Should I get a Plasma or LCD?

[scootermaster]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: scootermaster

This thread is over.

After looking at your post, and reading your sig, I think you need to step away from the keyboard and get some fresh air.

Yes. There is a direct correlation between disapproving of the war in Iraq and knowing nothing about television technology. Good argument.

Edit: PS: I prefer pico. OH SNAPS!

 

[JackBurton]

Alright guys, I'm back from my trip. Here we go...

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Vic
Why is it that all your posts invariable lead one to believe that you have an extremely small penis?

LOL, so that's all you're left with huh? So let me ask you, at what point in an LCD vs plasma debate do you start wondering about another man's penis? Do you do this often? I just find this very odd.

I'm not and never have been involved in any LCD vs. plasma debate, Jack. The fact that you insist on thinking so is what's odd.
Invariably, you seem to be incredibly insecure. About most everything, from your beliefs to your decisions to your possessions. As though you are compensating for something. So I thought it a legitimate question.

Please, give me a freakin' break. So let me get this straight, when I look at a nice TV, I think, "hey, that is a nice TV. I'd love to have one." However, when you look at someone with a nice TV or apparently anything nice, the first thing you think of is, "hey, I wonder how big this guy's penis is?" LOL, it sounds like YOU are the one with the issues.

The fact is, you came in this thread talking smack with some general supply and demand bullsh!t to try and mask the fact you don't know jack sh!t about what you're talking about. The truth is, you are not familiar with the HD market and you are now doing a mad dash to try and do some research so you won't look like a complete moron. Unfortunately Vic, you've already dug your hole and I'm about to cover you up.

I like how you all of a sudden started recommending plasmas which was MY argument to begin with. You weren't arguing the model plasma I recommend, you were arguing FOR LCDs. So don't try and back track. The Panasonic model I recommend is 1080p and can be had for $2795. That's just ~$300 difference (compared to the Pioneer 5070 you posted) for a next gen 1080p model. It also has an anti-reflective coating that makes it better for viewing in an area with a lot of ambient light. I threw the MSRP price of $3499 for the 50PZ700U out there because I knew your dumb ass didn't know what you were talking about or where you could find the best deal. I think DBL got an even better deal than that too for his Panasonic (I believe ~$2400 wasn't it?). If anyone in this thread (except Vic) wants to know where you can get it for that price ($2795), PM me. I'd be happy to send you the link.

As for the Pioneer model you obviously did a quick search on, but again you fvcked that one up too. You're $400 overpriced on it. That display is a GREAT display, but I was arguing apples to apples with LCDs vs plasmas. Not to mention I recommended that plasma model over any LCD ON THE FIRST PAGE! (It looks like in all your back pedaling, you're falling all over yourself) Normally LCDs are 1080p at that size, so I gave an apples to apples comparison. That's a 720p (or 768p) display, which is GREAT and produces a great picture, but some people are caught up on res and the first thing LCDs backers would say is, "but, but it's only 720p." Resolution is really dependent on your viewing distance. 720p is pretty damn good at a 10' viewing distance.

Then you mentioned the Panasonic TH-50PH9UK (like you knew about it before doing some quick, yet incomplete research). There are actually some problems recommending that HDTV. It is actually a monitor. That means, no tuner (which really isn't that big of a deal), no speakers, NO STAND and only comes with component and composite video. So you'll have to tack on an extra $155 if you want to buy an HDMI board. And with that, you'll only have ONE HDMI connection. That's something that will be up to the consumer to see if that fits his needs, but that's something he'll need to be aware of before making the purchase. And again, you're $100 overpriced.

Let me remind you as your trying to frantically back pedal. Your argument was plasmas are more expensive than LCDs. I argued the contrary. Now after your little song and dance, talking sh!t like I only have to have the best, take a look at the brands I recommended for plasmas (Panasonic and Pioneer) and look what you brought up. Funny how those Panasonic plasmas are pretty damn competitive with LCD prices, aren't they?

I'm not and never have been involved in any LCD vs. plasma debate, Jack.

