Should lawn sprinklers be outlawed nationwide? I think so.

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AmdEmAll

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They should be required to have a recapture system that gets filtered and sprayed back onto the lawn.
 

mammador

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it feels "wrong" but what would that accomplish? it's not like the saved water will be transported to areas that lack it. using it also doesn't deplete it; it's a renewable resource (depends on where you are I suppose. ground water depletion seems to be a problem in some areas).

renewable to some extent, though this depends on climate and geography. In an area of high rainfall, then yeah water wastage is not an issue that much, since water is recycled.
 

bignateyk

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The issue also is too much freedom. Or more accurately, before somebody flames me, more freedom without recognising its cost.

I consider myself a libertarian, but I think modern Western culture has too much of an entitlement complex rivalling a toddler. We should really temper freedom with social cost. As an example, living in the desert? So yeah, plenty of A/C, high electricity, fossil fuel production, etc. I know somebody will flame me, but I genuinely feel that much of contemporary Western society's issues stem from an abuse of liberty. This is why people are obese, for instance. They eat all they want, and then don't give a shit despite the cumulative effect that millions of obese people have on society. So if healthcare costs rise for everybody, governments have to scale back state provision (this is to my UK compatriots. Do you think the NHS would be viable in 30 years should this continue?), and countries become less productive, yeah a real boon..

Someone further may say I'm not a "true" libertarian lol.. Well yeah, no true Scotsman aside, I don't see liberty at odds with social wellbeing. IMO, the two are inherently linked. We don't allow people to kill and rape others because they negatively affect society in many ways. They violate rights because we created rights concepts to protect ourselves and further society.

That was a surprisingly refreshing viewpoint. Couldn't agree more.
 

Imp

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Middle East has cheap desalinization figured out. I can buy a bottle of desalinated water for $0.25. "Spring" water costs like $2 a bottle here.

The desalinization wrecks the ecosystem though because they just pump all the brine back out and it kills everything.

But the people live? That's always the most important consideration???

No, that's pretty bad. I'd like to think that they could figure a way out to dispose of the brine without killing everything in the ocean. The complaint I usually hear is the intake doing damage.

I would vote for greywater being used for sprinkler systems. You're absolutely right that it takes too much energy to clean the water, when the only purpose for it is vanity. I think it ought to be mandatory to hook sprinkler systems and toilet water up to greywater systems for new construction.

We also flush our toilets with drinking water, which is really stupid. We should make better use of greywater.

If you're interested in greywater, look further into "recycled water". A few places in California treat waste water at a central location to a lower standard than drinking, then pump it using purples pipes for landscaping around town. I forget if you're allowed to use it for toilet water or not.

Greywater is a bit messy for landscaping. It's fine for toilets because shit is shit, but once you start sending it back into the environment right at home, you start running into problems... like what if the effing neighbor drinks out of your hose expecting potable water (tainted with leaded hose...) or someone accidentally swallows some spraying things down or filling a bucket. Only some (dry) states have laws for greywater. The biggest problem may be that some states don't even address it. It's usually recommended to irrigate using drips or underground systems that don't spray to minimize this risk.
 

KMFJD

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Texas is in a really bad drought right now. In many areas you can't water more than once a week, and they are considering making that every two weeks.

So what the OP wants is happening all around me.



Most water usage is negotiated for this reason. Here in Texas rice farmers are always fighting for the water.

The problem is that while residents face severe restrictions, from what i've read the Oil&Gas companies continue to pump out the water for fracking with no restrictions.
 

Dumac

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Natural underground reservoirs that took hundreds of years to fill are getting tapped out all over the country.

People who think that water isn't a scarce and valuable resource don't truly understand the water cycle.

Lawns provide no practical use anyway, at least that I know of. I see no reason to keep them if they can't survive in the natural climate.
 

poofyhairguy

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The problem is that while residents face severe restrictions, from what i've read the Oil&Gas companies continue to pump out the water for fracking with no restrictions.

