Should I buy an M4?

[EightySix Four]

You seem to forget that this sort of thing shouldn't go wrong if it was designed proper.

Parts break/fail on every car. It happens - seemingly disproportionately to you. What you did is not a fix though, just so we're clear, it's a patch that could likely leave you with more damage in the future. It's not hard to figure out.

Cause you accept things that should never be happening to begin with. I know the feeling. Life of a euro car enthusiast. I was there, don't worry.

I'm a car enthusiast in general. I've had Corvettes and M3s and CTS-Vs and other toys for sure. I have minimal problems with the cars I have owned.

Come back in 5-10 years and tell me about your reliability.

My first E90 is still owned by my previous roommate, it's made it well over 5 already. Still in good shape. Mostly normal maintenance.

Even then, I will take your words with a grain of salt as you are already accept things that ARE, but SHOULDN'T be.

All is dandy

Just because I'm curious, is English your first language?

 

[RichUK]

Wow

 

[Nebor]

You really are one of the most joyless, shit-stirring trolls I have ever encountered in more than 20 years on the Internet. All you seem to do, regardless of topic, is talk trash. God help the people who have to live and work with you . . .

This is the same guy who trolls the L&R forum with stories of virgin love. He's worthless.

 

[smackababy]

You do own a BWM, don't you?

Do you? Have you ever?

Oh, that's right, you've worked on them. I've worked on computers and clearly Windows is terrible because the majority of people using it are stupid. That's how it works right?

 

[EightySix Four]

Oh come on guys, this is fun

 

[HybridSquirrel]

Update:

Placed our order back in March. Order has still not been confirmed by BMW. At this point, we won't make it in time for our ED in July. Probably cancelling the order and waiting until M2.

 

[ajskydiver]

Update:

Placed our order back in March. Order has still not been confirmed by BMW. At this point, we won't make it in time for our ED in July. Probably cancelling the order and waiting until M2.

Your dealer should have told you whether or not they had an allocation when you placed your order.

I made a PCD order in mid-March and picked up in mid-May a few years ago. The car was complete in about a week and the rest of the time it was waiting at port in GER and transit time to states.

For ED, you have plenty of time if you need it by July.

How do you not know about how the allocations work if you placed your order already? Normally, dealers tell you how the system works when you order the car.

You either didn't order anything or you went to the absolute worst BMW dealership in the world.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

This, you get your allocation number in like a week usually. BMW ED is amazingly well run, there is no "wait for BMW to accept the order delay" like you get with ordering almost any other car from the factory

 

[Railgun]

Your dealer should have told you whether or not they had an allocation when you placed your order.

Yes and no. If for some reason it's anything like the current issue with M4 orders, you can place an order, but because of the demand (and a possible supply issue) you're not going to get anything anytime soon. Case in point, I ordered an M4 mid March, was originally given a late May delivery. It's now a 2016 order set for a Sep production date.

 

[Vdubchaos]

Yes and no. If for some reason it's anything like the current issue with M4 orders, you can place an order, but because of the demand (and a possible supply issue) you're not going to get anything anytime soon. Case in point, I ordered an M4 mid March, was originally given a late May delivery. It's now a 2016 order set for a Sep production date.

....and you still want this car and accept this treatment.

 

[nakedfrog]

I see you guys still haven't learned to ignore vdubchaos' comments on anything yet...

ftfy

Yeah, I've mostly been lurking here and there these days, but this much is evident even to me. This thread illustrates the point pretty well, I think.

 

[Nebor]

....and you still want this car and accept this treatment.

People willing to pay more, wait longer for high quality products! More on the News at 10!

 

[Vdubchaos]

People willing to pay more, wait longer for high quality products! More on the News at 10!

No problem with waiting any amount of time, but I would expect honesty.

Let me take that back, this is a dealer we are talking about.

I would expect delivery date on paper upon purchase!

 

[Railgun]

....and you still want this car and accept this treatment.

