should i propose "nap time" at my local high school?

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: Gurck
That's you, Orsorum. People vary. It's also only your own opinion whether you had problems with it or not, as things often affect us in ways we're not aware of.

Well if the majority of the fvckin population can survive through high school, it's your own goddamn fault. stop being crybabies and start taking responsibility for your own choices/actions.

 

[Amorphus]

Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Grown-ups (for the most part) have these things called jobs where when they hire you, they usually tell you when to work. See, they won't tell you when to go to bed though. That's where it gets tricky. You have to figure it out for yourself. And if you can't figure it out, it usually means no more money from them to take care of yourself and your family.

Adults' bodies also don't need the amount of sleep that kids' bodies do. Which you would know. If only you could f*cking read :disgust:

Well Gurck, you could always approach your junior high school principal and propose 'nap time' there also.

:Kool-Ade;

Wow, just... wow. Lacking an actual argument you resort to an ad-hominem attack the likes of which I haven't heard since grade school. If you're being honest about being older than 18 and holding a fulltime job (which I highly doubt), what is it? Do you make minimum wage? I'm deeply saddened rather than angry.

You still haven't commented on how your argument had already been refuted. Which you'd know, had you read the thread :roll:

Can someone help me out here? Is it hypocrisy that this boy is talking about a "lacking of actual argument" from someone who he thens question age, job, and job quality?

Just because you canonized what you believe, doesn't mean it's unrefutable.

Here's an example:

You're a panty-waste. Refute that.

It can't be logically refuted unless he provides pictures of himself. He loses either way!


btw - Sleep should be something you plan. Don't blame your stupid jerk of a pineal gland for not letting you sleep because (oh no!) you don't have enough melatonin in your system. Whatever. So if the melatonin is released at around 11pm, then of course it's going to be there during the school day, right?

Geez, just sleep earlier. Lie down, close your eyes, and sleep. NOT THAT HARD.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Grown-ups (for the most part) have these things called jobs where when they hire you, they usually tell you when to work. See, they won't tell you when to go to bed though. That's where it gets tricky. You have to figure it out for yourself. And if you can't figure it out, it usually means no more money from them to take care of yourself and your family.

Adults' bodies also don't need the amount of sleep that kids' bodies do. Which you would know. If only you could f*cking read :disgust:

Well Gurck, you could always approach your junior high school principal and propose 'nap time' there also.

:Kool-Ade;

Wow, just... wow. Lacking an actual argument you resort to an ad-hominem attack the likes of which I haven't heard since grade school. If you're being honest about being older than 18 and holding a fulltime job (which I highly doubt), what is it? Do you make minimum wage? I'm deeply saddened rather than angry.

You still haven't commented on how your argument had already been refuted. Which you'd know, had you read the thread :roll:

Gurck, the point is in my argument that it is up to each of us to know when we should go to bed so that we can function properly the next day. Yes, I've read the entire thread and I agree that children need more sleep than adults. I'm not disputing that.

But, a high school student should be responsible enough (most of the time) to know that they need to go to bed at a decent hour if they're going to be worth anything the next day. If they don't get enough sleep, well that's the weekends are for. The OP was talking about high school students and not elementary school students.

While high school students aren't yet adults, they're not 8-year-olds either. Wanting or even expecting a 'nap-time' in high school is utterly ridiculous and will teach them nothing about how to allocate their time properly while in adulthood.

See, I knew you could be reasonable Apparently you're not aware of how strong a role hormones play in dictating our sleep patterns. You also seem the type to generalize based on your own experiences; not everyone can get in bed, shut the light, and be asleep - and it has nothing to do with discipline. I know, it's a shock - but you'll just have to trust me on that. The idea of nap time in high school isn't about learning to allocate time, it's about getting the sleep they're deprived of due to a starting time which goes against millions of years of evolution. While I'd personally think moving the starting time back by an hour or two would be a much better idea, I wasn't commenting on the idea so much as the educational institutions continued ignorance of the consensus research has come to and idiots who angrily make moronic comments on it such as "if I can do it a kid can", many of said comments having already been refuted further up in the thread (but reeding iz 2 hrd!!1!1) (and isn't the fact that so many haven't/couldn't read a good argument for what the OP is suggesting? )

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Kilgor
I have no idea how kids survived before people started doing studies on how bad they have it. Kids don't get enough sleep have low self esteem are too fat need more drugs to control. If the little maggots just went to bed on time ate a good balanced meals at home and were disciplined properly I?d bet you half of these so called problems would go away.

