Should I upgrade my RAM?

Xerin7

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I'm planning to upgrade my pc, and currently have 4Gx2 DDR3 1333 RAM (MEM 4Gx2|PNY MD8192KD3-1333 R). Should I upgrade to 8GB of DDR3 1600 RAM or just keep my current RAM?
 

bbhaag

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I wouldn't. No way are you going to see a performance difference in daily usage. Not enough to justify the cost anyway.

On a side note what are you doing with that 2500k you're using now? You plan on selling it?
 

Virgorising

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I wouldn't. No way are you going to see a performance difference in daily usage. Not enough to justify the cost anyway.

On a side note what are you doing with that 2500k you're using now? You plan on selling it?

Bet U a dollar (my max bet()) no way has selling that chip even crossed his mind!!!:sneaky: I believe he is focused only on RAM.

I agree clock speed change not worth it, but I might consider beyond 8GBs (even I, non gamer person have 8 GBs of DDR3)......closer to what his board permits (maybe not the whole 32GBs, who needs that?), tho I have no clue what it would cost. I would go for more (like 16 total), not faster.

I also luv his monitor.....am sure he is not interested in selling that either, surprised it's not 27"
 
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Cerb

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If you aren't sure, chances are the answer is no.

How much RAM can you actually use?
 

Virgorising

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If you aren't sure, chances are the answer is no.

How much RAM can you actually use?


His board maxes out at 32. I just posted above.....and, that he might consider doubling what he has.

He could even double that......but why anyone needs 32 I do not understand.
 

Cerb

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His board maxes out at 32. I just posted above.....and, that he might consider doubling what he has.

He could even double that......but why anyone needs 32 I do not understand.
If at 16GB there's lots of paging, 32GB would be the next step. Same reason anyone ever needs more RAM: being able to utilize more than they have. If you can't use it, though, it's not going to be of any help.
 

Virgorising

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If at 16GB there's lots of paging, 32GB would be the next step. Same reason anyone ever needs more RAM: being able to utilize more than they have. If you can't use it, though, it's not going to be of any help.

Interesting! Board in the system I am on maxes out at 16, I upgraded to 8, and for my applications, it's more than enough; as you say, I can't really use more, but bet another dollar HE COULD!!!!:biggrin:

I guess what I meant was, I can't imaging needing 32 PERSONALLY.
 
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Xerin7

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I'm actually good with the 8 I already have, just wasn't sure if there was a noticeable difference in gaming to go with the 1600 over 1333.

I was planning to upgrade my CPU to an i5-4670K, do you think it is worth it or should I wait?

And yeah, I love the monitor but have been thinking about getting a 27" - 30" for more real estate.
 

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I set up my current with 32 GB, when I started running into memory problems I switched to one stick of the 8GB. Other than having to run it a lot slower than it was rated for most of the normal stuff I do was fine.

When even that single stick started having even more issues, I RMA the lot of them and in the mean time I tried running 4GB only to have things run really slow and too much multi tasking or even single programs needing more ram caused issues, so I put in the third stick of 2GB ram and a lot of the issues went away. So I tend to recommend any one running a 64 bit OS, to run 4GB for the OS, 2GB for the graphic card to be able to swap textures to system memory rather than your hard drive, and 2GB for programs to use. Which gives you a base number of 8GB of system memory.

In your case I would just grab a single stick of 8GB and work from there. The best way to see if you need more ram is run Process Explorer when you are running your normal usage, and see if you break 70%, in memory or cpu, if you do you are hitting a bottleneck and need more breathing room, because unless you are equal across the board you generally will not max at 90 to 100% because the system is not feeding data fast enough.

If you are below 70% you generally are not bottlenecked unless the system is so bogged down that it is sluggish. If it is that bad generally you will not reliable data as the system collecting the data is being distorted. My system with 4GB in it was not maxing out but it was also taking too long to swap between programs because it was swapping everything to the disk, which is bad for the disk and a lot slower.
 

bbhaag

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I'm actually good with the 8 I already have, just wasn't sure if there was a noticeable difference in gaming to go with the 1600 over 1333.

