Shoulda done water cooling :sneaky:
One of my main reasons was proper sata 6G.
Water and electricity don't mix bro.
Shoulda done water cooling :sneaky:
One of my main reasons was proper sata 6G.
95 watt
77 watt
where is exacly the same flame??
sandy die size 216mm2 95 watt 0,44watt/mm2
ivy die size 160mm2 77 watt 0,48watt/mm2
we have an increase of 9% at power density
temps have go up how much ???
from 60 to 80+??? that 33%
power density is not to be blamed for the hight temps alone
Water and electricity don't mix bro.
Great post :thumbsup:well franklly every new generation is not aiming for the people of the previous generation but for people 4+ generations back
okey lots in this forum went to buy ivy
but if intel or amd was aiming at you then they would be out of business decades ago
the cruel reality is
a)people buy new machines cause the old one has failed
b)people buy new machines because they can not run something new
and that does not include running bf3 or what ever game at low resolution at 20fps with all turned down
many people will still run the game and still will be satisfied with that
only when they could not actually run the game they will consider
well as for me if i had the money i would go from one build to another but that is me
but for the record i kept my pII233 for 6 years
simply the games i played it played it well evven the news ones
so did not feel the urge to upgrade
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5763/undervolting-and-overclocking-on-ivy-bridgeCare to elaborate on this.
My 2500K will hit 60C max at around 4.2ghz (it isn't a golden chip by a long run but hits 4.8 on air even if it gets a little toasty). So excluding "golden" SB chips what exact OC are you talking about where SB hits 60C and IB hits 80C max at the same speed.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5763/undervolting-and-overclocking-on-ivy-bridge
the 3rd graph shows the ivy bridge at 4.2ghz at 85c
when your sandy hits 60c?
at the same graph the 4.0 ghz ivy hits 82cWhen you show me the two procs hitting temps a equal perf levels on the SAME COOLING SOLUTIONS...let me know.
His SB at 4.2 is outperformed by IB at 4.2.
well franklly every new generation is not aiming for the people of the previous generation but for people 4+ generations back
okey lots in this forum went to buy ivy
but if intel or amd was aiming at you then they would be out of business decades ago
the cruel reality is
a)people buy new machines cause the old one has failed
b)people buy new machines because they can not run something new
and that does not include running bf3 or what ever game at low resolution at 20fps with all turned down
many people will still run the game and still will be satisfied with that
only when they could not actually run the game they will consider
well as for me if i had the money i would go from one build to another but that is me
but for the record i kept my pII233 for 6 years
simply the games i played it played it well evven the news ones
so did not feel the urge to upgrade
at the same graph the 4.0 ghz ivy hits 82c
so lets say that sandy has a very good cooling
give sandy 10c in favor??
so lets see 60 for sandy
82-10=72 for ivy
thats 20% more temp
for 9% more power density
so the highter temp is not only due to power density
design flaw??? rearranging things in the die could made it cooler??
using of tim isntead of solder?
by the way i find it ironic to have a lower powewr cpu that runs hotter
First off, learn to spell. Second off, it isn't ironic at all. It generates less heat. Period, end of story.
i said it runs hotter not generates less heat
thankfully the software companies like games do care about 100% of the users and release patches untill the fix all bugs
and frankly i do not like companies and people with the mentallity to say s#### you to the 1% so if it is 2% 3% still is bad and bad companies
I'm from 4 generations back, 4 years back Bloomy and would still buy SB to duplicate my killer overclock of 1.6Ghz instead of measly 1Ghz ivy gives. But alas what for?
If you look at many reviews they STILL use an highly Oced 4 years old Bloomfeild on brand new graphic card tests like 7970 or GTX 680 and results are just like other sites using the new shit.
i said it runs hotter not generates less heat
thankfully the software companies like games do care about 100% of the users and release patches untill the fix all bugs
and frankly i do not like companies and people with the mentallity to say s#### you to the 1% so if it is 2% 3% still is bad and bad companies
95 watt
77 watt
where is exacly the same flame??
sandy die size 216mm2 95 watt 0,44watt/mm2
ivy die size 160mm2 77 watt 0,48watt/mm2
we have an increase of 9% at power density
temps have go up how much ???
from 60 to 80+??? that 33%
power density is not to be blamed for the hight temps alone
well when i played orion2 it needed patch 1.31 to be playableI want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly... You think game companies release patches until every single bug on every single type of configuration is fixed? For your sake, I hope I'm just understanding you wrong.
well when i played orion2 it needed patch 1.31 to be playable
then there was no bugs left in the game
space empires 5 needed to go to 1.79 patch to make the game playable
and by bug we mean an error that prevents you from playing not a patch to change something people do not liked in the game
both games had serious bugs that crashed the game.at orion2 with the latest patch that made the game at last stable they changed the power level of a gun cause peopel were saying it was too strong!!?!??!?!
but that is not bug fixing
i only play turn base strategy games sooooooooooooo i do not know the games you refer too
well orion2 after patch1.31 has no bugIm not talking about patches to change game dynamics either. So now you're only talking about complete game breaking bugs, you did say 100% of bugs before, are you now retracting that?
well noone can play all gamesI have no idea if it's bug free or not, do a google search see if anyone is having problems. Furthermore, that's ONE game, you made it seem like there is no such thing as a game with bugs, then you limited it to completely game breaking bugs, now you're limiting it to game breaking bugs in a single game. Your original statement is inaccurate, that's the bottom line. There are far fewer people who have issues with IB than there are people who experience bugs in games. And the issues with IB are "i can't OC to 5GHz" which isn't a bug at all.
i am not comperign software to hardware issuesIf not everyone can play every game, you're short of 100%
Its silly to compare game bugs to CPU issues. Games have more problems than CPU's, period.
I will agree with you that IB is not aiming for SB owners.
Are you just guessing and making things up as you go along? How are you determining that power consumption is the same? Have you read even a single review? Every one shows consumption is lower. Including the review here at AT.