High schools have been starting at 7:30 for a few million years, eh?

 

[Amorphus]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Grown-ups (for the most part) have these things called jobs where when they hire you, they usually tell you when to work. See, they won't tell you when to go to bed though. That's where it gets tricky. You have to figure it out for yourself. And if you can't figure it out, it usually means no more money from them to take care of yourself and your family.

Adults' bodies also don't need the amount of sleep that kids' bodies do. Which you would know. If only you could f*cking read :disgust:

Well Gurck, you could always approach your junior high school principal and propose 'nap time' there also.

:Kool-Ade;

Wow, just... wow. Lacking an actual argument you resort to an ad-hominem attack the likes of which I haven't heard since grade school. If you're being honest about being older than 18 and holding a fulltime job (which I highly doubt), what is it? Do you make minimum wage? I'm deeply saddened rather than angry.

You still haven't commented on how your argument had already been refuted. Which you'd know, had you read the thread :roll:

Gurck, the point is in my argument that it is up to each of us to know when we should go to bed so that we can function properly the next day. Yes, I've read the entire thread and I agree that children need more sleep than adults. I'm not disputing that.

But, a high school student should be responsible enough (most of the time) to know that they need to go to bed at a decent hour if they're going to be worth anything the next day. If they don't get enough sleep, well that's the weekends are for. The OP was talking about high school students and not elementary school students.

While high school students aren't yet adults, they're not 8-year-olds either. Wanting or even expecting a 'nap-time' in high school is utterly ridiculous and will teach them nothing about how to allocate their time properly while in adulthood.

See, I knew you could be reasonable Apparently you're not aware of how strong a role hormones play in dictating our sleep patterns. You also seem the type to generalize based on your own experiences; not everyone can get in bed, shut the light, and be asleep - and it has nothing to do with discipline. I know, it's a shock - but you'll just have to trust me on that. The idea of nap time in high school isn't about learning to allocate time, it's about getting the sleep they're deprived of due to a starting time which goes against millions of years of evolution. While I'd personally think moving the starting time back by an hour or two would be a much better idea, I wasn't commenting on the idea so much as the educational institutions continued ignorance of the consensus research has come to and idiots who angrily make moronic comments on it such as "if I can do it a kid can", many of said comments having already been refuted further up in the thread (but reeding iz 2 hrd!!1!1) (and isn't the fact that so many haven't/couldn't read a good argument for what the OP is suggesting? )

You can also induce hormonal excretion, you know. If I envision Bruce Lee kicking ass in my head, then I start kicking ass in real life. That's how it works.

Lie down, close your eyes, and sleep. Shut up and sleep. I bet you could do it right now.

 

[Amorphus]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Kilgor
I have no idea how kids survived before people started doing studies on how bad they have it. Kids don't get enough sleep have low self esteem are too fat need more drugs to control. If the little maggots just went to bed on time ate a good balanced meals at home and were disciplined properly I?d bet you half of these so called problems would go away.

High schools have been starting at 7:30 for a few million years, eh?

No, just a few hundred.

 

[SackOfAllTrades]

I figured it out!

Most of the adults now were in high school before the internet was widely available. Thus we needed to masturbate to magazines whilst lying on our beds. This put us to sleep pretty quick thus giving us that refreshed feeling every morning.

Now most young adults have the internet for porn, thus neglecting them of the old "shoot and sleep" technique with the temptation of more chat/CS/etc thus making them stay up longer.

