wut? i never mentioned ps3 or 360 in any of my sentences. you make no sense.
MY POINT IS THE WII-U DOES NOT HAVE MANY GOOD GAMES AND THAT IS WHY THE CONSOLE IS DOING POORLY. CAN I MAKE THIS ANY CLEARER FOR YOU?
You mentioned sales of games and since Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 are only way comparison of sales when comes to consoles thus I said why is primarily that because of size of instal base that both of those consoles have nearly 80 million or almost exactly 20 times larger than Wii U instal base.
I know though you seem that you can't comprehend what I am talking about nor/or you though a bit more about my response as for games, it has the quantity and it has good games though not really aimed at Nintendo crowd and most people that own a Wii U also game on Xbox 360 and/or Playstation 3 and/or PC when Wii started to die since 2011.
@cmdrdredd
"Nintendo doesn't even do proper multiplayer online and their store is atrocious. Try making an argument that helps you next time. On both the Xbox 360 and PS3 currently you get free games. Sony gives recently released AAA titles away to members. That's reason enough for me and other people to pay the $50 a year. As for the controller it's heavy, the screen isn't responsive enough, and it has a battery that barely lasts 4 hours. It's just bad design."
I did, your arguments are invalid because you did not consider important factors.
Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 at launch did not had the online like they have now and Wii U is in the same situation and it will improve and same will apply for Xbox One and Playstation 4 since they will update and so on.
Wii U's OS currently needs less than 512MB of RAM though it has 1GB dedicated for it thus it means Nintendo will add more features also involving eShop, it is more complex than Wiiware and if you sold your Wii U a month or two after launch then you did not experienced improvements that are now on it right now.
When comes to controller that we can argue about because it depends from person to person so your impressions will not apply to every person, for you it is maybe heavy because your muscle tissue is weak or maybe your mind is playing tricks to you since our mind thinks straightly logically since large objects must be heavier than smaller ones. Do you know that screen on Wii U is resistive touch screen thus it is single touch and not multi touch also you need to put pressure on the screen versus multi touch that operate on basis of your fingers attracting electrons on the screen thus there is really no need for any pressure but rather only a simply touching the screen also because you mentioned that the gamepad was heavy for you then I can assume that you don't apply enough force or it could be result that you have smaller hands/fingers thus less space is covered by tip of your fingers thus less pressure/force is present thus you need to push harder on resistive single touch screen on the gamepad. Well if 2-4 hours are not enough then buy "high capacity battery" that has 5-8 hours and it costs like 25-30$ and you can use default battery as reserver in case your "high capacity battery" dies my some chance.
"Have you even looked at the DualShock 4 vs the DualShock 3? Probably not judging on the response. Besides that there is a reason their controllers don't change that much but just get refined. The reason is they work and they feel nice. Nintendo has had shitty controller designs since the N64. All of them were goofball layouts that just don't work for a lot of titles."
Your can't judge my response, I've seen it and it is nothing special since touch pad on DS4 is a gimmick and was transfered from PS Vita that is influenced by Nintendo DS touch features as there is reason for some change for some major change because the controllers are minor refinements rather than expand its usefulness eg add two more buttons so there is less need for button combinations in some games or to be more useful for example you can attach an add-on or customize the button placement, at least Wii nunchuk had wheel addon and was comparable to mouse and keyboard or like Wii U gamepad has this addon;
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"I can plug in a regular keyboard and type faster, having an actual headset is also multiple times better that talking into the controller. Have you even played any WiiU games? They all still have HUD elements on the TV. Looking down is no substitute for having it in your main view. Why do you think the HUD in military jets puts most of the relevant info in your forward view? It provides better situational awareness than looking down at a secondary screen does."
You can do the same on Wii U since latest update, I've seen Wii U games and it depends from game to game if they utilize that option like Monster Hunter Tri Ultimate. I did not say that it is a substitute and it can display more detail, also if you can't handle two screens while gaming then are you capable enough to drive a car? Also more clearer screen without obstructing view increases chances of detecting things on corner of the screen that normally are obstructed by hud. FOV is important.
"The pro controller doesn't work with every game and the WIi controller flat out doesn't feel right for many games. With the WiiU you can't just plug in these and say "hey I'm gonna use this controller". Developers need to make it function and there are few who are gonna do that because every WiiU has the gamepad but not every one has the Pro controller. It'll be poorly supported."
I agree, if some game mehanics needs gamepad you can still control most of the game with Pro Controller and use gamepad for games specific features, you can use Pro for regular gameplay elements and inventory/maps, Wii controller can be used though it is not widely supported but you can play Wii games on Wii U.
"So you think Sony and MS won't focus on the PS4 and XB1 systems next year? You think only Nintendo is going to try doing anything? Besides, if the new Zelda and a new Metroid game were coming we would know of it. They are years away and that means they are loosing sales right now. Every title that isn't from Nintendo will be better on PC(if a version comes), PS4, XB1. It's a sad fact that you must learn to understand"
No, but they will still support Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 for next 3 years so it will take some focus from Playstation 4 and Xbox One and Sony has also Vita that will take part from Playstation 4. Also we would not know if new metroid or zelda is coming because Nintendo's secrecy is comparable to Apple and just because they don't share every detail that does not mean that it is years away plus why spoil the surprise, they will reveal it when they really need it or when it is strategically viable move and that is not needed since one exclusive is out this month and a major one is out next month plus bundles are out next month so sales will rise.
