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PlatinumGold

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Originally posted by: HotChic
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: HotChic
My family has a Great Dane that is 20 lbs heavier than I am, and the sweetest dog in the world. Does she have the potential to be dangerous? Sure, any dog does. Do you or anybody else have the right to restrict my ownership of this very sweet, well-trained dog because she is potentially dangerous in the abstract? No way.

really?

what about this lady in NJ that was raising 4 Bengal Tigers at her home? couple times they escaped and the township and neighbors forced her to have them sent to a zoo.

I think there's a little difference between domestic and non-domestic animals from the start.

these tigers weren't brought over from the wild, she bred them and raised them but they still had the potential to be extremely aggressive.

it's true of dogs also.

if i have to choose between a persons "right" to own a dog and a persons "right" to walk down his neighborhood without dogs escaping from their owners and jumping on them, i choose the later.

your "rights" end where mine begins and if your dog is making physical contact with me and i dont' want them to and you can't control it, your rights ended.
 

moshquerade

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Nov 1, 2001
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Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
stfu. dogs are NOT dangerous unless they are trained to be dangerous.


some breeds are dangerous even if they aren't "trained" to be dangerous.

 

cavemanmoron

Lifer
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Originally posted by: orion23
I see this old guy in town almost everyday. He walks this big black dog (doberman I think). This dog is very strong and the guy cannot really control him at play, now imagine what it would be like when the dog is mad.

Anyway, I've seen a lot of cases in the news where kids and even grownups are victims of attacks by dogs that in my opinion should not be allowed to be in the hands of just anybody

What do you think?

polll
 

AreaCode707

Lifer
Sep 21, 2001
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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: HotChic
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: HotChic
My family has a Great Dane that is 20 lbs heavier than I am, and the sweetest dog in the world. Does she have the potential to be dangerous? Sure, any dog does. Do you or anybody else have the right to restrict my ownership of this very sweet, well-trained dog because she is potentially dangerous in the abstract? No way.

really?

what about this lady in NJ that was raising 4 Bengal Tigers at her home? couple times they escaped and the township and neighbors forced her to have them sent to a zoo.

I think there's a little difference between domestic and non-domestic animals from the start.

these tigers weren't brought over from the wild, she bred them and raised them but they still had the potential to be extremely aggressive.

it's true of dogs also.

if i have to choose between a persons "right" to own a dog and a persons "right" to walk down his neighborhood without dogs escaping from their owners and jumping on them, i choose the later.

your "rights" end where mine begins and if your dog is making physical contact with me and i dont' want them to and you can't control it, your rights ended.

There are difference between domestic and non-domestic types of animals, maybe I should say, not the individual animals. Domestication comes from generations of living with humans, not a few generations of wild animals born in captivity.

but that was kind of the point of the OP.

no one should have a dog they can't control. if the dog can pull the leash out of the owners hand and run at someone, even if it is just to play, that dog should be taken away.

some of you say, why should anyone have the right to determine what you keep, we can't but why should we have random dogs run at our children and knock them down?

if the owner cannot control the dog, then the dog should be taken away.

Anyone can control a heavier animal if you position the collar right and hold the leash properly. My dog couldn't pull me over if I had her on a tight leash, even though she's so much heavier than I am. I could lift her front feet off the ground and get a "choke hold" on her neck.
 

Looney

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Nothing wrong with rotts and doberman... they're great dogs. Pitbulls on the other hand, i don't like. A dog that was specifically breed for fighting, is just too psychotic for most people. I think for pitbulls, ownership should require a license.
 

PlatinumGold

Lifer
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Originally posted by: HotChic
Anyone can control a heavier animal if you position the collar right and hold the leash properly. My dog couldn't pull me over if I had her on a tight leash, even though she's so much heavier than I am. I could lift her front feet off the ground and get a "choke hold" on her neck.

i'm sure you are a good pet owner, but there are many pet owners that won't use collars like that because they are "cruel".

just today, i was walking into a pet store and this 110 lb woman was being DRAGGED out by her 130lb dog. literally dragged. it was hilarious but also potentially dangerous as that is an extremely busy parking lot the dog was DRAGGING her into.

sorry, but i don't think a person has the right to risk a traffic accident because they can't control their pet.

one more time, if you can't control your pet you shouldn't have the right to keep it.
 