And it looks like you should never get involved in them again. You don't know jack sh!t about them, so quit pretending you do.

Originally posted by: Vic
That was for Jack's Pioneer fanboi sake. Going along with his argument than anything less was shopping at Wal-Mart.

Oh, and you apparently need some work on your reading comprehension skills. That's not what I said. Go back and read my posts, CAREFULLY. Like a 5th grader.

Now go be happy watching your Wal-Mart TV and thinking about other guys' penises. If that's what makes you happy, knock yourself out.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: HopJokey
Actually I'm looking at 1080p LCD 37-32 inches. Is it for the extra video quality? Nope, this TV will be used as both a computer monitor and video display so the extra resolution is a must.

Okay.... ? Did you read my post above about why I bought LCD?

Yeah, it had nothing to do with the OP's question. Do you want to go ahead and tell people why you bought 2% milk instead of whole milk while you're at it?

 

[spidey07]

jebus, you guys are still mulling this over?

As much respect as I have for Vic in his area of expertise he is clearly misinformed.

This is MY area of expertise.

Why is this dicussion even going on? The point has already been made. Plasma>LCD. Those arguing against it are just justifying their purchase. You can tell the AV newbs mainly from their blind following of LCD. They don't know AV, they don't understand.

As much as those in the know try to help them they will defend their purchase to the death.

 

[Shawn]

Do NOT get DLP.

 

[scootermaster]

Originally posted by: spidey07
jebus, you guys are still mulling this over?

As much respect as I have for Vic in his area of expertise he is clearly misinformed.

This is MY area of expertise.

Why is this dicussion even going on? The point has already been made. Plasma>LCD. Those arguing against it are just justifying their purchase. You can tell the AV newbs mainly from their blind following of LCD. They don't know AV, they don't understand.

As much as those in the know try to help them they will defend their purchase to the death.

Next thing you know, you're going to tell people they need 1080p!

STOP THE LIES, DAMNIT!

Everyone knows the best TV technology in terms of picture quality and clarity is rear projection.

Sheesh!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: spidey07
As much respect as I have for Vic in his area of expertise he is clearly misinformed.

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Once again, I was NEVER arguing LCD vs. plasma. That was the straw man being used by the insecure loudmouthed moron who measures his dick by the size of his TV screen, and his importance in life by how much he can waste.
Everytime I specifically addressed the OP's needs, I said plasma.


edit: uh, BTW, I wasn't price-shopping for the OP, merely pointing out models. If the ones I pointed out can be had even that much cheaper, it simply further reinforces my actual argument, which Jack has been tap-dancing around while beating up his straw men. Why pay nearly twice as much to get only a little bit better? You genuinely should re-examine yourselves for this motive, while at the same time realizing that the general public does not (and in most cases, cannot) share your attitude.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: spidey07
As much respect as I have for Vic in his area of expertise he is clearly misinformed.

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Everyone knows what the law of diminishing returns is. Unfortunately, that doesn't apply to your argument.

Once again, I was NEVER arguing LCD vs. plasma.

Yes you were dumb ass. Apparently you're too dumb to even keep track of your own argument, so let me remind you. Here is your first post of the thread after I listed SEVERAL options for plasmas.

Sorry, fanbois, newer LCDs look stellar. Even the cheap ones. Good blacks, bright colors, crisp resolutions.

Sure, a top of the line plasma might still look better than a top of the line LCD, but most people don't care about that and never will. Joe Sixpack is upgrading his 10 year old 27" CRT. If plasma can't compete in that market, then it can't compete period.

By this statement you are insinuating you'll have to pay more for a plasma to get a better picture than an LCD, but the slight PQ improvement isn't worth the price premium. The facts are, you can purchase a plasma for half the cost of a top of the line LCDs AND get better picture quality. Where the fvck does diminishing returns apply there?

That was the straw man being used by the insecure loudmouthed moron who measures his dick by the size of his TV screen, and his importance in life by how much he can waste.
Everytime I specifically addressed the OP's needs, I said plasma.

