Should Michael Sam Sue the NFL?

[TheGardener]

Michael Sam "stepped away" from his job on the Allouttes. That is another way of saying they cut him from the team, or he left knowing he was to be cut. For those who don't remember, Sam became the first openly gay man to try out for the NFL. He was drafted by the St Louis Rams in 2014 which was as big news for any player coming out of college that year. Sam didn't make the cut, and was then picked up by Dallas Cowboys, who put him on their practice squad until he was cut.

So is this a case of discrimination? Should he sue to be on an NFL team? Quotas anyone? Employees are asked to document their racial status. Should they be asked their sexual preference? What about asking one's gender identity?

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/michael-sam-leaves-cfls-alouettes-33095452

 

[Anubis]

sue for what? not being good enough?

 

[Jodell88]

How can it be proved that it is discrimination?

It honestly seems like he has some personal problems going on that seems to affect him playing.

Sam agreed to a two-year deal with the Alouettes this summer. He left training camp June 12, citing personal reasons, and sat out the team's first five games.

 

[It's Not Lupus]

What discrimination?

 

[Childs]

Seems strange that an SEC Defensive Player of the Year couldnt make an NFL team. That being said, having a reality show lined up before making a roster did seem like a red flag.

 

[smitbret]

Seems strange that an SEC Defensive Player of the Year couldnt make an NFL team. That being said, having a reality show lined up before making a roster did seem like a red flag.

To small and slow. He had enough raw talent to be a very good player in college but the next level is whole different level.

 

[TheGardener]

I think that we will be seeing lawsuits based on sexual preferences and identity. NFL has deep pockets, so why not? Players selection will seem to be arbitrary to the courts.

I'm not saying Sam should be on an NFL team. My question is more of a commentary of the litigious society we live in.

 

[madoka]

Seems strange that an SEC Defensive Player of the Year couldnt make an NFL team.

Even Heisman Trophy winners have had trouble making the NFL. Eric Crouch comes to mind.

 

[lupi]

lol, what a stupid statement. he got drafted as a gift and can't even make any headway into the CFL.

 

[RaistlinZ]

When you're not even good enough for the CFL it's time for a career change.

 

[Svnla]

Seems strange that an SEC Defensive Player of the Year couldnt make an NFL team. That being said, having a reality show lined up before making a roster did seem like a red flag.

Many Heisman Trophy winners did not last in the NFL or even make it.

http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap2000000296988

http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap2000000297440

 

[PenguinPower]

I think that we will be seeing lawsuits based on sexual preferences and identity. NFL has deep pockets, so why not? Players selection will seem to be arbitrary to the courts.

I'm not saying Sam should be on an NFL team. My question is more of a commentary of the litigious society we live in.

Have you seen the litigation stats over the previous three years? You may see suits, but the overwhelming majority will be dismissed.

 

[Childs]

Even Heisman Trophy winners have had trouble making the NFL. Eric Crouch comes to mind.

Many Heisman Trophy winners did not last in the NFL or even make it.

http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap2000000296988

http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap2000000297440

Sam is the only SEC DPOY in the last decade to have not been picked in the first two rounds, and I think the only one to not make a roster. I'm not saying he should have been picked earlier or even made an NFL roster, but its curious how DPOY in one of the best conferences could not make an NFL roster. QB's like Tebow and Couch at least made rosters multiple times.

And since I'm in Pac-12 country, if its wasn't because he was gay and somewhat of an attention seeker, it has to be because the SEC is overrated.

 

[twinrider1]

I think that we will be seeing lawsuits based on sexual preferences and identity. NFL has deep pockets, so why not? Players selection will seem to be arbitrary to the courts.

I'm not saying Sam should be on an NFL team. My question is more of a commentary of the litigious society we live in.

Taking the side of frivolous plaintiffs, even in the theoretical, paints you as a moron.

 

[Svnla]

Sam is the only SEC DPOY in the last decade to have not been picked in the first two rounds, and I think the only one to not make a roster. I'm not saying he should have been picked earlier or even made an NFL roster, but its curious how DPOY in one of the best conferences could not make an NFL roster. QB's like Tebow and Couch at least made rosters multiple times.

And since I'm in Pac-12 country, if its wasn't because he was gay and somewhat of an attention seeker, it has to be because the SEC is overrated.

Look up on how many SEC players that were draft by the NFL and see for yourself if it is overrated or not.

The SEC is the draft king. Again.

The SEC had 54 players selected in the 2015 NFL Draft, giving the league the most draftees for the ninth year in a row.

