should i propose "nap time" at my local high school?

[TreyRandom]

Originally posted by: Amorphus
Wait wait, but Gurck isn't even the OP...

This could possibly be called a "thread hijack". It's sortakinda on topic... but the thread may be going a slightly different direction than Wheatmaster intended.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Yet, you whining about me is ok?

And again, OCD and bipolar aren't sleep disorders. Your examples have no place in this discussion.

So what's an example of a sleep disorder?

And I'm whining in response to your whining.

 

[Gurck]

You're whining about me making a legitimate complaint, imo. A sleep "disorder" in this case would be having normal sleeping patterns for kids of that age, I guess. My point is that your examples mean nothing to this discussion. I'm sorry your friends had/have it so hard, but I fail to see how it relates to a discussion on sleeping patterns determined by nature and an arbitrary time set for high schools to start.

 

[SackOfAllTrades]

haha dayam, they is straight deletin the parodies

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Gurck
You're whining about me making a legitimate complaint, imo. A sleep "disorder" in this case would be having normal sleeping patterns for kids of that age, I guess. My point is that your examples mean nothing to this discussion. I'm sorry your friends had/have it so hard, but I fail to see how it relates to a discussion on sleeping patterns determined by nature and an arbitrary time set for high schools to start.

That sleep disorder is one that has existed for several hundred years (in terms of early waking times for American secondary schools). My mom and her 15 siblings grew up on a farm and they all became accustomed to waking around 5:30AM. Does this mean they're abnormal?

By your logic you could also say that teenagers shouldn't be expected to be sexually responsible. After all, their hormones determine their behavior, right?

 

[SackOfAllTrades]

Originally posted by: Orsorum


By your logic you could also say that teenagers shouldn't be expected to be sexually responsible. After all, their hormones determine their behavior, right?

hence "masturbation time" at all public high schools

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades

Originally posted by: Orsorum


By your logic you could also say that teenagers shouldn't be expected to be sexually responsible. After all, their hormones determine their behavior, right?

hence "masturbation time" at all public high schools

See? This all works out!

 

[z0mb13]

omg my thread is deleted!!



sorry mods!

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades

Originally posted by: Orsorum


By your logic you could also say that teenagers shouldn't be expected to be sexually responsible. After all, their hormones determine their behavior, right?

hence "masturbation time" at all public high schools

See? This all works out!

But will it be divided into boys masturbation rooms and girls masturbation rooms? Or will it be a unisex masturbation room? Need more info.

 

[SackOfAllTrades]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades

Originally posted by: Orsorum


By your logic you could also say that teenagers shouldn't be expected to be sexually responsible. After all, their hormones determine their behavior, right?

hence "masturbation time" at all public high schools

See? This all works out!

But will it be divided into boys masturbation rooms and girls masturbation rooms? Or will it be a unisex masturbation room? Need more info.

...KFC?

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades

Originally posted by: Orsorum


By your logic you could also say that teenagers shouldn't be expected to be sexually responsible. After all, their hormones determine their behavior, right?

hence "masturbation time" at all public high schools

See? This all works out!

But will it be divided into boys masturbation rooms and girls masturbation rooms? Or will it be a unisex masturbation room? Need more info.

...KFC?

:beer:

 

[johnjohn320]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Go to bed earlier.

As a recent graduate of high school, all I can say is that was usually impossible. My day usually consisted of class, after-school activities (school-related that is), work, practice (musician), and homework. Even eating dinner on the fly would still put me to bed at 11 at the earliest. School started at 6:50.

My 2 cents.

edit-and I know someone's gonna make a crack about my post count-keep in mind most of that was legitimately accumulated during weekends, breaks, summer, and/or before my junior year.

 

[TreyRandom]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades

Originally posted by: Orsorum


By your logic you could also say that teenagers shouldn't be expected to be sexually responsible. After all, their hormones determine their behavior, right?

hence "masturbation time" at all public high schools

See? This all works out!

But will it be divided into boys masturbation rooms and girls masturbation rooms? Or will it be a unisex masturbation room? Need more info.

No sense in wasting a perfectly good opportunity for sex education.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: johnjohn320

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Go to bed earlier.