More freakin' rambling from a person lost in his own bullsh!t. Where the fvck did you recommend a plasma? Oh, you mean the plasma model I recommended (Pioneer 5070) in THE FIRST PAGE and then you replied with the above quote of "Sorry fanbois?" Give me a freakin' break.

edit: uh, BTW, I wasn't price-shopping for the OP, merely pointing out models. If the ones I pointed out can be had even that much cheaper, it simply further reinforces my actual argument, which Jack has been tap-dancing around while beating up his straw men.

No it doesn't. It proves MY argument you dumb sh!t. I freakin' post the Pioneer model in the FIRST PAGE and you argued against it (plasmas). Jesus Christ, get your stories straight. You're all over the place. You use the straw man defense every time you're pinned against a corner, but I'm now convinced you have no idea WTF the straw man argument even is.

Why pay nearly twice as much to get only a little bit better? You genuinely should re-examine yourselves for this motive, while at the same time realizing that the general public does not (and in most cases, cannot) share your attitude.

Jesus Christ, you're a freakin' moron. It's like arguing with a retard that can't stay on topic. The subject was, 50" plasma vs LCD. My argument was not only did plasma present a better picture, it was also extremely competitive in it's pricing. You disagreed, well, because you have no idea what you're talking about. THEN when you've been called out, you make a mad dash to do some quick research to try and cover up your ignorance only to recommend THE EXACT same model plasma I recommended in the beginning and you argued against it.

Are you done making a fool of yourself Vic? Because I can go all day kicking you in the face like I've been doing. This is a technical discussion that requires numbers to back up an argument. You've provided exactly jack squat to defend your argument of "LCD is a better option as it is cheaper than plasma and provides a 'good enough' picture ". As I recommended before, go back to the P&N forum where you can bullsh!t your way around a thread, because you're definitely not getting away with it in the thread.

 

[CorCentral]

Jack...... I agree with you 100%
I own a Panasonic 50px50u plasma (last years mdl) and checked out current lcd panels at the time. Nothing was even close to what I wanted and Plasma was the best. I still think they are.
Anyone that want to argue Electronics, go to one of the best forums on the web..........

The majority of people will think what they want. It's like saying: Speeding and getting tickets is a good thing. Try arguing against that point! **LOL**

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: CorCentral
Jack...... I agree with you 100%
I own a Panasonic 50px50u plasma (last years mdl) and checked out current lcd panels at the time. Nothing was even close to what I wanted and Plasma was the best. I still think is.
Anyone that want to argue Electronics, go to one of the best furums on the web..........

The majority of people will think what they want. It's like saying: Speeding and getting tickets is a good thing. Try arguing against that point! **LOL**

Yep, I frequent AVS Forum quite a bit. Great place.

And nice TV!

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: CorCentral
Jack...... I agree with you 100%
I own a Panasonic 50px50u plasma (last years mdl) and checked out current lcd panels at the time. Nothing was even close to what I wanted and Plasma was the best. I still think is.
Anyone that want to argue Electronics, go to one of the best furums on the web..........

The majority of people will think what they want. It's like saying: Speeding and getting tickets is a good thing. Try arguing against that point! **LOL**

Yep, I frequent AVS Forum quite a bit. Great place.

And nice TV!

Although AVS is a great site. You must also avoid misinformation there as well. It was a different site 5-6 years back. Now it's full of fanbois without any knowledge.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: CorCentral
Jack...... I agree with you 100%
I own a Panasonic 50px50u plasma (last years mdl) and checked out current lcd panels at the time. Nothing was even close to what I wanted and Plasma was the best. I still think is.
Anyone that want to argue Electronics, go to one of the best furums on the web..........

The majority of people will think what they want. It's like saying: Speeding and getting tickets is a good thing. Try arguing against that point! **LOL**

Yep, I frequent AVS Forum quite a bit. Great place.

And nice TV!

Although AVS is a great site. You must also avoid misinformation there as well. It was a different site 5-6 years back. Now it's full of fanbois without any knowledge.

Yep. Very true also. Irritating fanboys.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Yep. Very true also. Irritating fanboys.