Bah...no mistreatment or whatnot from my perspective. In the case of the OP, I can say that not all dealerships are created equal. In my case, the dealership is a direct arm of BMW, not a franchisee.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

This, you get your allocation number in like a week usually. BMW ED is amazingly well run, there is no "wait for BMW to accept the order delay" like you get with ordering almost any other car from the factory

only 1 BMW dealer in the entire state. I definitely placed an order, I have an order number and build information they submitted to BMW. But the dealer says they don't have the allocation or production number yet which means no car has entered production yet and the cutoff time is supposedly 2 months, which was last week. I also don't have a confirmed delivery date at the Welt yet.

 

[SSSnail]

only 1 BMW dealer in the entire state. I definitely placed an order, I have an order number and build information they submitted to BMW. But the dealer says they don't have the allocation or production number yet which means no car has entered production yet and the cutoff time is supposedly 2 months, which was last week. I also don't have a confirmed delivery date at the Welt yet.

After I bought my X1, I told the sales manager I might be interested in the new M2 whenever it comes out. He said to give him at least 8 months before I actually want to buy to set up allocation. This is from a high volume BMW dealer.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

After I bought my X1, I told the sales manager I might be interested in the new M2 whenever it comes out. He said to give him at least 8 months before I actually want to buy to set up allocation. This is from a high volume BMW dealer.

for an M car they said 6 months. an M235i is not an "M" car. I called the ED hotline and they said they don't have a production number and that production had not been allocated to my dealer yet. They don't have an ETA.

I'll probably just cancel the order and hold out for the M2.

 

[SSSnail]

for an M car they said 6 months. an M235i is not an "M" car. I called the ED hotline and they said they don't have a production number and that production had not been allocated to my dealer yet. They don't have an ETA.

I'll probably just cancel the order and hold out for the M2.

I thought we were taking about the M2 this whole time? Did you also factor in the most likely scenario of the M2 going for at least $10-15K above MSRP due to demands?

 

[HybridSquirrel]

I thought we were taking about the M2 this whole time? Did you also factor in the most likely scenario of the M2 going for at least $10-15K above MSRP due to demands?

I ordered an M235i back in March, called the dealer yesterday to cancel and they told me it was in production but couldn't give me any more details. I called the ED team and they said I don't have a confirmed date, which would indicate the car is not in production.

I wouldn't get an M2 on release, i'd wait a bit.

 

[sgrinavi]

I thought we were taking about the M2 this whole time? Did you also factor in the most likely scenario of the M2 going for at least $10-15K above MSRP due to demands?

You think?

Word has it that the M2 is not going to be a ultra low production vehicle like the 1M. You should be able to order one at MSRP without too much hunting around.

 

[Railgun]

No it won't. I've never seen any BMW go over MSRP like that. Those dealerships, like the one in Cali that marked up $40k can die a slow death. They're just pricing themselves out of the market.

You'll find one at MSRP, and those that do ED will get better deals.

 

[Phanuel]

1Ms definitely went over MSRP by at least 10-15K.

 

[sgrinavi]

1Ms definitely went over MSRP by at least 10-15K.

Sure, but that was a Frankencar - Assembled from parts by the engineers because they could - it was super low production with a cult following. The M2 is going to be a pretty standard production vehicle. More like the M4.

 

[monkeydelmagico]

Sure, but that was a Frankencar - Assembled from parts by the engineers because they could - it was super low production with a cult following. The M2 is going to be a pretty standard production vehicle. More like the M4.

Won't keep dealers from trying. Any vehicle in demand is fodder for dealer mark ups

 

[Phanuel]

Sure, but that was a Frankencar - Assembled from parts by the engineers because they could - it was super low production with a cult following. The M2 is going to be a pretty standard production vehicle. More like the M4.

But expect mark ups out the gate for the first few months.

And he was just blanketing saying BMW has never had mark ups, which they most certainly have had in the past on many vehicles that were limited production.