should i propose "nap time" at my local high school?

Wheatmaster

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i know you may think this is a joke, but i'm serious. i watched that ABC special last night about sleep and i think something needs to be done. i'm considering doing research that would prove sleep helps grades, health, etc and show to my school and propose that they offer a "nap room" at my school so if students have free periods, they can get some rest. i really think the pros would outbalance the cons (cons being people would sometimes be late, not want to get up, etc). What do you guys think? should i just bail on this because too many people would think this is a joke?
 

Xionide

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Yes, We learned about sleep in my psychology class with high school students and it is defninatly a problem. The average high schooler gets ~6 hours of sleep when we need 8-10.

-Xionide
 

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Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
i know you may think this is a joke, but i'm serious. i watched that ABC special last night about sleep and i think something needs to be done. i'm considering doing research that would prove sleep helps grades, health, etc and show to my school and propose that they offer a "nap room" at my school so if students have free periods, they can get some rest. i really think the pros would outbalance the cons (cons being people would sometimes be late, not want to get up, etc). What do you guys think? should i just bail on this because too many people would think this is a joke?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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thirtythree

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if you want to get laughed at, yeah. I highly doubt they give a shat what your research says.
 

thirtythree

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Originally posted by: Xionide
Yes, We learned about sleep in my psychology class with high school students and it is defninatly a problem. The average high schooler gets ~6 hours of sleep when we need 8-10.

-Xionide
it's their own fault though. letting them sleep during school isn't going to help.
 

thirtythree

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Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Go to bed earlier.

if you were in high school, they you would know that is physically and mentally not possible.
deal with life then? edit: and it's NOT impossible. I just graduated from high school, so I probably would know.
 

Wheatmaster

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Originally posted by: thirtythree
Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Go to bed earlier.

if you were in high school, they you would know that is physically and mentally not possible.
deal with life then? edit: and it's NOT impossible. I just graduated from high school, so I probably would know.

How Much Sleep Is Enough?

By Erica Heilman

N E W Y O R K ? Parents can attest to the virtues of a good night's sleep, and with frequent awakenings by small children, these nights are often in short supply. In fact, most people are familiar with the effects of a less-than-restful night. But what is it about sleep that we need? And how much sleep is enough to restore us?

Though it is still not entirely clear why we sleep, it is clear what happens if we don't. Below, Dr. Rafael Pelayo of Stanford University's Sleep Disorder Clinic talks about sleep requirements, the dangers of sleep deprivation, and false assumptions that people make about the meaning of sleeplessness.

How much sleep do people need?
The ballpark figure is eight hours. But the more important question is: Do you wake up feeling refreshed and full of energy or not? There are some people who only seem to feel refreshed after 6½ hours of sleep, where others need 9 hours.

What are the benefits of sleep?
Nobody really knows why we sleep. The simplest answer is that sleep restores our body, restores our minds, and helps us think better. There are theories that nighttime dreams help us to consolidate our memories. There are other theories about how sleep electrically recharges the brain and restores brain chemicals to their proper levels.

What is the difference between being sleepy and tired?
If I got up and did a hundred jumping jacks, I might feel tired, but I wouldn't feel sleepy. Sleepiness is a feeling of lack of sleep, obviously, and tiredness is a feeling of physical fatigue.

Does everyone have the same sleep requirements?
No. It varies, not only in the amount of sleep, but the timing of sleep. There are true night owls and true morning larks. Some people are genetically inclined to be morning people and others seem to be set up to be night people. There are short sleepers and long sleepers. Some require more sleep than average and some seem to require less than average to feel refreshed and energized.

Do we need more or less sleep as we age?
You should never need more sleep as you age. If, in your youth, you thought you performed well at seven hours of sleep, you should not need 7½ or 8 as an older adult. If you find that your sleep demand increases, then you are probably compensating for a decreased quality of sleep. And when we think about sleep, it's important to think not just about the amount of sleep, but the quality as well.

What happens in the body when we don't get enough sleep?
The first thing that happens if you don't get enough sleep is you have problems with your memory and concentration. Usually there are word-finding difficulties ? you can't find the words you are thinking of. People also get irritable with lack of sleep.

At its extreme, sleep deprivation can lead to death ? for example, lab rats die of infection if they are sleep deprived. So we know that sleep is somehow related to the immune system. It restores the body physically.

Are there biochemical changes that result from sleep deprivation?
Yes. There are neurotransmitters that are altered. And certain hormones ? growth hormone for instance, which is involved in our metabolism ? is secreted in our sleep; it peaks in our sleep. So one of the signs of poor sleep in children, for instance, is stunted growth.

What is the economic impact of sleep deprivation in the United States?
We think that the cost to society of sleep disorders is approximately $90 billion. That includes lost productivity, absenteeism at work, people getting into accidents, the cost of medications for sleeping pills or for stimulants ? all these things cost money.

How does poor quality of sleep affect quality of life?
The true impact of unsatisfactory sleep on the quality of life of individuals is probably impossible to calculate. It's often said, "If mama ain't happy, nobody's happy." If somebody in the family does not sleep, it affects the entire family. Children tiptoe around the house not to disturb the mother; she may feel bad because she doesn't want to disturb the family; the family won't make plans for the next day until they see how their non-sleeping member feels. And the more they try to make the problem better, the worse it gets, the more frustration the family feels.

And I've met many couples in my work; I've never met two insomniacs married to one another. There are higher divorce rates in people with sleep problems. So it impacts the entire family.

Often people who are sleep deprived don't feel they're performing their jobs adequately. Their concentration and memory is impaired, and they make mistakes. They get irritable.

