Should I get a Plasma or LCD?

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: scootermaster
It's funny...these arguments always devolve into the same sorts of things (be it about HDTV, Intel vs. AMD, Windows vs. PC, McLaren vs. Ferrari...whatever).

You've got the guys that spent wayyyyyyy too much money jumping into the fray at the release date, and are now desperately trying to justify why their technology is worth what they paid. Not to imply that whatever it is they own is bad per se, just that it's obviously not state of the art. And if you spent $3k on something relatively recently, you sorta want it to be state of the art. They're not really ready to accept the fact that it's not, so they dogmatically claim that their technology is "fine for the time being" or whatever, when in reality it's not the best anymore.

You've got the guys that simply don't understand some people have lots of money and don't mind spending it. Yes, your LCD looks lovely. It's a nice TV. I'm sorry, the plasma looks better. That's not really up for debate. I don't care if it's ten times as expensive, a fact is a fact.

You've got the people that don't know the difference between "good" and "best". Almost ALL HDTV looks freakin' good. I mean, that's why it's high-def! You go into to any store and see a nice DVD of some nature show playing, you're going to be impressed. That doesn't mean it's the best. Some people want the best. If someone asks "what should I buy?" I'm going to either ask them "for how much?" or I'm just going to tell them "the best" and let them figure out whether or not they can afford it.

And then you've got the people who really just don't know, and get confused by too many options. Frankly, most people (myself included on occasion) fall into this category. The reason why there are so many of these threads is not because there's really any reason for debate (in most cases, there is usually some clear cut "winner") but it's because options create anxiety for making the "wrong" decision (see first item on this list; no one wants to be out 3 grand and regretting it in a year). People get overwhelmed trying to read 4534534534 page threads on AVS forums and whatever. And since those forums are clogged with people in the above categories, spewing misinformation and dogma, it muddies the waters even more.

Anyway, the point is, the first question is ALWAYS "what can you afford?". After that, it's "what are you going to use it for?" But most times that's not even really needed. Once you know what your price range is, in almost all cases, the answer becomes pretty clear.

Frickin' Plasma, aite?

Yes Plasma. I like my 46" Bravia XBR2 but I will accept the fact that Plamsma pwns it.

And screw DLP.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: secretanchitman
LCD by far. we bought a plasma and the HD signals/channels we were getting on it looks absolutely HOPELESS, so we returned that and got a sharp aquos 37" lcd - been happy with it ever since.

plasma sucks.

Oh wow, you bought "a plasma." Wow, that's very specific. So let me get this straight, if you buy some sh!tty low end Vizio plasma from Wal-Mart, take it home, and don't like it. You can then say that ALL plasmas are bad? Give me a break.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: secretanchitman

Originally posted by: Mrfrog840

Originally posted by: OFFascist
LCD.

Uses less electricity, produces less waste heat, lighter.

lmao

electricity-maybe a 3 dollar difference per month
less waste heat-more environmentally friendly than an LCD
lighter-within 1-10lbs difference per size comparison

exactly. less electricity, less waste heat, and its lighter.

And you forgot inferior PQ.

 

[Chaotic42]

When I bought my HDTV several months ago, I walked in with no pre-concieved notions. I didn't know the benefits of one technology over the other. So I went in and looked at TVs. I looked at a lot of TVs. LCDs, DLP, Plasma, I looked at them all. Over and over. My roommate came too. So did some friends.

In the end, we all picked plasma. It just looked better. The LCDs looked nasty and washed out. DLP didn't look bad, but it wasn't great either. I chose plasma and I stand by it. Not because I bought it and need to justify it, but because at the time, there was no question. It was far and away the best display type.

 

[mercanucaribe]

If you think a 1024x768 plasma TV has better "PQ" than an LCD, you are deluding yourself!

 

[MagicConch]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
In the end, we all picked plasma. It just looked better. The LCDs looked nasty and washed out. DLP didn't look bad, but it wasn't great either. I chose plasma and I stand by it. Not because I bought it and need to justify it, but because at the time, there was no question. It was far and away the best display type.

this was my experience also

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
If you think a 1024x768 plasma TV has better "PQ" than an LCD, you are deluding yourself!

Resolution isn't everything. What good is 1920x1080 when it has sh!tty colors and crappy viewing angles. HOWEVER, I do agree that 1024x768 bothers the sh!t out of me. It's not that it is a lower resolution, it is because it is a non-standard resolution. WTF is 1024x768? 720p is 1280x720. That's why I really only consider plasmas 50" and larger.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
If you think a 1024x768 plasma TV has better "PQ" than an LCD, you are deluding yourself!

