Should I buy Nintendo Switch? This would be my first console.

Zeze

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I've been a long time PC gamer, but Switch particularly intrigues me due to several things:
  • As I'm getting older, I just wanna lounge and play a game on my big screen rather than hunched over a PC monitor.
  • In a way, I do want to have limited choices. I don't want to hassle with latest GPUs, best fps settings, etc. I just want to pick up a controller and play games.
  • But this isn't about PC vs Switch, I just interested in getting a switch.
  • Q1: That Zelda's amazing reviews are grabbing me. But what else is in the Switch game line up? There seems to be minimal stuff, aside from remakes or ports.
  • So I can play the game on the portable mode without losing performance? How does this work?
  • If I buy Switch, what are the casual games I can play with my wife with those smaller split controls? I plain don't know other casual games or see a killer app like Wii's Wii Sports.
 

tornadog

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Don't get it just yet. There is nothing on it other than Zelda. And since you are a PC gamer Zelda will be very underwhelming compared to the open world games we have been treated to on the pc

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MetalMat

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Just wait. Right now it is just a Zelda BOTW playing machine. See what comes out a few months from now and how people feels about the switch before you plunk down 400+ bucks


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Zeze

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Can you guys answer this Q?
  • So I can play the game on the portable mode without losing performance? How does this work?

So most big titles (barring casual small games or indie titles) will be all configured to magically run perfectly at a reduced performance on mobile mode? Or there's no performance diff between the two- all the guts are housed inside the same module?

I don't know why this big and important info is so hard to find.
 

zerocool84

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Can you guys answer this Q?
  • So I can play the game on the portable mode without losing performance? How does this work?

So most big titles (barring casual small games or indie titles) will be all configured to magically run perfectly at a reduced performance on mobile mode? Or there's no performance diff between the two- all the guts are housed inside the same module?

I don't know why this big and important info is so hard to find.
Yes they down clock the system performance to save battery and with hands they will not look as good in mobile mode as opposed to TV mode which should run at higher resolution. Like Zelda or Mario Kart, they run at a higher resolution in docked TV mode and lower resolution in handheld mode. Some games though will run the same no matter what, depends on how intensive the game is. There won't be a performance difference or in some cases better performance in handheld mode since it only has to run at a low 720p as opposed to higher TV resolution.
 

Zeze

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1. In another words, the dock doesn't house any performance-related hardware. Switch is essentially is a self-contained tablet. Right?

2. Is docking / undocking instantaneous during play or do you have to turn the system off or there's a lead time or sort/
 

zerocool84

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In another words, the dock doesn't house any performance-related hardware. Switch is essentially is a self-contained tablet. Right?
Yea the dock just provides electrical power and TV out, no performance stuff in there. It runs at higher clocks when docked since its being fed constant power instead of running off the battery.
 

nurturedhate

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Yea, unless you really want Zelda I'd hold off on getting a switch at this moment. That's not to say don't get one as I feel a Nintendo console is a great accompaniment to a gaming PC. If you have interest in its portable capabilities then that is a plus as well. Nintendo first party titles are basically always fantastic. The big issue with the Switch atm is the lack of games for it. As for the person saying this Zelda pales in comparison to open world pc games, that is simply wrong. The game is amazing. Simply amazing.

If portability isn't for you and you don't care about Mario then go buy a ps4 pro and grab Horizon Zero Dawn and Uncharted 4.
 

SteveGrabowski

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The Switch runs Zelda at 1600x900 in docked mode and 1280x720 in handheld mode. I wouldn't touch the Switch since we have no idea if it's going to be any good right now with only one legit game on it.

I'd personally recommend the PS4 if you're looking for a console to just put on an HDTV since the game selection is pretty strong. PlayStation has some great exclusive series such as The Last of Us, Uncharted, God of War, and Horizon Zero Dawn, and then Days Gone looks like it has the potential to be another based on gameplay we have seen at E3. Then Bloodborne is the best game I have played since Skyrim in 2011, and you'll be able to play Red Dead Redemption 2 on it, hopefully by the Christmas season this year.

The Sony IP appeals a lot more to me than Nintendo's. But if you're into fighting games it might be worth going Nintendo for the Smash Bros games. I don't know of anything as good as Smash Bros in that category of games on any of the other consoles. At least on modern consoles. Or if you're into online shooters the Splatoon series looks pretty well made (I don't like online shooters so I haven't played it). The Donkey Kong Country series definitely looks awesome.

I'm not sure I'd buy a console at the beginning of its generation though. Because you don't know how good it's going to be until you see the games. The software is what makes these systems and it always has.
 

cmdrdredd

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The Switch runs Zelda at 1600x900 in docked mode and 1280x720 in handheld mode. I wouldn't touch the Switch since we have no idea if it's going to be any good right now with only one legit game on it.

I'd personally recommend the PS4 if you're looking for a console to just put on an HDTV since the game selection is pretty strong. PlayStation has some great exclusive series such as The Last of Us, Uncharted, God of War, and Horizon Zero Dawn, and then Days Gone looks like it has the potential to be another based on gameplay we have seen at E3. Then Bloodborne is the best game I have played since Skyrim in 2011, and you'll be able to play Red Dead Redemption 2 on it, hopefully by the Christmas season this year.

