Should I get a Barton?

[slaves123]

Considering update, i've an Athlon XP 1700+ Thoroughbred A unlocked, i'm thinking on buying a Barton 2500+/2600+ but i'm not sure if i should try to overlcock my processor with a new cooler, (now its @ 1595Mhz = 145 * 11) but i'm sure that with a better cooler that i'm going to buy anyway it could reach easily 1800Mhz perhaps more... nedd sugestions, if i don't buy a barton i'll buy a new graphics card, such as a FX5200 or FX 5600 depending on the price, thank you

 

[videoclone]

OK just to help u out in the long run stay away from GeforceFX5600 and 5200 they are really bad ... a Geforce Ti4200 is a hell of allot faster then both .. if u want a new card get a ATI9600 Pro or XT or Geforce4Ti4200

As for CPU No NO and NO don?t bother getting a new cooler the only thing holding you back from overclocking is probably your ram if your ram wont go past 145FSB then your not going to get past that .. DDR 400 will do 200FSB ram so maybe thats where your money should go but again if your using a VIA chipset its because when u up the FSBto 145 your also overclocking the AGP because VIA chipsets have no AGP lock and if u do have DDR 333 or 400 and u also have a Nforce board and not VIA then it could be your CPU just wont go any higher then 145FSB ..

If you must get a new CPU u cant go wrong with the Barton 2500+ its a good CPU and the price's are also very attractive plus its the best overclocking amd CPU it gets to 3200+ 200FSB x11 from its default valtage again you will require the DDR400 ram to get 200FSB

But if i was you and i was looking to play games on my system i wouldn?t worry about a faster CPU i would just go out and get an ATI9600XT or Pro and if you dont have 512MB of ram .. More ram and a better videocard would make your computer faster then a new faster CPU.. in games anyways !!!

You could also get a Geforce FX5900se for $183 and you get a free copy of Call of duty its a nice upgrade and its very easy .... plus the FX5900se is just a little slower then a ATI9800Pro so your still getting a really fast high end card.

 

[dnuggett]

What are you looking to do with the system? How can we tell you what to upgrade if we don't know what's important?

 

[slaves123]

my memory is SDR, not DDR, that's why i can't past 145 and it's really a must to have DDR, i'm panning to buy a nFORCE 2 400 chipset mother, i'm not sure about it, it could be MSI, ASUS, ABIT or EPoX, i've post a topic on the Mobo forums to decide that, and i'm buying a new heatsik cause i have a sh*t of HSF with a annoting noise of its 60mm fan, that decision is already taken, i'm buying a TT Silent Boost when possible, now there is no stock, anywhere, here in Argentina of course, my questions is, as i'm getting a new mother with DDR400 RAM ADATA or Buffalo Tech, should i keep my 1700+ Tbred A or go for a Barton? thanks!

 

[slaves123]

and what about a TI4800?

 

[jar5tyle]

I'd say go for it, big improvement from the DDR alone

 

[AkumaX]

Originally posted by: slaves123
and what about a TI4800?

a ti4800 is like a ti4600 w/ 8x agp

 

[rgnuyda]

Originally posted by: videoclone
OK just to help u out in the long run stay away from GeforceFX5600 and 5200 they are really bad ... a Geforce Ti4200 is a hell of allot faster then both .. if u want a new card get a ATI9600 Pro or XT or Geforce4Ti4200

Why is the GF FX5600 a bad card? id like to know so i'll know what to stay away from.

 

[ctbook]

Does a new 2500+ Barton still have same o/c potential? What is the "lock" and what effect does it have? Apparently, some effect since it seems to be such a popular topic surrounding these processors. What is performance potential of locked vs. unlocked?

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: AkumaX

Originally posted by: slaves123
and what about a TI4800?

a ti4800 is like a ti4600 w/ 8x agp

... and a Ti4800SE is a Ti4400 with 8X AGP... so be careful what you buy.

Why is the GF FX5600 a bad card? id like to know so i'll know what to stay away from.

Both the FX5200 and the FX5600 are junk, they perform worse in DX 8.x games than the Ti4200 does. Although they do offer DX9 support, they're not powerful enough to run any DX9 game at a decent frame rate, so you're better off with a Ti4200 since it'll perform better, and you can still play DX9 games, the DX9 features will just be disabled.

 

[Sarobi]

Definitely fo for the Barton --- I also agree about the fx5200 and fx5600 ---- u can do much better.

