Should Intel be sued for false advertisement?

[svenge]

Hell AMD named the 8800P an "FX" processor . . . really guys?

That's just barely more sketchy than giving Bulldozer the FX prefix to begin with...

 

[PingSpike]

Are you suggesting that the information in that "Overview" section is NOT from Intel?

Just like this overview section is NOT from Samsung, correct?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147360

Edit: And this overview is NOT from Antec...?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371045

Edit: And not all products even have an "Overview" section. Does that mean that Newegg's web team is just lazy...? Or the the vendor hasn't supplied web ad content for their product?

I recently bought a refurb switch from newegg that listed a 3 year warranty on returns/warranty and specs page and when I got it it only had a 30 day warranty. I complained to newegg and they told me it only had a 90 day warranty as now listed on their page. That of course was also not true since in the box it clearly said only 30 days. I thought I was going crazy until I checked google cache and saw that it had indeed listed 3 years before they changed it on me AFTER I ordered.

Anyway, don't trust anything written on the newegg product page. I won't make that mistake again.

 

[mrmt]

Certainly they should be sued for false advertising and deceptive marketing they do it all the time. And so should NV for their long list of false advertising and deceptive marketing. BTW, are all i7's faster than alli5's and all i5's faster than all i3's?

My FX 8800P is slower than my FX 8350 :hmm:

 

[NTMBK]

My FX 8800P is slower than my FX 8350 :hmm:

It's got better graphics though :awe:

 

[Thanatosis]

Atom is pretty awful, cherry trail is actually worse in comparison to its contemporaries than Bay Trail too. While ARM and Samsung/Apple have been doubling performance every year intel has taken 2 years to deliver the exact same performance in cpu plus a small gpu bump. However, I don't think they should be sued for making exorbitant claims, unless they are specific claims about a certain product.

It could be argued that the incredibly slow intel processor in your new celeron desktop isn't the actual cause of your comp being slow, but instead all the single channel ram and slow HDD that surely will come with such a device. It's hard to hold intel responsible for their crappy products when they are amalgamated into a conglomerate of other, equally crappy components. None of those other component manufacturers is being sued in kind.


I feel bad for all the people buying 2 in 1s like surface 3 with cherry trail in them. They think that computer is fast.

 

[railven]

So, Intel DOES NOT, have ANY control, or even any proof-reading, of marketing material for THEIR products, on one of the biggest US online retailers?

That Newegg could claim that Intel CPUs can cure blindness, and Intel wouldn't suffer any repercussions, only Newegg?

Edit: Next, I suppose that you will try to tell me that Newegg alone, solely foots the bill for product promo codes for popular products, and that they are in no way a vendor co-promotion. LOL!

Here, because this recently happened:

That is a really strange listing actually It has 'HG10 N980' in the title, describes the HG10 N970 in the quick description, and then describes the HG10 N980 in the full description... eff that! Good spot cos I had pre-ordered it.

Talked to Amazon and part of their reply was
"Thanks for letting us know about the error in the detail page for Corsair Hydro Series HG10 N980 Edition Cooling Fan (CB-9060006-WW). We use many sources to build our website information, and we really appreciate knowing about any errors which find their way into our catalog.

I'll notify our catalog team about this and will ask them to correct the error.

I've checked our records and confirmed that the item shown in our website with the ASIN number (B0115H9JWQ) is N980 not N970. "
They just messed up the description. The model is the N980, so don't worry.

Companies do make mistakes. ANd once they are notified they tend to fix them. You act like you never got lucky off a web error? (or at that burned from a web error, haha).

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Intel and AMD should both be sued repeatedly until they start marketing their chips using real MHz numbers and cache sizes again, create meaningful distinctions between their tiny-core and big-core lineups, stop using brand names like "Pentium" or "Athlon" for products from both categories, and define a core in a way that makes sense to my Drunk Uncle Ralph.

 

[myocardia]

Well, it is probably as fast as the Radeon 9600 I had in 2006. "Discrete level" is so general as to be pretty much meaningless. I actually would consider the "massive power to breeze through any applications" equally as deceptive, since cherry trail is probably more anemic in cpu power than gpu. I agree it is deceptive, but since no specific claim is made, I think it would be difficult to sue.

Hi, Frozen. I don't mean to make an argument with you out of it, but I'd bet a beer's worth of money that the iGPU in the fastest CherryTrail is roughly as fast as the two slowest discrete cards that you can still buy new in 2015, if we leave out gaming, which what Larry quoted never mentioned (yes, NOS, but nevertheless new). My examples are the 512MB ATI 5450 and the 1GB nVidia GT 210, but available today at Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...0&percm=14-130-602:$$$$$$$;14-150-600:$$$$$$$

For anyone who doesn't already know, the GT 210 uses the identical GPU as the GS8400, and that was only ~15 or 20% as fast at gaming as an 8800GT, IIRC.

Cherry Trail? Discrete-level performance? Who are they kidding? This level of false advertisement is far worse than "compute cores".

Since BayTrail, Intel's soldered-on CPUs have all done hardware acceleration of video, and sense video acceleration was all that was mentioned, it seems to me to be a completely true statement. If you buy one that's actually cooled decently, instead of being passively-cooled inside of a few square inch plastic case, they run quite cool, even after 12 hours straight of playing back 1080P H.264 content, or even 1080P NetFlix Silverlight content. Well, I should say that the 4x2.0 Ghz Baytrail J1900 in my playback-only HTPC does. It's an Asus EEE Box Nettop: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883220683

Yes, the CPU itself couldn't be any faster than an un-overclocked Pentium E2140, if not a bit slower. But match that NUC up with a $60 128GB SATAIII SSD and a $40 8GB SO-DIMM, and it would still be a huge upgrade for half the people in the U.S. There are people who live in my small town, who still use a Pentium IV Celeron as their main computer, and not just one or two of them, either.

