Should Israel pull the trigger?

Doboji

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Israel has been astoundingly good about not retaliating as of late... but the Palestinian terrorists continue.

Should Israel declare war... and if they declare war what suggestions do you guys have...

I say assasinate every member of Hamas and Islamic Jihad... put Arafat back in power... he's better than the other psychos...

-Max
 

shabby

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I remember reading an article a couple months ago on this, and it had this little cartoon that would solve all this fighting. The middle east was wrapped around a dynamite and it ignited...
 

Doboji

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I have a better idea... lets build a replica of Israel/Palestine in North Dakota... and drop sleeping gas in Israel.... flip a coin and move one people or the other into the "alternative" holy land.

-Max
 

bugsysiegel

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I wonder why people can't get along, especially over a thing like religion. I'm no theologist, but is there *any* religion which condones murder?
 

JesusCow

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i know this guy who read the bible, and he said that jesus said that those two contries were always going to fight... the guy i know is a profession heavy weight boxer too, heh
 

NakaNaka

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bugs in islam they believe in jihad which is religous fighting which like guarantees you a passage into heaven. it doesn't include blowing up innocent people it was meant that during real war you should fight bravely and with honor and no fear of death because if you die in the battle field for islam you will go to heaven. it was not meant as a blow up the israelies

i am jewish so this is a very tough topic for me as my grandma was almost killed by a terrorist bomb a few years ago ...

Anyway, I think Israel needs to do something. They kill 20 innocent young Jews and what's the response, let's have a Cease fire. BS!

 

syzygy

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isreal threw arafat a phony test. they all know his influence over
hamas and islamic jihad is tenuous, which is why these organizations
took the face saving measure of publicly declaring a conditional cease
fire before arafat could do anything definitive. hamas and islamic
jihad saved their sense of pride and independence and gave arafat a
bone to chew on.

the condition ofcourse is that isreal desist from any strikes against
palestinian targets. but ofcourse will seek particular revenge against
hamas and islamic jihad in the near future. so both the ceasefire
and isreal's apparent willingness to resist immediate retaliation
is for show.
 

soapdish

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Actually, the Koran sites that that Judaism and Islam have a "special", as in close, relationship.

According to the Koran, Muslims should make great efforts to live with Jews.

Too bad reality isn't that way.
 

Shmorq

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Both nations should all go back to grade school and work out their childish and immature behaviors.
 

Kadesh

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It's beyond the point where religion has any say in it. It's "us" vs. "them". Personally, I think the Palestinians need to grow up. Israel has the biggest, meanest army out there, now that Iraq was defeated. Blowing up school children is not the way to get a country of your own. It can only lead to Israel using that army. They aren't going to say, "Gee, you killed our children, here's half our country."

I could suggest some ways I think the problems could be solved but that's too arrogant. I don't live there so anything I say will be just an ignorant, half baked idea. That said, my dumb idea is to completely remove the terrorist groups (through violence, mass arrests, whatever), give the Palestinian people full citizenship, and work it out in the Israeli Senate peacefully. Turn the situation from Israel vs. Palestine into Israel and Palestine vs. the terrorists who threaten progress. There has to be some way to allow the voice of reason to prevail and turning both peoples against the violence is the best way. They won't get a country immediately of course but it will be the first step in the right direction.
 

Doboji

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syszgwhatever....

There's always two sides to every issue... The political and the ideological.

Politicaly what you have stated is correct... this current situation will enable the Israelis to destroy the Islamic Jihad and the Hamas...

Ideologically this is exactly what we want... Islamic Jihad and Hamas are directly responsible for numerous deaths on both the Palestinian and Israeli sides... furthermore refraining from attacks on Palestinians is also ideologically correct... so it appears that Sharons moves are ethically, politically, and militarily sound.

Thus while for some it is for show... for others the intent is genuine. The result regardless is ideal.

Kadesh I think you hit the nail right on the head with your "dumb" idea... and thats exactly what is going to happen...

Naka Naka... I too am jewish and as I have been exploring my jewish identity in the last year it has become a very very very important issue to me. But what I realize is that retaliation out of sorrow and anger means nothing but more sorrow and anger. We must strike indeed... but carefully in such a way as to end the sorrow not avenge it. Arik is doing the right thing...

-Max

-Max
 

bjc112

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Israel.. will pull the trigger.. that is wrong what the Palestinian's did, and Israel will retaliate (sp?)...
 

Raspewtin

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even with nuclear weapons, Israel has abused the Palestinians so badly and they are so poor that eventually they will have nothing to lose. I will not feel sorry for Israel when the huge bomb they are creating explodes in their face. Their recent behavior has been impressive (i.e. not retaliating for the suicide Tel Aviv explosion), though, not enough to overcome their past transgression. This problem can not be solved by more violence on either side. maybe we should just nuke the whole area :disgust:
 

Doboji

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Interesting I'd love to see some examples of how the Israelis have treated the Palestinians disproportionately? That would make for some good debating.

-Max
 

Raspewtin

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<< That would make for some good debating >>



Actually it would be rather pointless since I doubt you would ever allow yourself to think of the issue differently then you do now (be honest with yourself and you will know what I am saying is correct in the sentence above). It would become another mindless argument throwing facts back and forth, until someone doesn't care. I don't care already
 

polm

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Rahvin: Can my little brother come over to your house and thrown a rock as hard as he can at you ? How about at your family ? A 5 month old baby died from a rock last week. Im not condoning violence, but lets not diminish the impact a rock can have.
 

rufruf44

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The problem if Israel did declare war against Palestine, a good chunk of their population are also Palestinians or have some sort of Arab ancestry. They've strong enough presence to help Barak become PM. If there's war, more than likely a percentage of these ppl will help the Palestinians, so Israel have to fight both the Palestinians, and the enemy &quot;from within&quot;.

Personally I think Israel need to flex its muscle. Its going to be a lot of bloodshed but maybe then the Palestinians know they can't win against Israel and will be more inclined toward a peace settlement. One thing I think necessary for Israel is to detroy HAMAS. Arafat is incapable of controlling that, and any move/settlement made by the Palestinian Government risk failing in ruins if these Militant groups disagree on it and goes on a spree of suicide bombing...destroying what little trust these two nations has.

On another note, why does US has to even get involved in it??? Let them clean their own mess, or have we forgotten what happen in Beirut?
 

Doboji

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I agree with you rufruf... Israel needs to flex it's muscles... problem is... the extremist israeli factions will attempt to use the conflict to get rid of ALL the Arabs in Israel.... which while hugely beneficial to the idea of a Jewish State is just plain wrong...

My recommendation is that Israel begin assasinating any member as hamas or islamic jihad... issue an official declaration stating that Hamas and Islamic Jihad is now considered a legitimate military adversary, and declare war on this entity.

-Max
 

It will never end.
Fighting don't work, peace don't work.
The elders are teaching their 8 yr old children HOW to kill.
So it seems no one really wants peace, so America should stop butting in.
 
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