A little off topic, but I was wondering if he purposely did those acts just to flee the ship after so many others did. A way to get out of his contract.
He's still get signed by someone, too. Just a matter of when.
Sweet Jesus, is Childs fucking Michael Sam or something?
He wasn't good enough to make the NFL, it's already been stated on the first page. NFL owners want to WIN and will attempt to sign anyone they feel will do that. If your on field performance helps your team win games off field issues will be tolerated; to a point.
Just ask Aldon Smith.
But you need to be consistent to play the game you're trying to play. In this case, we probably can accurately judge that undrafted 34 old green berets who try to make the NFL arent going to make it. So yes, I feel confident in saying that any 30 something green beret walking off the street isnt NFL caliber. Prove me wrong, or more importantly, come up with a relevant scenario.
Sweet Jesus, is Childs fucking Michael Sam or something?
He wasn't good enough to make the NFL, it's already been stated on the first page. NFL owners want to WIN and will attempt to sign anyone they feel will do that. If your on field performance helps your team win games off field issues will be tolerated; to a point.
Just ask Aldon Smith.
It's your relationship, just given how much you are defending or trying to put together a case that somehow him being gay is the sole reason he isn't in the NFL so badly, figured you might have a vested interest.hahaha Out of curiosity, would that matter? And why the hell are you guys so against me on this...are you religious fundamentalists or something?
Aldon Smith is exceptional. Since you read the first page, you might have read that I thought he probably wasnt good enough to be gay and play in the NFL. The first one to do that will have to be exceptional, not just good enough. Too many guys are just good enough, so why deal with the hassles involved with a person in his situation. Losing the locker room is just about the worst thing a team can do.
He's still get signed by someone, too. Just a matter of when.
It's your relationship, just given how much you are defending or trying to put together a case that somehow him being gay is the sole reason he isn't in the NFL so badly, figured you might have a vested interest.
He wasn't even just good enough to cut it on practice squad or CFL FFS, seriously the horse is long past dead.
Nope. ONE SINGLE PERSON = a WHOLE entity. No exception per you. Don't be such a pathetic hypocrite with all the new parameters/rules/situations/cases now.
If these multiple teams were biased why even give him a shot? It makes little sense to bring him into camp or draft him if they are biased. Just ignore him and move on instead.Honestly, I think its more likely the teams or players are biased against him. It wasnt too long ago black players could be in pro sports. Then they couldnt play certain positions. It had nothing to do with ability. To me occam's is simply whats different about this DPOY than ones from other major conferences going back 10-15 years. He's gay. Not just gay, but openly, shouting from the roof tops gay. I can't say specifically how that effected things, but to me its reasonable that it played a part.
I know I mentioned it before, but James Harrison was smaller and slower. A combine time doesnt really reflect actual football speed. Were there any reports during his time with the NFL that suggested that speed effected his performance? I dont know, simply asking.
Which begs the question why he was SEC DPOY. Take out the gay thing, and if he doesnt make it I would look for other factors that prevented him making it, like attitude, injury, off the field issues, and then question the legitimacy of the award and the conference.
Seriously, the horse is long past dead, leave it alone. As stated again, being successful in college does not translate to pros.It all stems from the question that how can an SEC DPOY not make an NFL team. Nothing in this thread, nor the history of DPOYs in all major conferences, lead me to believe its not simply on the field play. And just about everyone in this thread's refusal to even consider the possibility that him making it wasn't completely football related, is all the more reason to continue to bring it up. The only reason we are even discussing him is because he is gay.
There is the feeling that the same kind of ignorance to certain realities 50 years ago would have kept me from getting a certain job, or living in a certain place, or drinking from a common water fountain. For many people, its not hard to see themselves in similar shoes. Apparently not here, but other places. lol
SEC DPOY couldnt make the CFL...that seems right to you? I dunno man, I would think a reasonable person would stop and think wtf, not simply he must not be good enough.
So in your mind what should I be arguing? Green Berets cant play in the NFL? If so, fine, they cant. Come back when one does.
If these multiple teams were biased why even give him a shot? It makes little sense to bring him into camp or draft him if they are biased. Just ignore him and move on instead.
What part of ONE SOLE/SINGLE PERSON = 1 WHOLE ENTITY that you do not understand? Now you are changing your stance?
Can't you see why other posters are trying hard to show you the light? Good grief.
Seriously, the horse is long past dead, leave it alone. As stated again, being successful in college does not translate to pros.
Is being gay play a factor into making the roster? 100% absolutely. Just like any other item about a player can play a factor. But as the NFL has shown, you can be a COLOSSAL fuck up and STILL start, IF you are good enough. Talking about people that have literal blood on their hands, and still play.
Yet Sam, who is gay doesn't even have enough talent to be on the practice squad. It's balancing scale, his sexual orientation may work against him, but at most only a few points and yet his abilities can't overcome that small deficit.
And thats something that I have stated previously. He isnt good enough to be gay and play in the NFL. That person would have to be exceptional, or extremely mentally strong. But prior to your post, no one would even acknowledge the possibility that his sexuality could be any sort of factor.
I haven't understood most of what you have posted in the last day or two.. Its like you can't come up with an intelligent contribution so you post nonsense hoping no one will notice.