I know that though you are so dumb enough that you can't conclude that I know that for years so you keep failing, keep hoping that you know things that I don't know. You act like that social reject on youtube.
"The 3ds has nothing to do with the WiiU. Just cause the 3ds sells doesn't automatically mean the Wiiu is going to sell the same way. People don't wish Nintendo to die cause they make good games, but their hardware has been below standards for years with gimmick controllers that don't work for a lot of games that people play."
3DS has to do with Wii U, they have similar concept and I did not claimed that so learn to read, I said that profit that they can get from 3DS is partially funding Wii U project eg filling the current gap and the money it bleeds for not thought that does not mean it is a failure because fortunes can easily change and same thing somewhat applied similar to Playstation 3.
If people don't wish to die then they should not wish for failure of their consoles thus creating a demise of the company that they supposedly don't want to die, also your argument involving hardware is invalid since hardware does not define quality nor standard of the games since all I saw from hardware getting stronger is better graphics but decline in quality of games and ineptitude of 3rd party and even 1st party developers.
Wii is Open GL 1.X and has 1/20 raw performance of Xbox 360 that is DirectX 9 or in Open GL that is 2.X and now you complain about Wii U that shrank the gap by 5 times?
Wii U is Open GL 4.3 and has 1/4 of Xbox One raw performance and when looking at API level they are basically on the same level except Xbox One supports DirectX 11.2 features while it is still Open GL 4.3... Now you complain about the disparity hardware wise even though it decreased by miles and not even terrible as Wii to Xbox 360.
A game that is properly optimized for Wii U and made for it will exceed Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 exclusives with ease and Super Mario 3D Wolrd shows that with lightning, shadows, water effects and detail.
"The logic is we gave it a chance, saw it was boring and then sold it when the price was right. If we waited...it would collect dust for 4 years until we get ONE game we actually want to play. Screw that. I sold mine cause I wanted an XB1 which has at least 3 games I will buy day one(Killer Instinct, Forza Motorsports 5, and Dead Rising 3) and at least 5 announced titles I am following that will be released for it (Crymson Dragon, Destiny, Halo, Kingdom Hearts 3, Star Wars Battlefront, D4) Some of those are also coming to PS4 which I will need to decide between but the point is there are more launch games I will play on both the XB1 and PS4 than an entire years library for the WiiU. It's really a no brainer there."
First of all it would not collect dust for 4 years, second there are more than supposed one game that is a must game so you are FOS, also Star Wars Battlefront will be on Wii U since Star Wars is Walt Disney's IP. When Xbox One gets released there will be 5-6 must have exclusives on Wii U and we already know 5 exclusives that will be on Wii U in 2014 so you are again FOS.
"Says you. My PS3 saw more use after I bought it than my Wii and WiiU did combined."
No... People that owned it from launch and/or observed the situation, plus all I hear about Wii U was valid for Playstation 3 and almost all reasons against Wii U were used early on Playstation 3.
"Your arguments are ridiculous."
My arguments are not ridiculous, they are valid and by doing proper research you would come to same conclusion if you were thinking out of the box and compare situations, history and factors.
I love people like you, you try and yet you need to try harder and then you go in denial like any regular person that I find on gamefaq's, youtube and other forums that got into a tornado of negative thoughts involving Nintendo and Wii U like a collective of shepps.
"Uh...Most of those are casual drawing games or re-releases of NES & SNES games we played more than 20 years ago. That's not exactly a strong showing. So you can play Punch-out on your WiiU gamepad? Big deal...too bad it has terrible input lag and becomes unplayable."
Actually a big freaking NO... I did not included any Virtual Console games nor any apps like Art Academy so thus again you are fail. You hate the Wii U and you must admit it otherwise you would not be that hostile and cherry picking things that have been solved by updates that you ignore.
You had the Wii and you bought Wii U with expectation that it is going to be terrible so you have pre-determined mindset thus your had pre-determined outcome rather than having an unbiased mindset though you allowed past experience to influence your experience with the console, you bite the trap of our regular human psychology so I can understand your reactions and I will understand your denial.
The Wii U had a significant software drought from January until August. Since then it has been picking up steam, but this has not been reflected in sales due to the continually bad press.
In my opinion, if you only could afford ONE system this holiday then I would take a serious look at the Wii U - provided you like the Nintendo first party games. There are quite a few good ones out now, and more on the horizon. IT is also getting most major third party games - the exception being ones from EA.
If you like online gaming then PS4/Xbox One should be a no-brainer.
The Wii U EShop is not bad - most of my Wii U games have been purchased through it. People seem to forget that you get 10% back on everything from that store. It's not huge and you can save more from non-digital editions, but if you prefer digital (I do) then it works great.
I agree with you, you are spot on...!