BTW, the page you linked in the OP doesn't say any at all of what you quoted it saying. Did you contact Newegg about it?

 

[dark zero]

Intel and AMD should both be sued repeatedly until they start marketing their chips using real MHz numbers and cache sizes again, create meaningful distinctions between their tiny-core and big-core lineups, stop using brand names like "Pentium" or "Athlon" for products from both categories, and define a core in a way that makes sense to my Drunk Uncle Ralph.

Agreed. The only one who codes their chips properly is VIA....

Intel is screwing people selling Atoms as Celeron or Pentium. That is punishable.

AMD sells FX as Octocores who are in fact MT Quad Cores. Also the AM1 chips counts... Isn't easier to revive the Duron or the Phenom brands?

 

[DrMrLordX]

and define a core in a way that makes sense to my Drunk Uncle Ralph.

We should use "Drunk Uncle Ralph" (DUR) as a unit of measurement when it comes to core counts.

One "standard" x86 core would be 1 DUR. I guess you could use a Haswell core as a baseline for what should be the value of 1 DUR. So how many DUR would you get in a 4m/8t Vishera? This is getting complicated already.

Or maybe we could eschew the DUR in favor of the Raditz . . .

 

[Deders]

I have worked as someone who filled in the database backends for what appears on a retailer's website. It's a never ending process when you think of the wide variety of hardware available and all the different permutations for specific things, especially when you include laptop parts.

What tends to happen is you copy and paste descriptions from the manufacturer's website. There just isn't enough time to write out every single one. What I expect happened with Newegg is whoever was inputting the data realised the Intel blurb was far too technical, and attempted to make it more understandable to the average user.

Not having much time to spend on each item they list, they probably went with something that would make it more desirable, and overshot the mark by a mile. If it was me, I'd be having sleepless nights over it.

If the same or similar text appears in any other sites, then whoever made that listing would have just copied and pasted from Newegg. This happens a lot. I found myself correcting details for quite a few items where the specs deviated from the manufacturers websites. My boss at the time would have preferred it if I spent less time perfecting things. He was more concerned with the amount of listings I was making.

The worst culprit was AC adapters for laptops. Wattage is not an easy spec to accurately find so most people will just copy and paste from somewhere. You see the same mistakes being made on nearly every website, but you know deep down that 30W isn't going to be enough for a laptop with a high end graphics chip, and you'd be right.

Again my boss would say just list it because searching for the data was too time consuming, they would just send the adapter out, if it didn't work they would exchange it for one that did.

Again, I wasn't able to sleep at night so that company probably has the most accurate power supply listings (at least with the ones I did, there were thousands already there before I started) in the known universe.

 

[VirtualLarry]

BTW, the page you linked in the OP doesn't say any at all of what you quoted it saying.

I just clicked the link in the OP, the page that comes up still contains the text exactly as I quoted it.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

We should use "Drunk Uncle Ralph" (DUR) as a unit of measurement when it comes to core counts.

One "standard" x86 core would be 1 DUR. I guess you could use a Haswell core as a baseline for what should be the value of 1 DUR. So how many DUR would you get in a 4m/8t Vishera? This is getting complicated already.

Or maybe we could eschew the DUR in favor of the Raditz . . .

If I were a little more well-versed in CPU design, I could probably come up with something slick like "the smallest subset of the CPU's components which supports all of the instructions which the CPU is capable of executing" or something. But I can already think of exceptions. (AVX modules, iGPUs, etc.)

If I were a little more well-versed in Dragonball Z, I could probably understand that reference.

 

[myocardia]

I just clicked the link in the OP, the page that comes up still contains the text exactly as I quoted it.

Sorry, I had not gone far enough down the page to see what you quoted. BTW, who puts two product descriptions, for a single product? :/ At the 'bottom', it doesn't even mention an N3050.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

No, the lawyers are the only ones that will make any money off of a class action.

And if a consumer cannot be bothered to investigate a potential purchase beyond the manufacturer's hyperbole laced claims, then game on.

 

[ElFenix]

Well it is faster than Intel's latest discrete graphics

 

[DrMrLordX]

If I were a little more well-versed in CPU design, I could probably come up with something slick like "the smallest subset of the CPU's components which supports all of the instructions which the CPU is capable of executing" or something. But I can already think of exceptions. (AVX modules, iGPUs, etc.)

ditto!

(there's always exceptions)

If I were a little more well-versed in Dragonball Z, I could probably understand that reference.

There's a parody of DBZ called Dragonball Z Abridged, where they constantly mock Raditz. He dies early in the series, but they keep bringing him up as a unit of power measurement.

 

[lamedude]

Well it is faster than Intel's latest discrete graphics

So we just need to get Quake running on Larrabee.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Well it is faster than Intel's latest discrete graphics

:biggrin: post of the day

Larry i really think that Newegg is more to blame here. Intel, AMD and Nvidia do lie here and there but in this case i put the blame squarely on Newegg.

 

[erunion]

I have worked as someone who filled in the database backends for what appears on a retailer's website.

Thanks for sharing, that was very informative for me.