The Sony IP appeals a lot more to me than Nintendo's. But if you're into fighting games it might be worth going Nintendo for the Smash Bros games. I don't know of anything as good as Smash Bros in that category of games on any of the other consoles. At least on modern consoles. Or if you're into online shooters the Splatoon series looks pretty well made (I don't like online shooters so I haven't played it). The Donkey Kong Country series definitely looks awesome.

I'm not sure I'd buy a console at the beginning of its generation though. Because you don't know how good it's going to be until you see the games. The software is what makes these systems and it always has.

Fighting game and you mention Smash Bros? That's a brawler really...a real fighting game is like Street Fighter 4 and 5 and Killer Instinct and Mortal Kombat.
 

zerocool84

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Fighting game and you mention Smash Bros? That's a brawler really...a real fighting game is like Street Fighter 4 and 5 and Killer Instinct and Mortal Kombat.
Haha like Nintendo charging $50 for a port of an Xbox 360 remaster of a 25yr old game.
 

Fallen Kell

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Yes they down clock the system performance to save battery and with hands they will not look as good in mobile mode as opposed to TV mode which should run at higher resolution. Like Zelda or Mario Kart, they run at a higher resolution in docked TV mode and lower resolution in handheld mode. Some games though will run the same no matter what, depends on how intensive the game is. There won't be a performance difference or in some cases better performance in handheld mode since it only has to run at a low 720p as opposed to higher TV resolution.
The "higher TV resolution" is only 900p (at least with Zelda). Some games are suppose to be capable of being 1080p, but given the known limitations of the GPU in the Switch, don't expect a AAA title from even the PS3 era to be running at 1080p on the Switch.
 

Zenoth

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Yes, but not now.

For the moment Zelda has FPS slow down issues anyway on both systems (supposedly it's fine, however, when playing the Switch version under portable mode; but has issues when docked in 900p), and we don't know when (or if) they'll ever fix that (I'm sure they'll try though). Additionally, the Wii U version doesn't even have any features for the Wii U's GamePad, and considering that the game had been originally designed for the Wii U makes completely no sense (they actually removed those features at some point; forget about looking at the Hyrule map on the GamePad, or sorting out your inventory from it, it's all gone). It's the major reason why I'm avoiding that version even though I would have saved money (also I can't stand 720p on a native 1080p monitor, but that's subjective preference). The Switch's JoyCons when used as the 'controller' by using the grip feel very weird, it's too small for many, the buttons are weirdly-placed for me (I tried it at my local store, and I can confirm it's not comfortable nor 'natural' for me), and the grip is of cheap build quality. In fact, a lot of the design is cheap. The Docking design was also very badly thought as to let the Switch screen scratching issue happen to 'convince' us to buy a separate screen protector (very crass business tactic there). Ultimately, the Switch at the moment is only decent under portable mode. It is considered a "hybrid" system, but honestly Nintendo's latest console is nothing more than a fancy portable system that you happen to be able to connect to a TV / monitor to play on a bigger screen when you feel like it. The 'typical home console' design is definitely a thing of a past from Nintendo now (it's now the clear android / tablet / portable path).

I, for one, have never really been interested by the Switch itself as a console. It's the Switch version of Zelda that I want. I really don't want the Wii U version. And since I didn't want to wait a year or more to play that game I cracked and ordered the stuff (Switch, Zelda, Pro Controller, screen protector) and now I'm just waiting for my cheap, barely-"interesting" Switch console with the only thing I truly want, namely Zelda.

If you can wait, then I'd highly recommend the following (in my opinion of course):

1) Wait until the price drops, that in my opinion should be the one and main thing that most people should do. It might already cost something like $50 less by the Holiday season (or boxing day, etc).
2) Or wait longer, maybe along the lines of 2 or 3 years and IF this current iteration of the console was 'good enough' for Nintendo then maybe they'll make a revised version perhaps with better Docking design, or at least they'll include the screen protector in their future bundles... or they'll lower the price of the one they're currently selling separately (but none of that is guaranteed to happen to start with, so waiting for any of that could be a gamble and a waste of time too).
3) You don't have a Wii U, but I'd still recommend that you get the Wii U version anyway (despite the fact that I wouldn't do it myself, but that's irrelevant when looking at the situation objectively). So, if you happen to find a working and very cheap used Wii U... then just buy Zelda for that one instead, don't think about the fact that Nintendo deliberately removed features for the GamePad that they had actually shown to the public a couple of months ago, and wait at least a year (or most likely more than that) for the Switch if at that point there's enough games you want to play for it outside of Zelda.