Resolution isn't everything. What good is 1920x1080 when it has sh!tty colors and crappy viewing angles. HOWEVER, I do agree that 1024x768 bothers the sh!t out of me. It's not that it is a lower resolution, it is because it is a non-standard resolution. WTF is 1024x768? 720p is 1280x720. That's why I really only consider plasmas 50" and larger.

..aren't they obsolete? ref: anandtech article on industry trends and overall consumer appeal. mfg.costs on lcd have dramatically been reduced compared to plasma. and joe six pack consumer isn't discriminating enough to see any diff.between the two formats. Plasma is largely only popular in the US. World wide LCD is the more popular choice.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: IGBT
..aren't they obsolete? ref: anandtech article on industry trends and overall consumer appeal. mfg.costs on lcd have dramatically been reduced compared to plasma. and joe six pack consumer isn't discriminating enough to see any diff.between the two formats. Plasma is largely only popular in the US. World wide LCD is the more popular choice.

And world wide people are completely stupid when it comes to HDTV. You can even see it on ATOT with any topic that comes up regarding HD and displays. Just misinformation and stupidity.

As a technolgy forum we should spread truth because we're not "joe six-pack'. As an owner of just about every HD technology out there, and as a technology purely alone PLASMA offers a better picture quality.

If one wants to sacrfice quality over price, then so be it. But don't try to justify your cheapness and defend a technogoly that is unamiously inferior.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
If you think a 1024x768 plasma TV has better "PQ" than an LCD, you are deluding yourself!

Resolution isn't everything. What good is 1920x1080 when it has sh!tty colors and crappy viewing angles. HOWEVER, I do agree that 1024x768 bothers the sh!t out of me. It's not that it is a lower resolution, it is because it is a non-standard resolution. WTF is 1024x768? 720p is 1280x720. That's why I really only consider plasmas 50" and larger.

Higher resolution isn't automatically better, but not scaling is better than scaling. Scaling a 1280x720 or 1920x1080 image to 1024x768 rectangular pixels should be a crime.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: IGBT
..aren't they obsolete? ref: anandtech article on industry trends and overall consumer appeal. mfg.costs on lcd have dramatically been reduced compared to plasma. and joe six pack consumer isn't discriminating enough to see any diff.between the two formats. Plasma is largely only popular in the US. World wide LCD is the more popular choice.

And world wide people are completely stupid when it comes to HDTV. You can even see it on ATOT with any topic that comes up regarding HD and displays. Just misinformation and stupidity.

As a technolgy forum we should spread truth because we're not "joe six-pack'. As an owner of just about every HD technology out there, and as a technology purely alone PLASMA offers a better picture quality.

If one wants to sacrfice quality over price, then so be it. But don't try to justify your cheapness and defend a technogoly that is unamiously inferior.

..get your plasma while you can because the industry sees more future in LCD rather then plasma and won't support two formats for long.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: IGBT

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: IGBT
..aren't they obsolete? ref: anandtech article on industry trends and overall consumer appeal. mfg.costs on lcd have dramatically been reduced compared to plasma. and joe six pack consumer isn't discriminating enough to see any diff.between the two formats. Plasma is largely only popular in the US. World wide LCD is the more popular choice.

And world wide people are completely stupid when it comes to HDTV. You can even see it on ATOT with any topic that comes up regarding HD and displays. Just misinformation and stupidity.

As a technolgy forum we should spread truth because we're not "joe six-pack'. As an owner of just about every HD technology out there, and as a technology purely alone PLASMA offers a better picture quality.

If one wants to sacrfice quality over price, then so be it. But don't try to justify your cheapness and defend a technogoly that is unamiously inferior.

..get your plasma while you can because the industry sees more future in LCD rather then plasma and won't support two formats for long.

And where do you get that information? Panasonic is doing great with their plasma line and Pioneer is doing pretty damn well too. They show absolutely no signs of dropping plasma. To put it simply, the big boys are still in the game, and they only show better things to come for plasma tech. So don't hold your breath, because plasma HDTVs aren't going anywhere any time soon.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: IGBT

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
If you think a 1024x768 plasma TV has better "PQ" than an LCD, you are deluding yourself!

Resolution isn't everything. What good is 1920x1080 when it has sh!tty colors and crappy viewing angles. HOWEVER, I do agree that 1024x768 bothers the sh!t out of me. It's not that it is a lower resolution, it is because it is a non-standard resolution. WTF is 1024x768? 720p is 1280x720. That's why I really only consider plasmas 50" and larger.