Every Audio/Video thread on ATOT makes baby jesus cry. It really, really does.

The amount of FUD is astounding isn't it?

 

[JBarr]

LOL, I just gotta throw this into the mix:

LED Engine 1080p DLP HDTV

That's the technology that's going to be in my next TV

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: spidey07
As much respect as I have for Vic in his area of expertise he is clearly misinformed.

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Everyone knows what the law of diminishing returns is. Unfortunately, that doesn't apply to your argument.

Once again, I was NEVER arguing LCD vs. plasma.

Yes you were dumb ass. Apparently you're too dumb to even keep track of your own argument, so let me remind you. Here is your first post of the thread after I listed SEVERAL options for plasmas.

Sorry, fanbois, newer LCDs look stellar. Even the cheap ones. Good blacks, bright colors, crisp resolutions.

Sure, a top of the line plasma might still look better than a top of the line LCD, but most people don't care about that and never will. Joe Sixpack is upgrading his 10 year old 27" CRT. If plasma can't compete in that market, then it can't compete period.

By this statement you are insinuating you'll have to pay more for a plasma to get a better picture than an LCD, but the slight PQ improvement isn't worth the price premium. The facts are, you can purchase a plasma for half the cost of a top of the line LCDs AND get better picture quality. Where the fvck does diminishing returns apply there?

That was the straw man being used by the insecure loudmouthed moron who measures his dick by the size of his TV screen, and his importance in life by how much he can waste.
Everytime I specifically addressed the OP's needs, I said plasma.

More freakin' rambling from a person lost in his own bullsh!t. Where the fvck did you recommend a plasma? Oh, you mean the plasma model I recommended (Pioneer 5070) in THE FIRST PAGE and then you replied with the above quote of "Sorry fanbois?" Give me a freakin' break.

edit: uh, BTW, I wasn't price-shopping for the OP, merely pointing out models. If the ones I pointed out can be had even that much cheaper, it simply further reinforces my actual argument, which Jack has been tap-dancing around while beating up his straw men.

No it doesn't. It proves MY argument you dumb sh!t. I freakin' post the Pioneer model in the FIRST PAGE and you argued against it (plasmas). Jesus Christ, get your stories straight. You're all over the place. You use the straw man defense every time you're pinned against a corner, but I'm now convinced you have no idea WTF the straw man argument even is.

Why pay nearly twice as much to get only a little bit better? You genuinely should re-examine yourselves for this motive, while at the same time realizing that the general public does not (and in most cases, cannot) share your attitude.

Jesus Christ, you're a freakin' moron. It's like arguing with a retard that can't stay on topic. The subject was, 50" plasma vs LCD. My argument was not only did plasma present a better picture, it was also extremely competitive in it's pricing. You disagreed, well, because you have no idea what you're talking about. THEN when you've been called out, you make a mad dash to do some quick research to try and cover up your ignorance only to recommend THE EXACT same model plasma I recommended in the beginning and you argued against it.

Are you done making a fool of yourself Vic? Because I can go all day kicking you in the face like I've been doing. This is a technical discussion that requires numbers to back up an argument. You've provided exactly jack squat to defend your argument of "LCD is a better option as it is cheaper than plasma and provides a 'good enough' picture ". As I recommended before, go back to the P&N forum where you can bullsh!t your way around a thread, because you're definitely not getting away with it in the thread.

Dumbass, the only thing you did (in analogy) is that some guy started a thread saying he wanted a PC with a 500GB hard drive and 2GB RAM, and you started bitching Intel vs. AMD, and which one makes the fastest CPUs. And you call other people fanbois while pumping your tiny dick and claiming that anyone who doesn't buy the absolute bleeding edge is a "Wal-Mart shopper."