So my advice? Masturbate on your bed.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Amorphus
Geez, just sleep earlier. Lie down, close your eyes, and sleep. NOT THAT HARD.

For you. Only a chimp would assume others are exactly the same.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Kilgor
I have no idea how kids survived before people started doing studies on how bad they have it. Kids don't get enough sleep have low self esteem are too fat need more drugs to control. If the little maggots just went to bed on time ate a good balanced meals at home and were disciplined properly I?d bet you half of these so called problems would go away.

High schools have been starting at 7:30 for a few million years, eh?

Yes dumbass, my H.S. started at 7:30 A.M. and I didn't whine about it on internet.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Amorphus

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Kilgor
I have no idea how kids survived before people started doing studies on how bad they have it. Kids don't get enough sleep have low self esteem are too fat need more drugs to control. If the little maggots just went to bed on time ate a good balanced meals at home and were disciplined properly I?d bet you half of these so called problems would go away.

High schools have been starting at 7:30 for a few million years, eh?

No, just a few hundred.

ie. nowhere near long enough to adapt. Thanks for agreeing

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Xiety

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Kilgor
I have no idea how kids survived before people started doing studies on how bad they have it. Kids don't get enough sleep have low self esteem are too fat need more drugs to control. If the little maggots just went to bed on time ate a good balanced meals at home and were disciplined properly I?d bet you half of these so called problems would go away.

High schools have been starting at 7:30 for a few million years, eh?

Yes dumbass, my H.S. started at 7:30 A.M. and I didn't whine about it on internet.

this has nothing to do with the thread. And you're whining about me doing what you call 'whining'

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Grown-ups (for the most part) have these things called jobs where when they hire you, they usually tell you when to work. See, they won't tell you when to go to bed though. That's where it gets tricky. You have to figure it out for yourself. And if you can't figure it out, it usually means no more money from them to take care of yourself and your family.

Adults' bodies also don't need the amount of sleep that kids' bodies do. Which you would know. If only you could f*cking read :disgust:

Well Gurck, you could always approach your junior high school principal and propose 'nap time' there also.

:Kool-Ade;

Wow, just... wow. Lacking an actual argument you resort to an ad-hominem attack the likes of which I haven't heard since grade school. If you're being honest about being older than 18 and holding a fulltime job (which I highly doubt), what is it? Do you make minimum wage? I'm deeply saddened rather than angry.

You still haven't commented on how your argument had already been refuted. Which you'd know, had you read the thread :roll:

Gurck, the point is in my argument that it is up to each of us to know when we should go to bed so that we can function properly the next day. Yes, I've read the entire thread and I agree that children need more sleep than adults. I'm not disputing that.

But, a high school student should be responsible enough (most of the time) to know that they need to go to bed at a decent hour if they're going to be worth anything the next day. If they don't get enough sleep, well that's the weekends are for. The OP was talking about high school students and not elementary school students.

While high school students aren't yet adults, they're not 8-year-olds either. Wanting or even expecting a 'nap-time' in high school is utterly ridiculous and will teach them nothing about how to allocate their time properly while in adulthood.

See, I knew you could be reasonable Apparently you're not aware of how strong a role hormones play in dictating our sleep patterns. You also seem the type to generalize based on your own experiences; not everyone can get in bed, shut the light, and be asleep - and it has nothing to do with discipline. I know, it's a shock - but you'll just have to trust me on that. The idea of nap time in high school isn't about learning to allocate time, it's about getting the sleep they're deprived of due to a starting time which goes against millions of years of evolution. While I'd personally think moving the starting time back by an hour or two would be a much better idea, I wasn't commenting on the idea so much as the educational institutions continued ignorance of the consensus research has come to and idiots who angrily make moronic comments on it such as "if I can do it a kid can", many of said comments having already been refuted further up in the thread (but reeding iz 2 hrd!!1!1) (and isn't the fact that so many haven't/couldn't read a good argument for what the OP is suggesting? )

Yeah, you know. I'm not a human being. I'm actually a robot. There is some kind of trance-like voice that tells me in my head to just go to bed. (I made a rhyme! ) When I lie down, I've been trained to push this button on the lobe of my right ear and when I do, my power shuts down.

