 minutes). Find a nice chair outside, in the sun and watch the REAL WORLD unfold.
Peace out.
Secondly, about the shrooms... you're telling someone to eat ~20 grams for their first time, or about 5 if they are dried. Dude, back in the day when I used to put all that ****** into my body, the most shrooms I ever did at once was 2.5 grams and I was convinced that aliens were in the city watching our every move and my buddy's face started melting into the wall. Why someone would want to get any more wasted than that is beyond me! I would tell a beginner to have a gram, tops... and if they weren't in a comfortable, locked down environment with close friends that they could trust, I wouldn't recommend trying shrooms or LSD at all.
That "real world" nonsense is funky, dude. There's nothing real about getting wasted. The whole idea is disconnecting yourself from reality, not trying to get a better grasp of it.
Well, what kind of shrooms did you take? There's a lot of different kinds, and the kind I was talking about is the only legal kind over here, you have to eat a lot.
SO PAY ATTENTION POTENTIAL SHROOMIE, THE SHROOMS IN AMERICA ARE A LOT STRONGER (APPARENTLY) THAN THE ONES I'M USED TO. ASK MELTDOWN75 FOR ADVICE.
And I agree it's not really the 'real world', but I can't really explain what I mean. It's more like 'there's more to this world than you can see with the bare eye'. Sometimes you need a telescope, microscope or just someone who's more knowledgeable than you are, and sometimes you have to use something else. Also, if it's not real, how come EVERY person I know that has done LSD, has seen faces and eyes everywhere at one point? It's in practically every trip report (check erowid.org), so there must be something that connects us all.
One small thing: I'm not disconnected from reality when I'm high, stoned or shroomed up, are you? You're just perceiving reality in a different way. How do YOU know that everyone around you sees everything the same way you do? Maybe we all see something else, but just call it the same. It's not WHAT you see, it's what you see IN IT. In other words, reality is not absolute, it depends on who's watching.
EDIT: About the motivation part, this also highly depends on the person. I know that I will probably smoke weed for the rest of my life, but I also know that if I keep living in this neighborhood and DON'T study like everyone else that lives here, I won't amount to anything. Hence me only smoking up when there's nothing important happening the next few days. For example, I've got the weekend off, and monday, too. I smoked up yesterday at a party (I had today off, too), and I'll probably to it today and tomorrow, too. But I KNOW that that'll be the last time until at least next friday. It's like the beer commercials say..
The reason you can't explain what you really mean is that it's all just a waste of time. There is no meaning to it. It's all nonsense. That's the world of drugs in a nutshell.
Actually, it's your opinion - and a biased one, nothing more.Originally posted by: Vegitto
Originally posted by: meltdown75
I'm Canadian, not American.Originally posted by: Vegitto
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Ok. The last thing you are going to be seeing on LSD is the "real world". The only thing you are going to see is what's in your own head. You might experience some moments where you feel like you are in a dream, ie. hallucinating, but as far as "the man" showing you what he wants you to see... uh, that's all in your head. If you think it is some profound religious experience, you're wrong.Originally posted by: Vegitto
*snip*
Heh, I've done weed, shrooms and coke, but in a little while I want to try some salvia, and after that (first I'll see how I like the salvia) I want to try LSD. It's personal, but I'm actually kinda interested in what the world REALLY looks like. In other words, I want to see beyond what 'the man' (heh) wants me to see. If you really want to 'live' and experience the world, OP, I suggest you try some mushrooms first. Try to get your hands om some psilocybe cubensis mushrooms. For a first timer, eat ~20 grams fresh, or 1/4 of that if they're dried. It tastes like ******, but I recommend washing it away with some orange juice (this kickstarts the trip, you'll be on your way in under 10 minutes). Find a nice chair outside, in the sun and watch the REAL WORLD unfold.
Peace out.
Secondly, about the shrooms... you're telling someone to eat ~20 grams for their first time, or about 5 if they are dried. Dude, back in the day when I used to put all that ****** into my body, the most shrooms I ever did at once was 2.5 grams and I was convinced that aliens were in the city watching our every move and my buddy's face started melting into the wall. Why someone would want to get any more wasted than that is beyond me! I would tell a beginner to have a gram, tops... and if they weren't in a comfortable, locked down environment with close friends that they could trust, I wouldn't recommend trying shrooms or LSD at all.
That "real world" nonsense is funky, dude. There's nothing real about getting wasted. The whole idea is disconnecting yourself from reality, not trying to get a better grasp of it.
Well, what kind of shrooms did you take? There's a lot of different kinds, and the kind I was talking about is the only legal kind over here, you have to eat a lot.
SO PAY ATTENTION POTENTIAL SHROOMIE, THE SHROOMS IN AMERICA ARE A LOT STRONGER (APPARENTLY) THAN THE ONES I'M USED TO. ASK MELTDOWN75 FOR ADVICE.
And I agree it's not really the 'real world', but I can't really explain what I mean. It's more like 'there's more to this world than you can see with the bare eye'. Sometimes you need a telescope, microscope or just someone who's more knowledgeable than you are, and sometimes you have to use something else. Also, if it's not real, how come EVERY person I know that has done LSD, has seen faces and eyes everywhere at one point? It's in practically every trip report (check erowid.org), so there must be something that connects us all.
