Should I suck it up and buy a 1070

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OCNewbie

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The 1070 is already approaching the MSRP of $389 just look at this example

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126112

I bought this Gigabyte GTX 1070 yesterday for $374.99 (after $25 paypal promo code):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125875&ignorebbr=1

I had a $100 newegg giftcard from a groupon I got a while ago. It also included a year of Newegg Premier, and it only cost $90 total (for both). So, technically I got the card for $365 shipped. I'd say that's a pretty good deal (yes, this is basically just me bragging).
 

RussianSensation

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The GTX 980 TI SC ran well on my new Dell U3415W ultrawide 3440 x 1440 and the GTX 1080 makes it scream. I now have the GTX980TI SC on my BenQ BL3200PT which is 2560 x 1440 and it is also very fast.

I still don't understand why everyone keeps pushing the OP to get the GTX1080. I am shocked it's coming from you too considering you actually have a 980Ti -- a card that cost $650+ just 12 months ago and can now be had for $370 easy. Do you think somehow GTX1080 won't suffer the same fate over the next 12-18 months? Volta is 2018. This happens every generation as high-end levels of performance migrate to mid-range and then low-end. In just 4 years, look at the performance delta between a GTX680/770 and a 1080 = 3-5X!








Almost no PC gamer should ever buy a $600-700 USD AMD/NV gaming videocard unless he/she instead to upgrade within the next 12-18 months because it's a giant money pit. The 2nd from the top x70 series (or AMD's 2nd from the top) usually delivers 80-90% of the performance for a fraction of the cost. Does the OP meet the cretiera of a $600-700 x80 series buyer that upgrades every 12-18 months? No.

First, his primary concern is upgrading for Doom. In Doom under Vulkan, RX 480 under Vulkan achives 83 FPS at 1440p and 112 fps at 1080p.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uoanTrMenI

That means for that game, no need to spend any more than $200-240.

Second, anyone who has purchased a GTX770 and kept it for that long automatically doesn't fall into the group of buyers who upgrades to the latest and greatest every generation. That means for this type of buyer, a GTX1080 is the worst way to spend $ to keep his/her PC up to date.

$699 780Ti -> 10 months later $329 970
$649 980Ti -> 12 months later $399 GTX1070 (and GTX980Ti goes for $370)

The 770 came out 3 years ago. In that time we went from a $699 GTX780Ti to having a faster card in the $250 RX 480/1060.

It absolutely doesn't make any sense to buy $600-700 graphics card to hang onto for 3-4 years to play games like Doom that run perfectly on a $200 graphics card.

I don't think I could stomach multiple gpu with that kind of scaling in new games at 4k where the cpu should matter least.

It's not about thinking or emotions. It's about cold hard logic and stats.

A reference $700 1080 FE is only 12% faster than an after-market $400 1070. Max overclocked, 1080 beats 1070 by only 20-22% or so. If you look at the benchmarks at 3440x1440/4K, a single 1080 isn't fast enough. So what's the point of paying extra for the 1080 over the 1070 for those gaming monitors? None. Might as well go 1070 and lower settings a bit OR go 1070/1080 SLI right off the bat.

I get it that there is a faithful following of NV's flagship cards on this and other forums and a lot of these gamers hate SLI/CF and that's fine. But looking at the rate at which the OP upgrades, buying flagship NV cards is clearly not aligned with his upgrading strategy. If he actually wants to spend $600-700 to "future proof" for 4-5 years, might as well spend $800 and go 1070 SLI. However, he is better off buying a GTX1070 (or for Doom even a 480/1060) and then getting a new $300-400 GPU in 2.5-3 years from now. I guarantee it that GTX1080 will never outlast a 1070 in next gen games. Both cards same VRAM, both lack proper DX12 Async Compute, both perform very close to each other but one costs an arm and a leg more (that can be put aside towards a next gen GPU that will be 50-70% faster than the 1070). OP still has a 770. If he was the type of gamer who buys $600-700 GPUs regularly, he would have had GTX680 -> GTX780/780Ti -> GTX980Ti/1080. Instead he got a 770 which likely means he isn't the target market for a 1080.