If you're looking for a "freakin' moron," pick up a mirror. :roll:


edit: Oh BTW, I love the completely out-of-context quotes. Straw men is the best you can do, isn't it? My argument has always been that you're a silver-spooned dumbass who's completely out-of-touch with what the general public is looking for. Do you get that yet? The general public are the "Wal-Mart shoppers" who will buy at Wal-Mart just to spite your ass. Otherwise, this is not a technical discussion, except in your circle-jerking fantasies.
:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

It absolutely positively NEVER ceases to amaze what an obtuse pompous dumbass you are. Try actually reading other peoples' posts for once before you spout off in your emotionalist rants, eh?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: JBarr
LOL, I just gotta throw this into the mix:

LED Engine 1080p DLP HDTV

That's the technology that's going to be in my next TV

No, dude, it's plasma FOREVER!! You fanboi, you suck! Go shop at Wal-Mart, you loser!

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JBarr
LOL, I just gotta throw this into the mix:

LED Engine 1080p DLP HDTV

That's the technology that's going to be in my next TV

No, dude, it's plasma FOREVER!! You fanboi, you suck! Go shop at Wal-Mart, you loser!

meh, LED projection is at the bottom of the barrel quality wise. It ranks with DLP. No go.

 

[IronWing]

Any time I see a TV over 19" I think "zit-cream commercials will look awsome on that". The same old crap isn't going to be any better on a better TV. I need to come up with a line of high definition, exotic ink books to hustle.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Vic
Dumbass, the only thing you did (in analogy) is that some guy started a thread saying he wanted a PC with a 500GB hard drive and 2GB RAM, and you started bitching Intel vs. AMD, and which one makes the fastest CPUs. And you call other people fanbois while pumping your tiny dick and claiming that anyone who doesn't buy the absolute bleeding edge is a "Wal-Mart shopper."

I never said that. Go back and do some more reading.

If you're looking for a "freakin' moron," pick up a mirror.

Oooh man, that was AWESOME! Did you pick up that line in 3rd grade? That's awesome man, that line is worth holding onto for another 20 yrs.

edit: Oh BTW, I love the completely out-of-context quotes.

Sure they were.

Straw men is the best you can do, isn't it? My argument has always been that you're a silver-spooned dumbass who's completely out-of-touch with what the general public is looking for.

Wow, that's fantastic. You're an idiot. But anyone reading this thread already knows that.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Yep. Very true also. Irritating fanboys.

Every Audio/Video thread on ATOT makes baby jesus cry. It really, really does.

The amount of FUD is astounding isn't it?

The days of HDTV selling solely to the bleeding edge are over, spidey. Sorry to have to break it to you, but "Wal-Mart shoppers" are dictating the market for next few years. That's the way it is until the manufacturers get the market share they desperately need to make HDTV the standard. That's not FUD. That's just reality. Think of it as similar to what happened to PCs dot-com and later. Huge strides in technology due to the masses finally buying in, but does anybody even know or really care what the absolute latest and greatest is anymore? No, because even the budget end is more than good enough for the average consumer's everyday use.
Consider that while you ponder on the fact that if OT didn't exist, AT probably would disappeared years ago. Or are you still overclocking your Celeron or Athlon?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Vic
Dumbass, the only thing you did (in analogy) is that some guy started a thread saying he wanted a PC with a 500GB hard drive and 2GB RAM, and you started bitching Intel vs. AMD, and which one makes the fastest CPUs. And you call other people fanbois while pumping your tiny dick and claiming that anyone who doesn't buy the absolute bleeding edge is a "Wal-Mart shopper."

I never said that. Go back and do some more reading.

If you're looking for a "freakin' moron," pick up a mirror.

Oooh man, that was AWESOME! Did you pick up that line in 3rd grade? That's awesome man, that line is worth holding onto for another 20 yrs.

edit: Oh BTW, I love the completely out-of-context quotes.

Sure they were.

Straw men is the best you can do, isn't it? My argument has always been that you're a silver-spooned dumbass who's completely out-of-touch with what the general public is looking for.

Wow, that's fantastic. You're an idiot. But anyone reading this thread already knows that.

So are you a Ford or a Chevy guy? Me, I could go either a 65 Mustang or a 65 Chevelle with no complaints, and I've never been able to understand the people who say otherwise.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Yep. Very true also. Irritating fanboys.