Actually I am pretty close to this and I can tell you this is only partly the case, at least in West Texas. Often the water that is used for fracking is water that is basically undrinkable well water. In cases where that isn't available, often water is shipped in from other regions on tankers which is still profitable at oil over $100 a barrel. A few years ago they were really straining the municipal water systems, but the oil guys knew that wasn't sustainable so they found some alternatives.

I will also note that out in West Texas the golf courses I have played on are all watered by "reclaimed water." If they do any mass watering with drinking water out there they get heavy fines.
 

spidey07

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I think there should be a law mandating every person take a 3rd grade science class and learn what the water cycle is. Water is never "wasted".

ps - I used 60,000 gallons of water the last two months. My lawn looks incredible.
 
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ElFenix

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I think there should be a law mandating every person take a 3rd grade science class and learn what the water cycle is. Water is never "wasted".

ps - I used 60,000 gallons of water the last two months. My lawn looks incredible.

water isn't wasted but it doesn't exactly go to places where we can easily get drinkable water back either.
 

mmntech

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A lot of people certainly do water their lawn way more often than they should. If it's dry, I just don't water the lawn. Just the plants and the vegetable garden. Grass goes dormant anyway in drought conditions. How do you think it survives the winter?

For all the talk about green homes, very few have grey water recovery systems. You don't need fresh drinking water to flush the toilets.
 

Doppel

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No, there are shit tons of water. This notion that it's running out is one of the most hilarious lies ever told. Maybe if you live in Phoenix sure but most of us live quite close to abundant water sources.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Relocating billions of people is really really simple.


You don't need to relocate anyone. Stop shipping food or water to places that can't supply their own food or find their own water. The problem solves itself in a single generation. If you live in a desert you have nobody to blame but yourself. Move, adapt or die just like life on earth has been doing since life began.
 

mammador

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Natural underground reservoirs that took hundreds of years to fill are getting tapped out all over the country.

People who think that water isn't a scarce and valuable resource don't truly understand the water cycle.

Lawns provide no practical use anyway, at least that I know of. I see no reason to keep them if they can't survive in the natural climate.

yay, aesthetics are evil.
 

BillGates

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Aesthetics, erosion prevention, usable space for recreation/relaxation, makes hippies cry.

I see no downsides.

/turns on irrigation system
 

rh71

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I'm on Long ISLAND and the water is dirt cheap because it is plentiful. The most expensive it gets is $75 for 3 total months in summer when we water the lawn for 1.5 hrs about 4 times a week. My neighbor doesn't water at all (no system and too lazy) and his lawn is a puke yellow color. It's just depressing. In NYC water is restrictively expensive and people have been known to not flush after each piss.
 
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etrigan420

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Stop shipping food or water to places that can't supply their own food or find their own water.

Sure, but then we'd have more Texans spread out through the rest of the nation...and it's kind of convenient having them all in one place.
 

spidey07

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You don't need to relocate anyone. Stop shipping food or water to places that can't supply their own food or find their own water. The problem solves itself in a single generation. If you live in a desert you have nobody to blame but yourself. Move, adapt or die just like life on earth has been doing since life began.

You can't grow shit in the desert!

Ah-argh!

There's no water!

Ah-agrgh!

why the water cycle is not understood boggles my mind.
 

velillen

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I would vote for greywater being used for sprinkler systems. You're absolutely right that it takes too much energy to clean the water, when the only purpose for it is vanity. I think it ought to be mandatory to hook sprinkler systems and toilet water up to greywater systems for new construction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greywater

Ive actually been looking into something like that. More on the rainwater side though. But could hook up the sinks to the "tank" too to reclaim that water. Just have to have a good filter on the pump. Wonder what sort of codes there are for having a tee in the sink so you can direct it either to the tank or the septic.
 

spidey07

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uggh, the water just goes back into the ground

But then it never comes back!

I have a very real problem with water freaks that don't understand the water cycle.

As I drink my water, that comes from my piss, from watering my lawn, over and over again.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Sure, but then we'd have more Texans spread out through the rest of the nation...and it's kind of convenient having them all in one place.

I was hoping for the preferable outcome of there just being fewer Texans overall. Since most of them claim they'd die before they'd leave Texas let's see if they mean it.
 
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