There has never been a time in GPU history in the last 2 decades where buying a $500-1000 flagship GPU for gaming and holding onto it for 4-5 years was wroth it - never. This strategy has never worked, ever.

GTX480 never outlasted the 470
GTX580 never outlasted the 570
GTX680 never outlasted the 670
GTX980 never outlasted the 970

By the time next gen hardware comes out, $500-1000 GPU level of performance is available in a card 1/2 the price. By the time next generation games come out, the types of buyers who buy $600+ GPUs will have upgraded to the next generation high-end card and Volta is only 2 years away (and if they didn't, they don't know how to upgrade their PC wisely and buy based on emotions not logic). It's exactly why NV bifirucated the generation into 2 halves now because they realized they can get their high-end buyers to upgrade twice in the same generation (780Ti -> 980Ti and soon 1080 -> 1080Ti).
 
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sze5003

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I would say if your primary concern is to play doom, a 1070 or Rx 480 will do you fine.

If you play at 1440p the 1070 may be better considering you will play other games too. If at 1080p I could just get a custom Rx 480 and be on my way.

What we've seen is the amd cards enjoy better performance over time whereas unless you have one of the higher end nvidia cards, performance over time decreases. Maybe because their driver team spends a lot of time focusing on sli which takes a while.

They don't have to do it so much now that the 1060 doesn't support sli or maybe they do that for marketing purposes so they can release the fastest/best first the next wave comes in. Who knows for sure but that's my opinion based on what I have read.

So keep that in mind how long you plan on keeping the card. 1070 if longer than 3 years, 480 if you don't want to spend that much and maybe upgrade to a high end in a year or two.
 

SteveGrabowski

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It's not about thinking or emotions. It's about cold hard logic and stats.

A reference $700 1080 FE is only 12% faster than an after-market $400 1070. Max overclocked, 1080 beats 1070 by only 20-22% or so. If you look at the benchmarks at 3440x1440/4K, a single 1080 isn't fast enough. So what's the point of paying extra for the 1080 over the 1070 for those gaming monitors? None. Might as well go 1070 and lower settings a bit OR go 1070/1080 SLI right off the bat.

I get it that there is a faithful following of NV's flagship cards on this and other forums and a lot of these gamers hate SLI/CF and that's fine. But looking at the rate at which the OP upgrades, buying flagship NV cards is clearly not aligned with his upgrading strategy. If he actually wants to spend $600-700 to "future proof" for 4-5 years, might as well spend $800 and go 1070 SLI. However, he is better off buying a GTX1070 (or for Doom even a 480/1060) and then getting a new $300-400 GPU in 2.5-3 years from now. I guarantee it that GTX1080 will never outlast a 1070 in next gen games. Both cards same VRAM, both lack proper DX12 Async Compute, both perform very close to each other but one costs an arm and a leg more (that can be put aside towards a next gen GPU that will be 50-70% faster than the 1070). OP still has a 770. If he was the type of gamer who buys $600-700 GPUs regularly, he would have had GTX680 -> GTX780/780Ti -> GTX980Ti/1080. Instead he got a 770 which likely means he isn't the target market for a 1080.

There has never been a time in GPU history in the last 2 decades where buying a $500-1000 flagship GPU for gaming and holding onto it for 4-5 years was wroth it - never. This strategy has never worked, ever.

GTX480 never outlasted the 470
GTX580 never outlasted the 570
GTX680 never outlasted the 670
GTX980 never outlasted the 970

By the time next gen hardware comes out, $500-1000 GPU level of performance is available in a card 1/2 the price. By the time next generation games come out, the types of buyers who buy $600+ GPUs will have upgraded to the next generation high-end card and Volta is only 2 years away (and if they didn't, they don't know how to upgrade their PC wisely and buy based on emotions not logic). It's exactly why NV bifirucated the generation into 2 halves now because they realized they can get their high-end buyers to upgrade twice in the same generation (780Ti -> 980Ti and soon 1080 -> 1080Ti).

I'm not trying to defend the 1080, but I'd never go multi GPU with how poor support has been in recent games.
 