AreaCode707

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Looney
Nothing wrong with rotts and doberman... they're great dogs. Pitbulls on the other hand, i don't like. A dog that was specifically breed for fighting, is just too psychotic for most people. I think for pitbulls, ownership should require a license.

Eh, a decade ago rotts had the same sort of media attention that pitbulls are having now (which is kinda odd to me, since all the rottie's I've met have been real sweet.)
 

Looney

Lifer
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Originally posted by: HotChic
Originally posted by: Looney
Nothing wrong with rotts and doberman... they're great dogs. Pitbulls on the other hand, i don't like. A dog that was specifically breed for fighting, is just too psychotic for most people. I think for pitbulls, ownership should require a license.

Eh, a decade ago rotts had the same sort of media attention that pitbulls are having now (which is kinda odd to me, since all the rottie's I've met have been real sweet.)

Maybe where you live, but where i am i've never heard of a rott that killed or attack somebody. But in the last 15 years of living in this area, pitbulls have been in the news almost a dozen times. Pitbulls were banned from the city years before it was banned from the province.
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: Looney
Nothing wrong with rotts and doberman... they're great dogs. Pitbulls on the other hand, i don't like. A dog that was specifically breed for fighting, is just too psychotic for most people. I think for pitbulls, ownership should require a license.

Yeah, that's why I'm going to buy a doberman. They've never had bad publicity.
 

PlatinumGold

Lifer
Aug 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: HotChic
Originally posted by: Looney
Nothing wrong with rotts and doberman... they're great dogs. Pitbulls on the other hand, i don't like. A dog that was specifically breed for fighting, is just too psychotic for most people. I think for pitbulls, ownership should require a license.

Eh, a decade ago rotts had the same sort of media attention that pitbulls are having now (which is kinda odd to me, since all the rottie's I've met have been real sweet.)

Today?s media is filled with sensational headlines of dog attacks. Routinely quoted in these newspaper accounts are dated statistics from the Centers for Disease Control. The last CDC study released documented which breeds of dogs caused the most human fatalities from 1979 through 1998. While the CDC did an admirable job of studying fatal dog attacks, and went to great lengths to point out that irresponsible owners were the cause of most of these incidents, the media and lawmakers continue to use CDC statistics to substantiate claims that certain breeds of dogs are inherently more "vicious" than other breeds.

from http://www.fataldogattacks.com/ a pro dog site.

however, my contention isn't about the dog itself but about ownership. i don't think people have a natural right to dog ownership. people should be licensed to own dogs. they should be required to take their dogs to vets once a year to show the dogs aren't being mistreated.

 

miri

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Jun 16, 2003
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Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: HotChic
Originally posted by: Looney
Nothing wrong with rotts and doberman... they're great dogs. Pitbulls on the other hand, i don't like. A dog that was specifically breed for fighting, is just too psychotic for most people. I think for pitbulls, ownership should require a license.

Eh, a decade ago rotts had the same sort of media attention that pitbulls are having now (which is kinda odd to me, since all the rottie's I've met have been real sweet.)

Maybe where you live, but where i am i've never heard of a rott that killed or attack somebody. But in the last 15 years of living in this area, pitbulls have been in the news almost a dozen times. Pitbulls were banned from the city years before it was banned from the province.

Rottweilers responsible for most fatal dog attacks on humans

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/09/15/deadly.dogs.ap/

The large dogs were involved in 33 fatal attacks on humans between 1991 and 1998, the American Veterinary Medical Association said.

 

Looney

Lifer
Jun 13, 2000
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Originally posted by: miri
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: HotChic
Originally posted by: Looney
Nothing wrong with rotts and doberman... they're great dogs. Pitbulls on the other hand, i don't like. A dog that was specifically breed for fighting, is just too psychotic for most people. I think for pitbulls, ownership should require a license.

Eh, a decade ago rotts had the same sort of media attention that pitbulls are having now (which is kinda odd to me, since all the rottie's I've met have been real sweet.)