I am not going to re-hash through the thread, but I think the point is you are assigning that factor (being gay) entirely too much weight. I bet even if he wasn't gay, he wouldn't be playing, he's simply been given too many opportunities.
The amount of weight I assign to it is to fill in the gap between an SEC DPOY simply making a roster and one that doesnt. Mind you, this is in place of no other reasonable explanation. And that is based on the fact that every SEC DPOY, and really every BCS conference DPOY for the last 10+ years has made an NFL roster in some form. And if the problem is the players in the locker room and not an organizational one, what difference would it matter how many teams gave him a shot?
One thing I've wondered about is his team and the university knew about his sexuality the year before. Maybe officials in the SEC knew it as well, and this was an effort to make some kind of statement.
Even if you remove sexuality from this equation and we were talking about a straight SEC DPOY, I would find it just as puzzling. I would look for an explanation for something other than he simply wasnt good enough. They are pretty much always good enough to make a roster on some team, for at least one year. Its always something. Attitude, injury, super shady past, and that would have to be combined with average ability. And then to say he couldnt even make the CFL?
My conclusion. Sam was a good player for one season in college. He was productive, so the accolades he received were earned. But being a good college player and becoming a good NFL player are two different things (see Tim Tebow). Sam did well for Missouri with a lot of talent around him. A majority of his production came in three games against inferior competition without a need to show much of a pass-rushing repertoire. He doesn’t show much of what the NFL looks for on special teams, and it’s difficult to project a position for him on the next level. For those reasons, Sam would project to be no better than a mid- to late-round pick. He could go undrafted. To my eyes Sam is decidedly average, with nothing exceptional about his game—though he will be helped by the fact that this draft is not deep with pass rushers, and those are always needed.
Don't play dumb. By your own words in this thread, you => Sams with an award college = indication of a whole conference.
Are you trying to say that you did not say it?
Not in the way you try to rephrase it to suit your needs.
Let me summarize for you.
SEC is the best defensive conference in NCAAF.
Sam was SEC DPOY.
Every DPOY for the last 10-15 years make the NFL.
If those things are true, Sam should be in the NFL.
If Sam is not in the NFL, something else must be factor, or one of the previous things must not be true. If one of those things is not true, what is it? What did you get from that? OMG SEC ROCKS FU me butthurt.
Or just reread Cronos's posts earlier in the day.
You could say by and large he became DPOY based on leading the SEC in sacks. However, if you were to check the game logs/stats for 2013, he recorded 9 of this 11.5 in three games against rather inferior opponents (Arkansas St., Vanderbilt and Florida). He had 2.5 sacks in the other 11 games. It'd be interesting to see his PFF grades compared to Kony Ealy for 2013 if they existed. Many thought he wasn't even the second best DE on the team.
Oh hey. Someone reviewed his 2013 season: http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/13/michael-sam-film-study-nfl-draft
And that was before the combine.
Excuses, excuses, and more excuses. Others can read your posts and see for themselves, I already provided your own posts about how you lied several times before.
And now you are a liar again. You were the ONE that brag about the Pac12 as "superior" and trash the SEC as "overrated/average/mediocre".
Did you see me trash the Pac12 or other conferences as you did and then brag about the SEC as "SEC ROCKS" as you claimed? Go ahead and quote what I said. Pathetic LIAR!!! Who is the asshole that butthurt again? Remember how you LIED about you only mentioned the SEC AFTER I mentioned Russel and I pointed out that you trashtalk way before that? LIAR!!!
And did you see the part about "AWARD IN COLLEGE MEANS NOTHING IN THE NFL" mentioned in my links and several posters several times? What part of that you do not understand?
Now beat it.
I'm sure other posters have read our exchanges, and I dont anyone has come to your conclusion about what I said about the conferences. You dont even appear to know what sarcasm and hyperbole is, even when I provide links for you. Had I known I was responding to an irrational person with mental deficiencies in the first few replies, I would have typed out and bolded "sarcasm here". "Hyperbole here".
I will spare you from my many lies by putting you on ignore. But then again, I might be lying, so you'll never know for sure. I could be planning another lie right now...
49ers GM thought otherwise
lol
Anyways, you would think people picking an award would take how he got his sacks into account. I think the draft profiles did, including the one you linked
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1700418/michael-sam
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/michael-sam?id=2543734
No one report has him a world beater, but most projected him as late draft pick, and he should at least be able to latch on somewhere as a special teamer or practice squad at the worst. And this is after he came out to world. His reports were decided better before that. But assuming the later reports and more accurate, it could make you question his DPOY award. Then you see Shane Ray, a fellow Tiger playing the same position, with almost the same measurables, close stats, and the same SEC DPOY award, was drafted in the first round. He was even busted for weed days before the draft.
I'm sure there are things you could point to when you really break them both down, but the difference between 1st round and 7th round, and starting rookie to not making the CFL, cant be that great.
hahaha Out of curiosity, would that matter? And why the hell are you guys so against me on this...are you religious fundamentalists or something?
Aldon Smith is exceptional. Since you read the first page, you might have read that I thought he probably wasnt good enough to be gay and play in the NFL. The first one to do that will have to be exceptional, not just good enough. Too many guys are just good enough, so why deal with the hassles involved with a person in his situation. Losing the locker room is just about the worst thing a team can do.