RadiclDreamer

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I finally found a 1080 G1 from Gigabyte at newegg, had to do one of the stupid bundles with a cheap mouse for $660 which was only about $10 above MSRP. I hadnt planned to pull the trigger so quick, but I woke up this morning and found that my desktop didnt want to power on. Im assuming dead board or dead power supply, but I digress. Im feeling like I spent a bit too much, but honestly I dont have a whole lot of hobbies other than gaming so less than 2k every 3rd year isnt too bad for my hobby.
 
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I finally found a 1080 G1 from Gigabyte at newegg, had to do one of the stupid bundles with a cheap mouse for $660 which was only about $10 above MSRP. I hadnt planned to pull the trigger so quick, but I woke up this morning and found that my desktop didnt want to power on. Im assuming dead board or dead power supply, but I digress. Im feeling like I spent a bit too much, but honestly I dont have a whole lot of hobbies other than gaming so less than 2k every 3rd year isnt too bad for my hobby.

Congrats, the 1080 G1 looks like a really solid card.
 

mohit9206

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lol so much for RussianSensation's detailed posts trying to save people from falling into the Nvidia high end cards trap and you still want ahead and bought a nearly $700 graphics card that will be $400 this time next year.
Anyway congrats on your purchase although you would have been better off going with 1070 or 980ti.
 

SlitheryDee

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The 1070 will definitely do what you want with Doom, and it'll be a considerable overall upgrade from a 770. I was also considering a 1080 at first, but when I saw how much of an upgrade the 1070 would be over my R9 290X, I decided it would be good enough.

As people have said, the 480 will also do what you want with doom, but I have a problem recommending a gpu that hinges all it's hopes of good performance on the adoption of an api. The 1070 will give superior performance under all apis, with the 480 only managing to close the gap some in certain not-guaranteed-to-be-repeated cases.
 
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The 1070 will definitely do what you want with Doom, and it'll be a considerable overall upgrade from a 770. I was also considering a 1080 at first, but when I saw how much of an upgrade the 1070 would be over my R9 290X, I decided it would be good enough.

As people have said, the 480 will also do what you want with doom, but I have a problem recommending a gpu that hinges all it's hopes of good performance on the adoption of an api. The 1070 will give superior performance under all apis, with the 480 only managing to close the gap some in certain not-guaranteed-to-be-repeated cases.

He already bought a 1080.
 

Cookie Monster

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lol so much for RussianSensation's detailed posts trying to save people from falling into the Nvidia high end cards trap and you still want ahead and bought a nearly $700 graphics card that will be $400 this time next year.
Anyway congrats on your purchase although you would have been better off going with 1070 or 980ti.

If you have the money and want the absolute fastest why not?? Electronics like video cards, phones etc all drop in value as soon as you buy them and depreciate in value. On top of that, the electronics world is a viscious one where theres always better things around the corner so there is no right buying decision.

If you have the means to buy today and want one, just buy and enjoy. Everyone is different so it is pretty laughable to say whats right and whats wrong to buy imo.

P.s if there are users who think they are making good investments in computer hardware by making right buying descisions.. i think its pretty crazy!
 
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nerp

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If you have the money and want the absolute fastest why not?? Electronics like video cards, phones etc all drop in value as soon as you buy them and depreciate in value. On top of that, the electronics world is a viscious one where theres always better things around the corner so there is no right buying decision.

If you have the means to buy today and want one, just buy and enjoy. Everyone is different so it is pretty laughable to say whats right and whats wrong to buy imo.

P.s if there are users who think they are making good investments in computer hardware by making right buying descisions.. i think its pretty crazy!

Exactly. Computer parts aren't like cars. If you're buying hardware for resale value, you're likely to get burned. It can work and some people make really smart buy/sell decisions to keep on upgrading with lower out of pocket costs but anyone who wants to buy nice gear and use it for as long as possible need not sweat resale value. Everything becomes pretty much worthless after a while.
 

Head1985

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1080 is better card.
1070 is not 1070 its just renamed 1060TI with only 3x GPC and 48Rops.Card have 64 Rops, but with 3xGPC they are useless and card really have only 48 to USE.
1080 is at same clock 25-30% faster and thats huge difference.Probably same as will be new TITANX vs GTX1080.
Look at this how 1080 just destroyed 1070
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOGxAVfBXb8&feature=youtu.be&t=300
 
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sze5003

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I've always said something is worth what one is willing to pay for it.