At a time that is pre-set by my jefe each day, I am woken with an electrical shock that jolts me upright from my dream-less state. I then proceed through my day performing the functions that have been set forth for me in my Main Menu.

My jefe just asked me to tell you something......"GROW THE HELL UP!"

 

[UnoSigmaPi]

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
I had nap time in high school, it was called government class.

I had that first period. That class put me to sleep.

 

[UnoSigmaPi]

Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster

Originally posted by: thirtythree
what the hell did that article have to do with my post?

lol whoops i hit quote instead of reply, i know its not impossible but how many people do you know actually end up sleeping at 9 or 10?

wait til you get a full time job.

Don't take this personally, but you're a typical teenager...a poor mix of existentialism and ignorance.

You want nap time? Go to college.

well said

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Amorphus

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Kilgor
I have no idea how kids survived before people started doing studies on how bad they have it. Kids don't get enough sleep have low self esteem are too fat need more drugs to control. If the little maggots just went to bed on time ate a good balanced meals at home and were disciplined properly I?d bet you half of these so called problems would go away.

High schools have been starting at 7:30 for a few million years, eh?

No, just a few hundred.

ie. nowhere near long enough to adapt. Thanks for agreeing

lol And people work the night shift and adjust within a few weeks, people adjust to early classes in university situations. The human sleep schedule is more malleable than you want to admit.

By the way, you never responded to my comment about the disease-ridden people I knew in high school who still seemed to have more self-control than you.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
My jefe just asked me to tell you something......"GROW THE HELL UP!"

Aw, how sweet Did he scratch his butt and pick at his 3 remaining teeth as he gave that bit of genius advice? I'm 26 & own my own business fwiw. Not that it matters, because as this thread has proven, it's far too easy for idiots to avoid the filters and grow to adulthood these days.

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
My jefe just asked me to tell you something......"GROW THE HELL UP!"

Aw, how sweet Did he scratch his butt and pick at his 3 remaining teeth as he gave that bit of genius advice? I'm 26 & own my own business fwiw. Not that it matters, because as this thread has proven, it's far too easy for idiots to avoid the filters and grow to adulthood these days.

I'm sad. You didn't quote the rest of my post.....

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Gurck
...as this thread has proven, it's far too easy for idiots to avoid the filters and grow to adulthood these days.

You're correct, you proved it last line quite nicely. Nice gay joke.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
lol And people work the night shift and adjust within a few weeks, people adjust to early classes in university situations. The human sleep schedule is more malleable than you want to admit.

By the way, you never responded to my comment about the disease-ridden people I knew in high school who still seemed to have more self-control than you.

Wasn't aware that everyone worked the night shift, I always thought "9-5" referred to daylight hours... Oh wait, what you're saying is that only an extremely small percentage of the population can & will do this? That it goes against nature so much that 99% of the population sleeps the same hours?

Your friends had problems unrelated to sleep, how does it relate to this thread?

 

[TreyRandom]

Originally posted by: Gurck

What is it that prevents you from getting 6½ to 9 hours of sleep a night?

Hormones; specificially, what time in the evening melatonin is released in relation to what time one must wake up for their morning obligations. Again, reading is a good thing. Try it some time.

I read plenty - why make sarcastic comments like that, Gurck? It does little for your argument.

If melatonin is the issue in this case, why not suggest to the school to start later and get out later? However, in this case, I have a feeling it's just simply a lack of sleep. I could be wrong.

 

[Turkish]

Should I propose "masturbation time" at my local high school?

i know you may think this is a joke, but i'm serious. i watched that ABC special last night about masturbation and i think something needs to be done. i'm considering doing research that would prove masturbation helps grades, health, etc and show to my school and propose that they offer a "jerk-off" room at my school so if students have free periods, they can relieve themselves. i really think the pros would outbalance the cons (cons being people would sometimes be late because their d!cks not want to get up, chicks wanting multiple orgasms, etc). What do you guys think? should i just bail on this because too many people would think this is a joke?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Orsorum
lol And people work the night shift and adjust within a few weeks, people adjust to early classes in university situations. The human sleep schedule is more malleable than you want to admit.