What do pro scouts and NFL GMs know, right? <sarcastic>

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...nferences-with-54-players-taken-in-2015-draft

If you know anything about football, then you should know what a player did in college do not mean he will do well in the pro.

Very small sample examples = highly rated players that were horrible in the NFL = Andre Ware, David Klinger while Tom Brady were not highly rated and did not get draft until late round later (6th) and ended up with several SB rings and MVP trophies (and I do not even like the Pats). And don't forget highly rated Ryan Leaf (Pac 12 QB) as one of the largest bust in the NFL.

 

[Childs]

Look up on how many SEC players that were draft by the NFL and see for yourself if it is overrated or not.



What do pro scouts and NFL GMs know, right? <sarcastic>

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...nferences-with-54-players-taken-in-2015-draft

If you know anything about football, then you should know what a player did in college do not mean he will do well in the pro.

Very small sample examples = highly rated players that were horrible in the NFL = Andre Ware, David Klinger while Tom Brady were not highly rated and did not get draft until late round later (6th) and ended up with several SB rings and MVP trophies (and I do not even like the Pats). And don't forget highly rated Ryan Leaf (Pac 12 QB) as one of the largest bust in the NFL.

And yet the SEC DPOY couldn't make one NFL roster... Can't have it both ways. We're not even talking about playing in real games, just making a roster or even holding onto a practice squad spot.

 

[Svnla]

And yet the SEC DPOY couldn't make one NFL roster... Can't have it both ways. We're not even talking about playing in real games, just making a roster or even holding onto a practice squad spot.

You are talking about 1 player out of several hundreds. You can give Sam a call and ask him the reason(s) why he could not even make the roster even he was a DPOY.

As I already posted, the data from the NFL speaks for itself. SEC has the largest number of players being picked for 9 years in a row and what a player did in college is not a sure bet that he will do the same in the pro. Very simple to understand.

The people that make a living by analyze players surely do not think SEC is overrated. If you think you can do better than those pro scouts and GMs, give them a call.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Michael Sam "stepped away" from his job on the Allouttes. That is another way of saying they cut him from the team, or he left knowing he was to be cut. For those who don't remember, Sam became the first openly gay man to try out for the NFL. He was drafted by the St Louis Rams in 2014 which was as big news for any player coming out of college that year. Sam didn't make the cut, and was then picked up by Dallas Cowboys, who put him on their practice squad until he was cut.

So is this a case of discrimination? Should he sue to be on an NFL team? Quotas anyone? Employees are asked to document their racial status. Should they be asked their sexual preference? What about asking one's gender identity?

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/michael-sam-leaves-cfls-alouettes-33095452

How dumb are you on a scale from 10 to 10?

He got try outs for TWO teams and sucked on each.

Team owners and coaches are money grubbing whores. What does that mean? It means you could go in the locker room and take a couple dicks and they could give two shits as long as you give them a super bowl to put more cash in their pockets.

 

[Childs]

You are talking about 1 player out of several hundreds. You can give Sam a call and ask him the reason(s) why he could not even make the roster even he was a DPOY.

And that one player just happened to be openly gay... :biggrin:

As I already posted, the data from the NFL speaks for itself. SEC has the largest number of players being picked for 9 years in a row and what a player did in college is not a sure bet that he will do the same in the pro.

If you think you can do better than those pro scouts and GMs, give them a call.

I think I could do just as good a job. How many players are busts? How many don't earn their contracts. How many coaches get hired who don't have a clue? As a Raiders fan I can tell you not everyone in the NFL knows what they are doing.

What most people should be able to reason is that if a player was deemed the best player in the "best" conference, he should be able to at least make one NFL team roster, or be able to stay on someone's practice squad for at least a season. Especially the best defensive player in the "best" defensive conference. Again, you can't have it both ways! If you're going to use the stats, then use the stats. If the SEC is the "best" conference, then that should mean something. Or is it a statistical oddity that neither apply and its a coincidence that the one person it doesn't apply to is openly gay?

A reasonable assumption is he didn't make it because he's gay. Maybe he's simply an average player, from an average conference (yeah I'm still saying it!), but between two average prospects, management would rather not deal with the scrutiny associated with having the first openly gay player. Now, if he was Aaron Rodgers, and everyone knew he was going to be the Aaron Rodgers we know, then its worth dealing with the hassle.

 

[Svnla]

And that one player just happened to be openly gay... :biggrin:



I think I could do just as good a job. How many players are busts? How many don't earn their contracts. How many coaches get hired who don't have a clue? As a Raiders fan I can tell you not everyone in the NFL knows what they are doing.