 

[fleflikr]

keep the 1700+ and get a

thermalright 900 hsf and an ati 9600pro

 

[bdjohnson]

I have a 1700+ thoroughbread A from newegg. the highest i can get it is 1900+ at 1.73v core. It is not a very good cpu and I am getting a barton 2500. dont buy a new cooler that wont really help. if you need more speed go with the barton b/c they are cheap and way overclockable even though they are locked.

 

[slaves123]

ok i will change the processor, and the cooler too, my cooler is a cooler for barton or for XP1600+ trying to run at 1900+ as it is now is a nighmare, while it is at 1.550v it is at 57º at full load

 

[badaphooko]

about the 5600 ... i have a 5600ultra along side a nforce2 board wit a 2500 barton and and 512 3200 corsiar ramm and i get almost as good frame rates as my friends 9800 pro running raven shiled. and its halph the cost of 9800 pro. i think its a great video card for the price mine was 159 after rebate from best buy...

 

[slaves123]

i suppose i will change the mobo, the HSF and the processor, i'll, wait until i have enogh money to buy the best video card avaliable

 

[dejacky]

Perhaps a new motherboard is in order. I got my AthlonXP 1700+ cpu from www.googlegear.com and have the following results: (signature). So, that's also an option.

 

[gplracer]

I would get a new motherboard. I have a 1700+ running at 215x11=2365mhz. Get an Abit NF7-S and some Corsair 3500c ddr. Then you can see what your cpu will do. It might overclock enough so that you do not need another one.

 

[rogue1979]

I have both 1700+ and Bartons cpu's. Both hit 2200MHz, the Barton is only about 3% faster at the same clock and fsb speeds. I would look for the magical 1800+ stepping that is hitting 2300-2500MHz consistently. It will be the same speed or faster than a Barton at 2200MHz and cost less.

 

[dejacky]

I've heard the extra cache of barton cpu's decrease Disk defragment time noticeably. so how can it only be a 3% increase?

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: bdjohnson
I have a 1700+ thoroughbread A from newegg. the highest i can get it is 1900+ at 1.73v core. It is not a very good cpu and I am getting a barton 2500. dont buy a new cooler that wont really help. if you need more speed go with the barton b/c they are cheap and way overclockable even though they are locked.

Good point...I was going to mention this the rev B Tbreds are the overclockers...There isa good chance new cooler and ram wont take you much further....

On the hand the barton is much better but obviously you will need a new board and ram to use with it anayways....


they have boards that will accept Tbred A XPs and run sdram???? I am amazed.....I would think there is no way this barton will work on this mobo but I am surprised you have the tbred working......You are really neutering that thing....

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: bdjohnson
I have a 1700+ thoroughbread A from newegg. the highest i can get it is 1900+ at 1.73v core. It is not a very good cpu and I am getting a barton 2500. dont buy a new cooler that wont really help. if you need more speed go with the barton b/c they are cheap and way overclockable even though they are locked.

Good point...I was going to mention this the rev B Tbreds are the overclockers...There isa good chance new cooler and ram wont take you much further....

On the hand the barton is much better but obviously you will need a new board and ram to use with it anayways....


they have boards that will accept Tbred A XPs and run sdram???? I am amazed.....I would think there is no way this barton will work on this mobo but I am surprised you have the tbred working......You are really neutering that thing....

They have boards like the ECS k7s5A Pro that do either SD or DDR SDRAM and accept all the current athlons. Some better manufacturers like Asus probably have updated BIOS versions for newer athlons on older boards.

 

[rogue1979]

Originally posted by: dejacky
I've heard the extra cache of barton cpu's decrease Disk defragment time noticeably. so how can it only be a 3% increase?

3DMark, Sandra Arithmetic, Multimedia and CPU Mark all show an average of 3% improvement. I haven't physically timed disk defragmentation yet, but it would be virtually impossible to do a comparison since you couldn't set up the hard drive equally for each test. I am sure there is a few areas where the extra cache shows a better improvement, perhaps crunching Seti or something. But all around normal system use just doesn't seem to have a large boost, at least for me.

 

[slaves123]

my mother do only support SDRAM I bought it when my processor was really new, and the DDR was only a distant comment. In some way i know there is some more room for overclocking these processor, but i don't figure why the tbred B are better oc'er than the Tbred A when the only phisically difference is that the B's have an extra copper layer in the core that reduce some interference, harmfull most of it, and have nothing to do with OC'ing

 

[pillage2001]

For those who asked him to keep his Tbred 1700, be mindful it's a Tbred A and there's really nothing impressive about it compared to what you can buy now.