I was planning to upgrade my CPU to an i5-4670K, do you think it is worth it or should I wait?

And yeah, I love the monitor but have been thinking about getting a 27" - 30" for more real estate.
I already answered your question about the ram. An i5-4670 should net you a few more fps and a little bit less power consumption but at what price? The 2500 is still a very nice cpu.
 

Virgorising

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I'm actually good with the 8 I already have, just wasn't sure if there was a noticeable difference in gaming to go with the 1600 over 1333.

Above surprises me, since U R a gamer. Were I a gamer and with your board, no way would I have only 8GBs. Plus, when I looked yesterday, pretty sure your board is also compatible with 2300 RAM.....tho I stand by what I posted and what others have re speed. Use the Crucial "read my system" on the left, interactive tool to get more accurate data: http://www.crucial.com/store/drammemory.aspx

I was planning to upgrade my CPU to an i5-4670K, do you think it is worth it or should I wait?

lol I just lost a dollar to BBhaag.:biggrin: If you upgrade CPU, he will buy yr 2500K!!!!

But at least I was right re u luv yr fab screen, but U want 27"...or bigger.
 
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Virgorising

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I set up my current with 32 GB, when I started running into memory problems I switched to one stick of the 8GB. Other than having to run it a lot slower than it was rated for most of the normal stuff I do was fine.

When even that single stick started having even more issues, I RMA the lot of them and in the mean time I tried running 4GB only to have things run really slow and too much multi tasking or even single programs needing more ram caused issues, so I put in the third stick of 2GB ram and a lot of the issues went away. So I tend to recommend any one running a 64 bit OS, to run 4GB for the OS, 2GB for the graphic card to be able to swap textures to system memory rather than your hard drive, and 2GB for programs to use. Which gives you a base number of 8GB of system memory.

In your case I would just grab a single stick of 8GB and work from there. The best way to see if you need more ram is run Process Explorer when you are running your normal usage, and see if you break 70%, in memory or cpu, if you do you are hitting a bottleneck and need more breathing room, because unless you are equal across the board you generally will not max at 90 to 100% because the system is not feeding data fast enough.

If you are below 70% you generally are not bottlenecked unless the system is so bogged down that it is sluggish. If it is that bad generally you will not reliable data as the system collecting the data is being distorted. My system with 4GB in it was not maxing out but it was also taking too long to swap between programs because it was swapping everything to the disk, which is bad for the disk and a lot slower.


Brilliant....important info!!!!
 

Xerin7

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Now ya'all have me questioning whether I should wait on my upgrade lol. I will start a different thread specifically on that question. Thanks for the great info, especially the references to Process Explorer and cpu benchmarks.
 

Virgorising

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Now ya'all have me questioning whether I should wait on my upgrade lol. I will start a different thread specifically on that question. Thanks for the great info, especially the references to Process Explorer and cpu benchmarks.


Benchmarks:

http://www.cpu-world.com/benchmarks/Intel/Core_i5-4670K.html

Yr current chip: 85.2% vs what you are considering: 100%. if U upgrade you will get a 15% boost, almost, not sure if this is overclocked or not, am sure you do that or you wouldn't buy unlocked chips. I luv benchmarks.

I am still convinced yr board is compatible with 2300 RAM. Again, use the Crucial tool to make sure.
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Edit: was delving, and, it seems 15% is the lowest threshold for discernible difference. But must be up to you, this too may be subjective, tho the CPU upgrade would not be cheap.

Just saw someone on Newegg who bought the i5-4670K has overclocked it to 4.7. OMG, how cruel. Nobody tell me that don shorten the life of the chip.

Just curious: wut do u overclock yr Sandy Bridge to?
 
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Compman55

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Click Resource Monitor
Click Memory tab.

If the green is all the way across with little standby and little free, then you need more. If you see a good portion of green and the rest mostly darker blue (standby) then you are still ok even if the free is low.

With me having 2 browsers open with 20 tabs a piece, I don;t have any standby or free. So I need to go up to 16 on my next build.
 
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