By the way, you never responded to my comment about the disease-ridden people I knew in high school who still seemed to have more self-control than you.

Wasn't aware that everyone worked the night shift, I always thought "9-5" referred to daylight hours... Oh wait, what you're saying is that only an extremely small percentage of the population can & will do this? That it goes against nature so much that 99% of the population sleeps the same hours?

Your friends had problems unrelated to sleep, how does it relate to this thread?

You're making this cry about the role nature plays, and people keep pointing out that discipline has more to do with it than you want to admit. Then you bring up a point about hormones (again, I went through it too) and I point out that I knew people with problems like OCD or bipolar who still managed to overcome their horrible, horrible hormones and *gasp* get to bed at a reasonable time.

I'm surprised you made it to adulthood, with the way you whine.

 

[Kilgor]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Kilgor
I have no idea how kids survived before people started doing studies on how bad they have it. Kids don't get enough sleep have low self esteem are too fat need more drugs to control. If the little maggots just went to bed on time ate a good balanced meals at home and were disciplined properly I?d bet you half of these so called problems would go away.

High schools have been starting at 7:30 for a few million years, eh?

Do you realize how easy kids have it now compared to past generations? Kids until the 30's and 40's got up before the sun came up and were in bed when it went down and worked in the fields or did other chores. All they do nowadays is Wake up at six go to school get babied by their teachers then come home watch TV or sit in front of a computer and wack off to Internet porn. Then they bitch about how they only got a Civic instead of an Altima from their parents. And they might have to get a job because Mom and Dad only give them $60 for gas and other useless maggot supplies.

 

[Amorphus]

Wait wait, but Gurck isn't even the OP...

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Kilgor

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Kilgor
I have no idea how kids survived before people started doing studies on how bad they have it. Kids don't get enough sleep have low self esteem are too fat need more drugs to control. If the little maggots just went to bed on time ate a good balanced meals at home and were disciplined properly I?d bet you half of these so called problems would go away.

High schools have been starting at 7:30 for a few million years, eh?

Do you realize how easy kids have it now compared to past generations? Kids until the 30's and 40's got up before the sun came up and were in bed when it went down and worked in the fields or did other chores. All they do nowadays is Wake up at six go to school get babied by their teachers then come home watch TV or sit in front of a computer and wack off to Internet porn. Then they bitch about how they only got a Civic instead of an Altima from their parents. And they might have to get a job because Mom and Dad only give them $60 for gas and other useless maggot supplies.

Agreed, for the most part. Just not on the issue of sleep.

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Orsorum
lol And people work the night shift and adjust within a few weeks, people adjust to early classes in university situations. The human sleep schedule is more malleable than you want to admit.

By the way, you never responded to my comment about the disease-ridden people I knew in high school who still seemed to have more self-control than you.

Wasn't aware that everyone worked the night shift, I always thought "9-5" referred to daylight hours... Oh wait, what you're saying is that only an extremely small percentage of the population can & will do this? That it goes against nature so much that 99% of the population sleeps the same hours?

Your friends had problems unrelated to sleep, how does it relate to this thread?

You're making this cry about the role nature plays, and people keep pointing out that discipline has more to do with it than you want to admit. Then you bring up a point about hormones (again, I went through it too) and I point out that I knew people with problems like OCD or bipolar who still managed to overcome their horrible, horrible hormones and *gasp* get to bed at a reasonable time.

I'm surprised you made it to adulthood, with the way you whine.

Yet, you whining about me is ok?

And again, OCD and bipolar aren't sleep disorders. Your examples have no place in this discussion.

Originally posted by: Amorphus
Wait wait, but Gurck isn't even the OP...

Newp, just is something I feel strongly about.