Every Audio/Video thread on ATOT makes baby jesus cry. It really, really does.

The amount of FUD is astounding isn't it?

The days of HDTV selling solely to the bleeding edge are over, spidey. Sorry to have to break it to you, but "Wal-Mart shoppers" are dictating the market for next few years. That's the way it is until the manufacturers get the market share they desperately need to make HDTV the standard. That's not FUD. That's just reality. Think of it as similar to what happened to PCs dot-com and later. Huge strides in technology due to the masses finally buying in, but does anybody even know or really care what the absolute latest and greatest is anymore? No, because even the budget end is more than good enough for the average consumer's everyday use.
Consider that while you ponder on the fact that if OT didn't exist, AT probably would disappeared years ago. Or are you still overclocking your Celeron or Athlon?

Well of course they are. They year is 2007, the year of 1080P HD. I'm glad WalMart is bringing it to the masses. Seriously dude, why did the DVD break all records of adoptation? Think about that for a moment.

But consumers always want to feel like they have "the best", you can extrapolate this to any purchase *cough* bose *cough* Sony trinitron (great line) *cough*.

I concede that the choices for a television are astonding these days and one should not marry oneself to a particular technology. We're in middle of the greatest advancements in display technology the world has ever seen.

But to deny the presence of the hi-end is to discount an entire MARKET IMHO. I have no crystal ball, I cannot predict the future.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Yep. Very true also. Irritating fanboys.

Every Audio/Video thread on ATOT makes baby jesus cry. It really, really does.

The amount of FUD is astounding isn't it?

The days of HDTV selling solely to the bleeding edge are over, spidey. Sorry to have to break it to you, but "Wal-Mart shoppers" are dictating the market for next few years. That's the way it is until the manufacturers get the market share they desperately need to make HDTV the standard. That's not FUD. That's just reality. Think of it as similar to what happened to PCs dot-com and later. Huge strides in technology due to the masses finally buying in, but does anybody even know or really care what the absolute latest and greatest is anymore? No, because even the budget end is more than good enough for the average consumer's everyday use.
Consider that while you ponder on the fact that if OT didn't exist, AT probably would disappeared years ago. Or are you still overclocking your Celeron or Athlon?

Well of course they are. They year is 2007, the year of 1080P HD. I'm glad WalMart is bringing it to the masses. Seriously dude, why did the DVD break all records of adoptation? Think about that for a moment.

But consumers always want to feel like they have "the best", you can extrapolate this to any purchase *cough* bose *cough* Sony trinitron (great line) *cough*.

I concede that the choices for a television are astonding these days and one should not marry oneself to a particular technology. We're in middle of the greatest advancements in display technology the world has ever seen.

But to deny the presence of the hi-end is to discount an entire MARKET IMHO. I have no crystal ball, I cannot predict the future.

I agree. I don't think I was discounting the high-end though, just saying that I don't think it's going to be in the driver's seat the next few years.
If I presented that wrong and let that lead to unnecessary flames, etc., I apologize. But really, that was my only point. That plasma, unfortunately for it, is the high-end at this time while LCD is in a position (at this time) to capture significant market share at a crucial juncture. That is all.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Vic
I agree. I don't think I was discounting the high-end though, just saying that I don't think it's going to be in the driver's seat the next few years.
If I presented that wrong and let that lead to unnecessary flames, etc., I apologize. But really, that was my only point. That plasma, unfortunately for it, is the high-end at this time while LCD is in a position (at this time) to capture significant market share at a crucial juncture. That is all.

That's about as pragmatic as you can get.

Eitherway, this is what competition is all about. it's a great time to be an audio/video enthusiast.

 

[SLCentral]

While there is no doubt that anything over 50" can most likely benefit when sitting <8' away, but my 63" plasma at 720p looks so good, I can't imagine a better picture.

Honestly, go with what you want to spend. Whatever anyone tells you, you do not NEED 1080p. All my HD sets are 720p, and I'm VERY happy with them. Sure, there may be something better out there, but that will always be true. Once it's at your house, you'll be extremely pleased with how any HD looks.