As a recent graduate of high school, all I can say is that was usually impossible. My day usually consisted of class, after-school activities (school-related that is), work, practice (musician), and homework. Even eating dinner on the fly would still put me to bed at 11 at the earliest. School started at 6:50.

My 2 cents.

Couple thoughts: yes, 6:50AM is way too early. I think my high school started at 7:45 or 7:50, something like that. Second, after-school activities are optional; I had to curtail many of my extra-curriculars in high school to make time for work.

 

[TreyRandom]

Originally posted by: johnjohn320

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Go to bed earlier.

As a recent graduate of high school, all I can say is that was usually impossible. My day usually consisted of class, after-school activities (school-related that is), work, practice (musician), and homework. Even eating dinner on the fly would still put me to bed at 11 at the earliest. School started at 6:50.

My 2 cents.

edit-and I know someone's gonna make a crack about my post count-keep in mind most of that was legitimately accumulated during weekends, breaks, summer, and/or before my junior year.

The after-school activities, work, and practice were obviously more important to you than getting to sleep earlier. Nothing wrong with that... but that was your choice to make. Unless you've got some really strict parents, no one forced you to do those things.

 

[Gurck]

You kids done with the silly jokes yet?

Originally posted by: TreyRandom
The after-school activities, work, and practice were obviously more important to you than getting to sleep earlier. Nothing wrong with that... but that was your choice to make. Unless you've got some really strict parents, no one forced you to do those things.

Maybe he just wanted to succeed? The point of school is, after all, to provide kids with the best foundation possible for adulthood, which means continuation of education at college for many. Colleges put a lot of stock in after school activities. It can mean the difference between acceptance & rejection at a school of choice, and also can mean scholarships.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Gurck
You kids done with the silly jokes yet?

Originally posted by: TreyRandom
The after-school activities, work, and practice were obviously more important to you than getting to sleep earlier. Nothing wrong with that... but that was your choice to make. Unless you've got some really strict parents, no one forced you to do those things.

Maybe he just wanted to succeed? The point of school is, after all, to provide kids with the best foundation possible for adulthood, which means continuation of education at college for many. Colleges put a lot of stock in after school activities. It can mean the difference between acceptance & rejection at a school of choice, and also can mean scholarships.

So what would moving the high school start time back do for him?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
That sleep disorder is one that has existed for several hundred years (in terms of early waking times for American secondary schools). My mom and her 15 siblings grew up on a farm and they all became accustomed to waking around 5:30AM. Does this mean they're abnormal?

By your logic you could also say that teenagers shouldn't be expected to be sexually responsible. After all, their hormones determine their behavior, right?

I'm waiting for a response to this post.

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: Gurck
You kids done with the silly jokes yet?

What's the bird of peace?

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: Orsorum
That sleep disorder is one that has existed for several hundred years (in terms of early waking times for American secondary schools). My mom and her 15 siblings grew up on a farm and they all became accustomed to waking around 5:30AM. Does this mean they're abnormal?

By your logic you could also say that teenagers shouldn't be expected to be sexually responsible. After all, their hormones determine their behavior, right?

I'm waiting for a response to this post.

You want a serious response to a childish joke? Ok, why not?

1) Kids can use protection and be safely at the mercy of hormones
2) Kids can get out of the situation; say no and leave. Can't simply say yes and fall asleep on cue.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: Orsorum
That sleep disorder is one that has existed for several hundred years (in terms of early waking times for American secondary schools). My mom and her 15 siblings grew up on a farm and they all became accustomed to waking around 5:30AM. Does this mean they're abnormal?

By your logic you could also say that teenagers shouldn't be expected to be sexually responsible. After all, their hormones determine their behavior, right?

I'm waiting for a response to this post.

You want a serious response to a childish joke? Ok, why not?

1) Kids can use protection and be safely at the mercy of hormones
2) Kids can get out of the situation; say no and leave. Can't simply say yes and fall asleep on cue.

1) kids can use routine and control their hormonal urge to wake up later.
2) Kids can use discipline and say "no" to more tv and go to bed earlier. Can't simply stay up late on cue.