..aren't they obsolete? ref: anandtech article on industry trends and overall consumer appeal. mfg.costs on lcd have dramatically been reduced compared to plasma. and joe six pack consumer isn't discriminating enough to see any diff.between the two formats. Plasma is largely only popular in the US. World wide LCD is the more popular choice.

What's obsolete? Plasmas? Do you have your head buried in the sand? The only people that think they are obsolete, are the people that aren't in the market for a 42" or larger HDTV. Plasma is king for the people that have the money and what the best possible PQ from their new HD set. It's just a simple as that.

 

[scootermaster]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: IGBT

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: IGBT
..aren't they obsolete? ref: anandtech article on industry trends and overall consumer appeal. mfg.costs on lcd have dramatically been reduced compared to plasma. and joe six pack consumer isn't discriminating enough to see any diff.between the two formats. Plasma is largely only popular in the US. World wide LCD is the more popular choice.

And world wide people are completely stupid when it comes to HDTV. You can even see it on ATOT with any topic that comes up regarding HD and displays. Just misinformation and stupidity.

As a technolgy forum we should spread truth because we're not "joe six-pack'. As an owner of just about every HD technology out there, and as a technology purely alone PLASMA offers a better picture quality.

If one wants to sacrfice quality over price, then so be it. But don't try to justify your cheapness and defend a technogoly that is unamiously inferior.

..get your plasma while you can because the industry sees more future in LCD rather then plasma and won't support two formats for long.

And where do you get that information? Panasonic is doing great with their plasma line and Pioneer is doing pretty damn well too. They show absolutely no signs of dropping plasma. To put it simply, the big boys are still in the game, and they only show better things to come for plasma tech. So don't hold your breath, because plasma HDTVs aren't going anywhere any time soon.

This sort of BS goes back to what I was saying before...most people -- or LCD owners, I guess -- would rather have their $1700 LCD be the best you can get, rather than wondering if they really should have sprung for the $3500 plasma. So they say "Well, the plasma isn't 1080p!" Or "Plasmas burn in!" or "Plasmas are hot!" or "Plasmas won't exist in 5 years" or "Plasmas are the reason I have a small penis!" or whatever else they can think of.

Dude, this shouldn't even be a thread, for christ's sake.

 

[IGBT]

As the market for plasma TVs declines, manufacturers who are producing both LCD and plasma TVs are expected to bail on plasma altogether and focus solely on LCD manufacturing. Companies like Sony and Chunghwa Picture Tubes (CPT) have already turned their sole attention towards LCD technology. "We cannot focus on two different products because of heavy capex (capital expenditure). That's why we had to choose one," said CPT CFO James Wu.

With plasma seeing increased competition in the 40? class, the technology may find safer waters in the 50? and higher class where it enjoys production and image quality advantages over LCD technology. But with so much money being poured into LCD TV development, the advantages aren?t likely to last long ? in fact, Samsung is already showing its LCD manufacturing prowess with a 70? 1080p LCD TV which is due to enter production next year.






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Overall, the LCD TV market is still larger than the plasma TV market with demand expected to reach $75 billion USD in 2008 and $93 billion USD in 2010. The plasma TV market is expected to reach $24 billion USD in 2008 and then enter a decline in 2009. Even more telling is that 80% of R&D funding for flat-panel televisions is devoted to LCD technology with plasma and other display technologies vying for the remaining 20% according to Wang.

 

[dwell]

This thread is funny. The blanket generalizations being thrown around (plasmas suffer from burn-in, LCDs look washed out) reek of fanboyism. All sets have their trade offs. You're kidding yourself if you think one technology is vastly superior to another at this point.

 

[TheAdvocate]

Originally posted by: Chris
This thread is funny. The blanket generalizations being thrown around (plasmas suffer from burn-in, LCDs look washed out) reek of fanboyism. All sets have their trade offs. You're kidding yourself if you think one technology is vastly superior to another at this point.

6 pages of "jackburton" playing over the top fanboy is good stuff. just ask him. he might answer you in between his 30 second interval "plasma is teh w1!11oneone1! LCD suxx0rz" posts. :disgust:

 

[DBL]

Got a Panasonic 50PZ700U coming this Thursday. Looking forward to it. I'll be able to compare it to my Sharp LC-42D62U.

 

[scootermaster]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: Chris
This thread is funny. The blanket generalizations being thrown around (plasmas suffer from burn-in, LCDs look washed out) reek of fanboyism. All sets have their trade offs. You're kidding yourself if you think one technology is vastly superior to another at this point.

6 pages of "jackburton" playing over the top fanboy is good stuff. just ask him. he might answer you in between his 30 second interval "plasma is teh w1!11oneone1! LCD suxx0rz" posts. :disgust:

Um. Excuse me?