This year, the only games other than Breath of the Wild that I could see myself playing on the Switch (at least according to the games that have been confirmed so far... there may be more reveals in the coming months) are Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (confirmed for April 28th), Sonic Mania (still not sure about that one, the last Sonic game I actually liked was the original Sonic Adventure on the Dreamcast), Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (if it does make it this year which actually would surprise me, it's been announced for this year but I'm really not expecting it until 2018), Yooka-Laylee (made by the very same Rare team that brought us Banjo-Kazooie, and it's gonna come out 'sometime this year' for the Switch), and Super Mario Odyssey (Q4 2017... I'm expecting late November or early December release). When I put all those games' titles next to each other it actually looks like a decent list (for myself anyway), but none of that will be 'complete' until the holidays when finally Mario comes out. Then who knows what's gonna happen for it in 2018. To be honest there would have been no good reasons for Nintendo to even release the Switch until holidays of this year had it not been for the fact that Zelda was finally ready to come out by now.

So yeah... no, don't buy a Switch right now if you want my two cents (but do buy it later on if there's enough games).
 
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me7

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The Switch is not a good replacement for a PC. I bought one, but mainly for Nintendo's first party titles. I will continue to play multiplatform titles on my PC.

Your best shot might be the upcoming Microsoft Scorpio. Stay away from PS4 if you want a console to replace your PC.
 

cmdrdredd

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The Switch is not a good replacement for a PC. I bought one, but mainly for Nintendo's first party titles. I will continue to play multiplatform titles on my PC.

Your best shot might be the upcoming Microsoft Scorpio. Stay away from PS4 if you want a console to replace your PC.

Uh...who wants to replace?

As I read it the OP was just looking for something different for gaming and was intrigued by the switch. Nothing more
 

Craig234

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Steam is trying to sell you on 'couch gaming' using their controller and 'link' device.
 

desura

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Wait for the second gen refresh in 1.5 years time. This one from early reviews is half baked.
 
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Sonikku

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Wait for the second gen refresh in 1.5 years time. This one from early reviews is half baked.
This is what I am doing. Nintendo done f$cked up the execution of this thing. The cheap junky dock, the plastic screen that didn't use glass that scratches super easily, the awkward placement of a lot of the ports, "friend" codes are back, match making through your cell phone, lots of features being haphazardly patched in like online store, joy cons losing connection etc. Just lots and lots of issues. If the 3DS is any indication, Nintendo will be whipping out a new model every other year or so so I'm waiting this one out.

I'm glad I got a Wii U now in hindsight, though it is a sore spot for me that the tablet does nothing but flash the "press to game on tablet" message and drain the battery. Even if I play Zelda with the Wii U Pro controller and turn off the tablets display it just turns back on the moment I take an action. Why make it impossible to turn off the tablet controller during gameplay if the functionality it had for BoTW was just going to be gutted anyway? GDI Nintendo. You make me love you just enough to make all your quirks tolerable.
 

SteveGrabowski

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Fighting game and you mention Smash Bros? That's a brawler really...a real fighting game is like Street Fighter 4 and 5 and Killer Instinct and Mortal Kombat.

Sorry, I haven't been into the genre since the SF II / MK II // MK 3 days.
 

Bubblehappy

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If you want to get into console gaming, get yourself a XBO or PS4, depending on what you like to play and who your friends are. I wouldn't buy a Switch as my first console. Heck, I wouldn't buy one period. Nintendo had their day, but they've completely blown it.
 

me7

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This is what I am doing. Nintendo done f$cked up the execution of this thing. The cheap junky dock, the plastic screen that didn't use glass that scratches super easily, the awkward placement of a lot of the ports, "friend" codes are back, match making through your cell phone, lots of features being haphazardly patched in like online store, joy cons losing connection etc. Just lots and lots of issues. If the 3DS is any indication, Nintendo will be whipping out a new model every other year or so so I'm waiting this one out.

I'm glad I got a Wii U now in hindsight, though it is a sore spot for me that the tablet does nothing but flash the "press to game on tablet" message and drain the battery. Even if I play Zelda with the Wii U Pro controller and turn off the tablets display it just turns back on the moment I take an action. Why make it impossible to turn off the tablet controller during gameplay if the functionality it had for BoTW was just going to be gutted anyway? GDI Nintendo. You make me love you just enough to make all your quirks tolerable.
To be fair, a plastic screen doesn't shatter like a glass screen. I know the marketing statements from Gorilla Glass and the likes but here I am, typing this on a smartphone that has a shattered screen from falling down two times over the course of four years - in spite of having gorilla glass. What Nintendo should have done is to apply a protector by default that you can replace when needed.

I'm also a fan of how Nintendo moved all social features to a separate app. PS4 does all of this by itself, but it reserves two CPU cores clocked at 1,7GHz and 3GB of RAM to do so.

I also understand why they didn't ship a browser and video player at launch. I applaud the decision to use a 720p screen, since a "better" screen would have drained more power and the GPU doesn't have the horsepower to render higher resolutions in mobile mode anyway, a "better" screen would just lead to scaling artefacts during gaming. If Nintendo had shipped various tablet-like apps at launch, tons of reviewers would have complained how bad the screen because websites and movies aren't as crisp as on regular tablets. A wise decision at launch IMO.

I agree on the other points though.

Overall, I like the Switch more than I liked the Wii and Wii U.
 
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