So was my mom's family abnormal because they woke up before 6AM and were doing chores and other farm stuff for the majority of their childhoods?

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
1) kids can use routine and control their hormonal urge to wake up later.
2) Kids can use discipline and say "no" to more tv and go to bed earlier. Can't simply stay up late on cue.

So was my mom's family abnormal because they woke up before 6AM and were doing chores and other farm stuff for the majority of their childhoods?

In my case there was no lack of discipline or bad routine, no too-important friends to stay up to hang out with, no too-important video games to play or tv shows to watch, etc. Often would lay in bed for many hours, sometimes even all night. Does trying concertedly to do something for 6-8 hours constitute lack of discipline? Your mom's family likely grew up to be and raise people who scoff at anyone not exactly like them, who think everyone's the same, etc. At least, going by leap of logic and the example you've provided. I'd call that abnormal, yes.

 

[TreyRandom]

Originally posted by: Gurck
You kids done with the silly jokes yet?

Originally posted by: TreyRandom
The after-school activities, work, and practice were obviously more important to you than getting to sleep earlier. Nothing wrong with that... but that was your choice to make. Unless you've got some really strict parents, no one forced you to do those things.

Maybe he just wanted to succeed? The point of school is, after all, to provide kids with the best foundation possible for adulthood, which means continuation of education at college for many. Colleges put a lot of stock in after school activities. It can mean the difference between acceptance & rejection at a school of choice, and also can mean scholarships.

That's perfectly fine - I said there was nothing inherently wrong with his decision. I certainly understand the drive to excel (and, sometimes, play), even at the sacrifice of sleep.

But, back to your original melatonin argument, if school started later to compensate for the melatonin cycle, naturally it would have to end later, thereby reducing that valuable after-school activity/work/practice time. After all, the sleep starting time would need to remain the same, wouldn't it? Certainly you wouldn't advocate that someone like JohnJohn stay awake later to get that extra stuff done, past their peak melatonin release time?

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: TreyRandom

Originally posted by: Gurck
You kids done with the silly jokes yet?

Originally posted by: TreyRandom
The after-school activities, work, and practice were obviously more important to you than getting to sleep earlier. Nothing wrong with that... but that was your choice to make. Unless you've got some really strict parents, no one forced you to do those things.

Maybe he just wanted to succeed? The point of school is, after all, to provide kids with the best foundation possible for adulthood, which means continuation of education at college for many. Colleges put a lot of stock in after school activities. It can mean the difference between acceptance & rejection at a school of choice, and also can mean scholarships.

That's perfectly fine - I said there was nothing inherently wrong with his decision. I certainly understand the drive to excel (and, sometimes, play), even at the sacrifice of sleep.

But, back to your original melatonin argument, if school started later to compensate for the melatonin cycle, naturally it would have to end later, thereby reducing that valuable after-school activity/work/practice time. After all, the sleep starting time would need to remain the same, wouldn't it? Certainly you wouldn't advocate that someone like JohnJohn stay awake later to get that extra stuff done, past their peak melatonin release time?

What to do with after-school hours is a choice - hormones aren't. Further, lack of sleep affects the rest of the day adversely.

 

[TreyRandom]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Orsorum
1) kids can use routine and control their hormonal urge to wake up later.
2) Kids can use discipline and say "no" to more tv and go to bed earlier. Can't simply stay up late on cue.

So was my mom's family abnormal because they woke up before 6AM and were doing chores and other farm stuff for the majority of their childhoods?

In my case there was no lack of discipline or bad routine, no too-important friends to stay up to hang out with, no too-important video games to play or tv shows to watch, etc. Often would lay in bed for many hours, sometimes even all night. Does trying concertedly to do something for 6-8 hours constitute lack of discipline? Your mom's family likely grew up to be and raise people who scoff at anyone not exactly like them, who think everyone's the same, etc. At least, going by leap of logic and the example you've provided. I'd call that abnormal, yes.

But, Gurck, you're assuming that MOST people have the same sleeping problems you had. That's simply not the case. Most kids hit the bed exhausted and fall right to sleep... as did I, when I had the sense to stop playing on the computer at 2:30 in the morning and go to bed.