Plasmas have a better picture. Everyone knows that. Even if a plasmas blow up after 40 seconds of usage, kill your wife while she's sleeping, and get you fired from your job, they still have a better picture. This is not really up for debate.

If you want something else because it's cheaper, or because it lasts longer, or because it's cooler, or because it won't burn in, or because of whatever, then fine. Go right ahead and get that. But don't call it "better" than a plasma because it simply isn't.

 

[IGBT]

..it's going to boil down to buisness and capex. It's cheaper to mass produce LCD's. They have more technological headroom and satisify the vast majority of consumers.

 

[Vic]

Sorry, fanbois, newer LCDs look stellar. Even the cheap ones. Good blacks, bright colors, crisp resolutions.

Sure, a top of the line plasma might still look better than a top of the line LCD, but most people don't care about that and never will. Joe Sixpack is upgrading his 10 year old 27" CRT. If plasma can't compete in that market, then it can't compete period.

 

[JackBurton]

I love this, when people run out of facts they throw out the fanboy card. Absolutely hilarious.

Originally posted by: Vic
Sorry, fanbois, newer LCDs look stellar. Even the cheap ones. Good blacks, bright colors, crisp resolutions.

Sure, a top of the line plasma might still look better than a top of the line LCD, but most people don't care about that and never will. Joe Sixpack is upgrading his 10 year old 27" CRT. If plasma can't compete in that market, then it can't compete period.

Plasma competes just fine in the 42" and larger screen sizes. As a matter of fact, Panasonic and Pioneer are doing great. They don't compete very well in the 42" and smaller TVs because...they don't don't make any that small. If Joe Six pack wants a 42" or larger TV, he'll be looking most likely at a DLP, LCD or plasma. And with Panasonic's new line, they look fantastic and are extremely competitive in their pricing. How is that for competition.

What else you got?

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: IGBT
..it's going to boil down to buisness and capex. It's cheaper to mass produce LCD's. They have more technological headroom and satisify the vast majority of consumers.

LCDs have more headroom because they haven't even caught up to plasmas yet. And with Pioneers new line, they BETTER have A LOT more headroom.

Quit quoting sources that have a stake in their own technology. They'll tend to skew the information. For instance, those big numbers they're throwing out include LCD TVs under 42". Plasma doesn't even compete with those products. But those numbers look GREAT though. :roll:

 

[JackBurton]

I love it when I throw out numbers and first hand accounts, LCD people freak out like I'm insulting their mom. Before in LCD vs Plasma debates, LCD fans would always throw out, "but, but LCDs have 1080p and plasmas only have 720p res." Nevermind these retards bought a 37" LCD and sat like 20' away from their TV. That's great, I'm glad you have eagle eyes and can see the difference between 720p and 1080p from that far away, but 99.999999% of the rest of the population can't. However, I sure as hell can tell that screen looks washed out and my sports suffer from motion blur. That I can definitely see. But hey, you've got a 1080p res. :roll: Then it was, "Yeah, the only plasma with 1080p res is $10,000." Now it's, "Umm, you're a fanboy." Great, that's an amazing argument.

Facts are, the new plasmas pretty much have it all (Panasonic and Pioneer). Anti-reflective coating (something the LCD guys always b!tched about plasmas), 1080p, better looking SD, deep blacks, and best of all, GREAT pricing. What else could you ask for?

And going back to the "fanboy" comment these goofs are throwing around in this thread. Instead of throwing out moronic baseless little comments, how about putting up some actual arguments? Here, I'll help you out...

Informed LCD poster: "Jack, have you heard Samsung is coming out with their 81 series LCD which is supposed to fix some of the current LCDs shortcomings? For example, local dimming which will enable the LCD to reach a new level of deep blacks, 100,000 dynamic contract ratio and 120Hz for decreased motion blur in fast action scenes."

Me: "Why yes I have Informed LCD poster. I'm actually keeping a close eye on that LCD. That may be the first LCD to put up a serious fight up against the new plasmas offered by Panasonic and Pioneer. And if it does offer a better PQ than the new plasmas, and the price is in line with the competition, I might just get it. I have my doubts that it can beat the Pioneer, but I'll definitely give it a fair evaluation. After all, I don't have a vested interest in either tech, I just want the best PQ I can get for my money. It's as simple as that."

See how that went guys? Pretty easy. You just have to know WTF you're talking about instead of throwing out this bullsh!t "fanboy" sh!t.

 

[spidey07]

Jack,

As an informed person you should know that the plasma runs out in just a few short years and you can't replace it, right?

LCD FTW!