One small thing: I'm not disconnected from reality when I'm high, stoned or shroomed up, are you? You're just perceiving reality in a different way. How do YOU know that everyone around you sees everything the same way you do? Maybe we all see something else, but just call it the same. It's not WHAT you see, it's what you see IN IT. In other words, reality is not absolute, it depends on who's watching.
EDIT: About the motivation part, this also highly depends on the person. I know that I will probably smoke weed for the rest of my life, but I also know that if I keep living in this neighborhood and DON'T study like everyone else that lives here, I won't amount to anything. Hence me only smoking up when there's nothing important happening the next few days. For example, I've got the weekend off, and monday, too. I smoked up yesterday at a party (I had today off, too), and I'll probably to it today and tomorrow, too. But I KNOW that that'll be the last time until at least next friday. It's like the beer commercials say..
The reason you can't explain what you really mean is that it's all just a waste of time. There is no meaning to it. It's all nonsense. That's the world of drugs in a nutshell.
For some, it's just a waste of time. For others, it's a tool to gain more insight in how the world works. Whether you acknowledge this or not, it remains a fact.
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: Whisper
As far as I know and have read, there are very few--if any at all--negative consequences to "recreational" marijuana use. The only long-term side-effects I've read about pertain to memory and executive functioning disturbances, and those results a) are inconsistent, at best, across studies, and b) generally follow years of heavy (multiple times per day) use.
I myself have never smoked it, but some of the most intelligent and high-functioning individuals I know do.
i keep seeing people post things like this. do you think they would be the same intelligence, higher or lower if they quit smoking? i think that motivated, intelligent and stable people will be stable anyway, even if they toke up after work every night. dumber people would toke up before work, during work or just skip work (or work at craptastic jobs) in order to smoke more. smart pot smokers may seem smarter because they realize when not to smoke. my dad is a lifer, he ran a company that set up pretty much all the concerts here in the phoenix metro area for about 30 years. 97% of the crew were druggies and potheads (not me, i didnt want to deal with work if i was smoking) along with him. the company was very successful, but that really isnt a tout for smoking pot, its a tout for my dads business sense along with his ability to motivate 300 guys to set up and tear down a stage in a day.
I personally don't think that marijuana itself is going to affect your intelligence one way or another. As you've mentioned, the key isn't whether or not marijuana (or any other substance, many of which would, in fact, lead to long-term disturbances in cognitive functioning) is used , but instead how it's used.
it does affect a lot of peoples intelligence, just not directly. most people get lazy when they smoke, and that laziness lacks motivation. if you start smoking at a time in your life where you are still forming your own motivation/ procrastination skillz, you will not be as prepared for life as someone that stays on task and learns their ******. i have some friends from HS (like i keep mentioning) that were pretty smart, but after sitting around for 4 years in high school smoking instead of studying cant get a job better than fry cook or working at a car wash because they just didnt apply themselves and get the general knowledge needed to get them into higher education or a job that would pay them well. i have a lot of cons for pot, but most are social/ mental over physical. except for the whole doctor telling my dad he will die if he doesnt stop smoking it. im sure thats just him tho, it cant apply to any other people that smoked for 37 years.
Originally posted by: archcommus
But then I read other sites that seem pretty legit, such as .gov sites,
Originally posted by: archcommus
To me, they all seem fine, normal, and not addicted.
I did some research and the harms seem to be almost non-existent. But then I read other sites that seem pretty legit, such as .gov sites, and they consistently talk about the memory, social, depression, cognitive, and other mental/health effects that they seem to say WILL ensure from using marijuana.
Do I have any need to be concerned for these friends or to try to influence them to stop in the slightest?
Originally posted by: NatePo717
All drugs are bad.
To some, it is an enabler. To others, it's a method of exploration. Yet others just find it a good old time. It all comes down to the same thing - drugs allow you to perceive the world and yourself in a different way (whether visually or mentally). From alcohol to weed to cocaine to LSD. And just like everything else that is addictive in life, there are always those that will not be able to control themselves. These people provide the common stereotype that the responsible ones constantly fight to disprove since humans tend to remember the negative far better than the positive.
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: NatePo717
I had a friend who smoked pot. After about two years he moved over to other stuff with his last being Heroin. He was caught by the police and sent to rehab. Was in rehab for about a year. Seven months ago he died from an OD. All drugs are bad. Those who say pot isn't bad are morons. Those who use pot are morons. It's a gateway drug and anyone who uses it gets no respect from me.
LOL, better throw out those beers and sleeping pills mate!
Originally posted by: NatePo717
All drugs are bad.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Are you one of those guys who smokes two joints before he smokes two joints then smokes two more?Originally posted by: TheGizmo
hey hey hey, smoke weed, everyday, well thats what i say anyway
edit: you should not be concerned. stop worrying/getting in their business. if you're too square to partake, thats cool. but don't hurt people for no reason opiates and coke/crack are a whole nother story tho. that stuff is bad tsk tsk
While pot is not as harmful it really doesn't do anything for you. Being clear headed is far from being square.