The 1080 may be a better card but some people value their money more. I've noticed in some games you can't tell much of a difference between ultra and high when you have pretty much everything cranked up.
 

RadiclDreamer

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Exactly. Computer parts aren't like cars. If you're buying hardware for resale value, you're likely to get burned. It can work and some people make really smart buy/sell decisions to keep on upgrading with lower out of pocket costs but anyone who wants to buy nice gear and use it for as long as possible need not sweat resale value. Everything becomes pretty much worthless after a while.

I've been in the IT game for almost 20 years now, I never expect to resell anything, i tend to run it until the tires fall off so to speak, so if the 1080 gives me a few more months longer life over the 1070 in terms of performance, and gives me a better quality experience for the time I own it, I'll consider it a good day. When it comes right down to it, I make a very good living and really don't but much for myself. This is my one little treat for the next few years.

Great discussion though!
 

ZGR

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Because the performance gap between XX70 and XX80 is wider than ever.

This is what Nvidia wants. It makes the 1080's value worth the premium. Once both the 1070 and 1080 are at max OC (~2.05 GHz), the performance gap closes to around 21%.
 
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Keysplayr

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1080 is better card.
1070 is not 1070 its just renamed 1060TI with only 3x GPC and 48Rops.Card have 64 Rops, but with 3xGPC they are useless and card really have only 48 to USE.
1080 is at same clock 25-30% faster and thats huge difference.Probably same as will be new TITANX vs GTX1080.
Look at this how 1080 just destroyed 1070
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOGxAVfBXb8&feature=youtu.be&t=300

No, this is present day. Not any other time, but present day.
1070 is 1070. 1080 is 1080. 1060Ti, if produced, will be 1060Ti.
 

Head1985

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Because the performance gap between XX70 and XX80 is wider than ever.

This is what Nvidia wants. It makes the 1080's value worth the premium. Once both the 1070 and 1080 are at max OC (~2.05 GHz), the performance gap closes to around 21%.
I think it is even more than 21%..25-30% in most games because 3x GPC.
970 vs 980 was like 15%
670 vs 680 was 5%?
570 vs 580 10%?

Edit found crysis3 comparison.Its around 30% this time.1070 is even slower than 980TI because its in 4k and 1070 have only 3x GPC with 48rops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ONHiIotKww
 
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HOOfan 1

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All of the people who want to call the 1070 "gimped" insist on comparing it to the 1080.


Maybe...just maybe, the 1080 is just exceptionally faster than the previous generation.

How about comparing the cards to what they replaced instead?

the 980 is only 10% faster than the 780 Ti and 23% faster than the 780
The 780 was only 16% faster than the 680
The 680 was only 16% faster than the 580
The 580 was only 12% faster than the 480

The 1080 is 27% faster than the 980 Ti and nearly 40% faster than the 980

So in 5 generational leaps, the 1080 is the biggest leap over the card it replaces by a long shot

the 970 was 24% faster than the 770 14% faster than the 780 and basically equaled the 780 Ti
The 770 was 10% faster than the 670 and about 3% faster than the 680
the 670 was 25% faster than the 570 and about 15% faster than the 580
The 570 was 14% faster than the 470 and about 3% faster than the 480

The 1070 is 35% faster than the 970 12% faster than the 980 Ti and over 25% faster than the 980

again...a the biggest leap in 5 generational leaps


The last time there was a x60 Ti version...it was the 660 Ti....which was 4% faster than the 580. The 560 Ti was 14% slower than the 480

The 960 was over 20% slower than the 780
The 760 was 16% slower than the 680
The 660 was 7% slower than the 580


So all of the X60 cards of the 3 generations leading up to 1060 were slower than the x80 card of the generation before.

The last x60 Ti card was just 4% faster than the x80 card of the generation before.

The 1060 is about equal to the 980. So I would say, as far as generational leaps go, the 1060 is closer to a 1060 Ti than the 1070 would be.
 
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