Are there stigmas attached to people who have difficulty sleeping?
The stigma is that if you can't sleep, you must be depressed, and that's simply not true. And certainly, a lot of people with depression have insomnia. But most people with insomnia are not depressed. But unfortunately, if a 30-year-old woman goes to a doctor's office and says that she can't sleep, she's more likely to walk out with a prescription for an antidepressant than a referral for a sleep evaluation with a specialist, and that's simply not fair.

People also often feel that their sleep issues are a problem that's in their head and they should be able to figure it out on their own. People don't realize that they can be helped and that there are physicians who specialize in sleep problems. Often people go to their primary care physician, do not receive a satisfactory answer and then just move on to something else, for example, an over-the-counter remedy or alcohol.

What they should really do is if they're not satisfied with the doctor's recommendations, they should ask to speak to a specialist. Sleep conditions do improve and people should not be embarrassed about this problem. Virtually all the patients with insomnia will improve when their problem is addressed correctly.
 

Wheatmaster

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Originally posted by: thirtythree
what the hell did that article have to do with my post?

lol whoops i hit quote instead of reply, i know its not impossible but how many people do you know actually end up sleeping at 9 or 10?
 

SackOfAllTrades

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Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
Originally posted by: thirtythree
Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Go to bed earlier.

if you were in high school, they you would know that is physically and mentally not possible.
deal with life then? edit: and it's NOT impossible. I just graduated from high school, so I probably would know.

How Much Sleep Is Enough?

By Erica Heilman


And I've met many couples in my work; I've never met two insomniacs married to one another. There are higher divorce rates in people with sleep problems. So it impacts the entire family.

hahah OK.......
 

thirtythree

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Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
Originally posted by: thirtythree
Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Go to bed earlier.

if you were in high school, they you would know that is physically and mentally not possible.
deal with life then? edit: and it's NOT impossible. I just graduated from high school, so I probably would know.

How Much Sleep Is Enough?

By Erica Heilman


And I've met many couples in my work; I've never met two insomniacs married to one another. There are higher divorce rates in people with sleep problems. So it impacts the entire family.

hahah OK.......
lol
 

SackOfAllTrades

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Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
Originally posted by: thirtythree
what the hell did that article have to do with my post?

lol whoops i hit quote instead of reply, i know its not impossible but how many people do you know actually end up sleeping at 9 or 10?

wait til you get a full time job.

Don't take this personally, but you're a typical teenager...a poor mix of existentialism and ignorance.

You want nap time? Go to college.
 

erikiksaz

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If nap time is put into play at high school, i have a feeling that there'll be a positive correlation to teen pregnancy. Horny testosterone pumped teens sleeping next to each other?
 
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While sleep deprivation is a problem, it should be up to the kids themselves to get the right amount of sleep. So many teenagers want to be treated as adults, so they should start showing they can be adults and go to bed and get enough sleep.

In high school I usually got approximately 4 3/4 hours of sleep. Despite this, I had no problem with high school homework, etc. I Just do not think that high school is hard enough to warrant a nap time so that all the irresponsible kids who stay up half the night chatting on AIM in useless converastions that degrade their grammar skills can get a little shut eye.

Also, this will probably lead into when these people go to get actual jobs. They'll feel that since they got a naptime in high school they deserve one at their job.

I do think it could possibly be a good idea, but I think it could also cause many more problems.
 

Turkish

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well those highschool kids need some discipline then. i am a senior in college and get 3-4 hours of sleep/day average. if i can survive, they should survive.
 

sash1

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dumbest idea ever. Seriously, they proposed a later start time for high schools, but that would just mean that we'd go to bed later and then sports would become a problem, because they'd start too late and end too late.

I get ~8 hours of sleep every night (I'm a hgih schooler, officially a senior tomorrow ). I go to bed ~10:00 each night and wake up at 6:00. The best thing would be if kids weren't such good procrastinators (I'm guilty of it too), and not have to pull all-nighters, or close to one, jsut to finish a large paper. I had to stay up till 4:00am one day to finish my 15 page English paper.

Students are in complete control of how much sleep they get, so all I'm saying is that it's there fault. Plenty of my friends choose to stay up and watch the baseball/hockey/basketball game (myself included) instead of going to sleep. It's completely the students fault that we're tired at school.

They've proposed ways to correct it, but the current system is probably the best.

`K
 

clicknext

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Go for it. Some companies do that, a lot of universities do, why shouldn't high schools consider it too?
 

Gurck

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I couldn't agree more. I had to drop physics my senior year since it was first period and I simply couldn't wake up on time (school started at 7:30). I shared second period that year between physics lab and gym, which I came close to failing due to absences. I failed (teacher gave me a 65, but I really failed) calc that year, which I had third period. Same thing with 4th period English... On top of getting a 58 average, I gave that teacher hell on the few occasions I was awake Was pretty nice of him to pass me hehehe... It didn't help my GPA, which ended up 3.4. I could have done a lot better. It's a sad state of affairs when the educational institution is full of the "we know best, research is wrong" mentality

For those who have no idea what this is about and didn't bother reading: Kids & young adults just literally need more sleep. At younger ages this is usually OK because their bodies release melatonin (sleep hormone) earlier, causing them to be zonked by 9-10, and grade & middle schools usually start later than HS. But it doesn't start till 11 for many high-school age kids, and they might not be asleep till midnight. Nothing to do with discipline, just physiology. Then they have to wake up after 6-7 hours for school, when their bodies in that stage of development need 9-10. This holds true till growth stops completely, afaik, which can be as late as 20/21.
 

cw42

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who needs an official nap time? how old are u like 11? millions of people have gone through hs without it and have done just fine. just suck it up and wait til u get home to nap.


Originally posted by: clicknext
Go for it. Some companies do that, a lot of universities do, why shouldn't high schools consider it too?

what univ do this?
 
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