Maybe where you live, but where i am i've never heard of a rott that killed or attack somebody. But in the last 15 years of living in this area, pitbulls have been in the news almost a dozen times. Pitbulls were banned from the city years before it was banned from the province.

Rottweilers responsible for most fatal dog attacks on humans

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/09/15/deadly.dogs.ap/

The large dogs were involved in 33 fatal attacks on humans between 1991 and 1998, the American Veterinary Medical Association said.

Like i said, maybe in your areas. There's a reason why pitbulls have gotten so much attention in Ontario and not rotts.
 

PlatinumGold

Lifer
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what is with all the stupid parodies. this is thread and question is a legitimate one and one i think a person has a right to question. sure there are a lot of dog owners here at ATOT, but so what, that means those of us that don't keep dogs can't question whether or not some dog owners can control their pets or not?

 

DrPizza

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Question:

Why do these arguments keep coming up? What difference does it make what breed of dog you have? If you want a pet dog, why does it have to be some certain breed? Why not go to the local SPCA and adopt a mongrel or a mutt?

That was somewhat of a rhetorical question. I know the answer - for many people, the specific breed of the dog serves as a sort of symbol, status or otherwise. "No, we don't have a mutt. We have an AKC registered ------" Realistically there are few considerations besides small, medium, and large; playful or less active; quiet or loud... (well, then there's retarded looking, but that's for poodle owners, and poodles should be officially kicked out of the club.)

Now, what are you symbolizing when you decide "I'm going to own a pitbull. That's the breed for me." What's the reason for that breed vs any other breed? Is it to say "I want to be a bad-azz" similar to the e-thug opinions that I've been reading? If so, then that's just fine. That's your right.
 

Zap Brannigan

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
stfu. dogs are NOT dangerous unless they are trained to be dangerous.


some breeds are dangerous even if they aren't "trained" to be dangerous.

Point-Counter Point with zero facts on either side to back anything up, only a mater of time before someone wastes more bandwith by pointing this out for no particular reason at all.
 

orion23

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Oct 1, 2003
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Whatever people.

I wish I could own a tiger legally! I would walk it down your street and let your kids play with it. Afterall, I'm an animal lover, the tiger will be a loving creature, however, if he desides to have a kid for lunch and I can't stop him, I apologize in advance!

Thanks!
 

TitanDiddly

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Dec 8, 2003
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Originally posted by: SampSon
I was almost killed by a jar of peanut butter when I was younger, it left me with a huge hole in my arm, 80+ stitches, plenty of scars and a hatred for peanuts.

Even after all of that I really don't care what kind of condiments people own, it's none of my business. I do not like crunchy peanut butter whatsoever, but it's all about the owner and not the peanut butter.

 

Falloutboy

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Jan 2, 2003
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Originally posted by: Ned
Originally posted by: SampSon
I was almost killed by a jar of peanut butter when I was younger, it left me with a huge hole in my arm, 80+ stitches, plenty of scars and a hatred for peanuts.

Even after all of that I really don't care what kind of condiments people own, it's none of my business. I do not like crunchy peanut butter whatsoever, but it's all about the owner and not the peanut butter.

making fun of something like this isn't funny

 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
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i want a tiger. u see all other other tigers that siegfried and roy had were just very well behaved. it was just that one...
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: zerocool1
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
stfu. dogs are NOT dangerous unless they are trained to be dangerous.

/thread

sorry, don't think they are trained to rip faces off children. it just happens with some breeds. don't delude yourself. the power of selective breeding shows itself through the wide variety of breeds and their special abilities. but somehow we are supposed to pretend this doesn't apply with dangerous breeds bred for hundreds of years for fighting or guard duty. head in the sand bullsh*t. a form of political correctness really.
 

Conky

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My dog loves everybody. Coolest dog ever

It's sad that some people have bad experiences with other peoples bad dogs... hey, I've been there too many times over... but having a fine dog is one of the things that makes life worth living. :thumbsup:

Don't hate the dog, hate the owner that lets their dog be bad or neglected. I like dogs better than I like most people... dogs don't know how to be hateful unless they are taught.