What most people should be able to reason is that if a player was deemed the best player in the "best" conference, he should be able to at least make one NFL team roster, or be able to stay on someone's practice squad for at least a season. Especially the best defensive player in the "best" defensive conference. Again, you can't have it both ways! If you're going to use the stats, then use the stats. If the SEC is the "best" conference, then that should mean something. Or is it a statistical oddity that neither apply and its a coincidence that the one person it doesn't apply to is openly gay?

A reasonable assumption is he didn't make it because he's gay. Maybe he's simply an average player, from an average conference (yeah I'm still saying it!), but between two average prospects, management would rather not deal with the scrutiny associated with having the first openly gay player.

Honestly, I do not know or care about why he could not even make the practice squad. Maybe he lose his motivation/drive/etc. I was not familiar with him until he came out as gay because Miz was not on my radar. IIRC, he did not come out as gay until his last year in college. I am more into the old SEC teams as LSU/Bama/Florida/etc and not the newbie expansion teams.

Read my previous posts again, not one that I ever said the SEC was the "best". I provided you with stats that SEC has the most players being picked by the NFL for 9 years in a row, therefore, it can not be just an average conference per the pro scouts and GMs.

Speaking of the Raiders, they are still weeping about Russel from LSU. Now that is a BIG bust (pun intend) How big he is now? 300 lbs and climbing?

In closing, SEC players dominate NFL rosters =

If you canvas the NFL defensive end position from Week 1, Georgia had the most players on NFL rosters with seven........and if you're a defensive back there's a good chance you went to LSU or Alabama.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24730332/infographic-sec-schools-dominate-nfl-rosters

 

[Childs]

Speaking of the Raiders, they are still weeping about Russel from LSU. Now that is a BIG bust (pun intend) How big he is now? 300 lbs and climbing?

Russell was from the SEC...thats how I know its a mediocre conference! I actually forgot he was even a Raider. So many people that should be difference makers come to the Raiders and disappear into the black hole, then leave Oakland and become relevant again.

 

[Svnla]

Russell was from the SEC...thats how I know its a mediocre conference! I actually forgot he was even a Raider. So many people that should be difference makers come to the Raiders and disappear into the black hole, then leave Oakland and become relevant again.

See, this is why I do not believe that you would do well to pick players as you claimed.

You claimed a conference as "average" or "mediocre" based on a player or two/handful while I have solid stats directly from the NFL itself to prove that was not true.

So Ryan Leaf was a a big bust, by your logic, Pac 12 conference is mediocre? or ACC is just average because of Gino Torretta? LOL.

 

[Childs]

See, this is why I do not believe that you would do well to pick players as you claimed.

You claimed a conference as "average" or "mediocre" based on a player or two while I have solid stats directly from the NFL itself to prove that was not true.

So Ryan Leaf was a a big bust, by your logic, Pac 12 conference is sucky too? or ACC is suck because of Gino Torretta? LOL.

ACC does suck. Last few years they only had one competitive team, and thats FSU. Miami hasn't been relevant since they joined the ACC. GT is OK sometimes, and thats because they beat SEC teams. haha

And if Leaf is not considered as big a bust as Russell, thats only because Leaf had higher expectations because he came from a superior conference! Leaf's biggest crime is that he's a POS human being. Besides, if I was a GM I couldn't do any worse than picking either one of those QBs. In my book thats proof that I wouldn't be any worse at drafting players.

 

[Svnla]

ACC does suck. Last few years they only had one competitive team, and thats FSU. Miami hasn't been relevant since they joined the ACC. GT is OK sometimes, and thats because they beat SEC teams. haha

And if Leaf is not considered as big a bust as Russell, thats only because Leaf had higher expectations because he came from a superior conference! Leaf's biggest crime is that he's a POS human being. Besides, if I was a GM I couldn't do any worse than picking either one of those QBs. In my book thats proof that I wouldn't be any worse at drafting players.

You really should quit when you are still ahead.

Top 19 biggest busts of the NFL = http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/photos/biggest-draft-busts-ever/21 (both of them are in the list but Russel had more wins (7) versus (4) from Leaf)

See, I never claimed the SEC (or any conference) is all that while you claimed Pac12 as "superior". Remember Todd Marinovich, Steve Emtman, Akili Smith, Cade McNown, Mike Williams, Matt Leinart ?

Still telling yourself that USC was a dynasty? LOL.

 

[saratoga172]

Why would he sue? Because he isn't good enough to make a team? No one cares he is gay other than the fact he is drawing a shit ton of media coverage.