 

piasabird

Lifer
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Some breeds are obviously have the potenetial to be more dangerous than others. They were bred to have more aggressive and viscious tendencies. In some cases the breed already tended to be more aggressive and then were used for their traits. Every breed of dog has different traits or characteristics. Some breeds do not make very good pets.

Dobermans are not more meaner than most, but they are very playful and very protective of their owners. Their wierd set eyes sometimes look quite scary with their teeth bared they can be quite scary looking. A trainer can take their protective instincts and make them more viscious than the really are. They are probably just taught to protect whether that be property or a person.

German Shepherds are much the same way.

I would not own a pit bull. I think they are too dangerous.

I think dogs are too much work and prefer my cat; she does not eat as much.
 

hemiram

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Originally posted by: Looney
Nothing wrong with rotts and doberman... they're great dogs. Pitbulls on the other hand, i don't like. A dog that was specifically breed for fighting, is just too psychotic for most people. I think for pitbulls, ownership should require a license.

You need to understand one thing about Pits and most other fighting dogs. They were bred to fight OTHER DOGS, not people. A pit that bit it's owner during a fight was put down. Many, not all Pits are dog agressive, and usually it's same sex agression. Some love everyone, including cats, ferrets, etc. Mine was a "wuss" unless provoked to an insane point, my cat bossed him around most of his life. When he was attacked by other dogs, he took many "hits" before retaliating, he didn't want to fight, he was always wanting to be friends. But after a certain point, he would respond, and the first time he did, it stunned us, since he showed no signs of any real fighting ability at all. He was strong as hell, just kind of a clown. My present dogs, Dobe/Lab/Husky mixes are much less forgiving, but just about as cuddly. The female will fight anything on four legs that comes into "her" yard. But the neighbor's kids come in to get a ball, and she wants to play with them. A mentally normal dog knows the difference between a dog and a person.

My old Pit mix, and 99.9% of the ones I've been around over the last 40 or so years (The neighbors had one when I was a little kid, and have met many since then) are the cudliest dogs of all, great with kids and any other person, even people they should have been cautious of. One neighbor of mine had a Pit stolen during a burglary! He got the dog back when the idiot burglar took the dog to the same vet my neighbor did. The vet recognized him right away, and knew he was stolen. He kept the guy busy in a exam room until the cops came. The dog had been gone for two weeks and was upset to leave the guy, until my neighbor came to get him.

Another neighbor had one that loved me, so insanely it was almost embarrassing, but hated other male dogs, and would attack one on sight. He was fine with most female dogs, but never around another male dog. He loved little kids, and was totally trustworthy around them. They could, and did do things to him that almost any other breed of dog would have not tolerated it, but he, and most Pits did, and actually liked it.

A normal pit is the opposite of psychotic, they are insanely stable. With their huge pain tolerance, they don't panic when stepped on. My old dog hurt himself playing several times badly enough that if it was you or me, we would be curled into a ball on the floor. Instead he wagged his tail like it was nothing. My friend's daughter groped, poked and hugged him to the point he hated it, but he sat there and let her do it, until she got tired out, and went to sleep with him laying up against her.

If abused though, and the fighting guys, especially do have to abuse them to "make them mean" since a normal Pit loves just about everyone. There are many working breeds, including some of the Done and Shepherd lines, thay ARE people agressive, with people they don't know.

I'm a big guy, and I'm not really afraid of any dog, but I'm cautious when I meet a strange German Shepherd, or St. Bernard. I have been bitten by a GS, and my Pit was attacked by the biggest one I ever seen. If my dog had been say, a poodle, he probably would have been badly hurt. Instead, the Shepherd learned that attacking an unknown dog is a dumb move, and you can get hurt badly doing it.

But I've met a few great GS's, and I don't want them "licensed" or "restricted".

A St Bernard got carried away wanting something to eat he thought was in my pocket. He got pretty nasty and tore my pants all up before the owner drug him away. I don't want any restrictions placed on them either.

Sure, there are a few bad Pits out there, and they should be restricted, after they do something that shows they are agressive towards people. But to single out Pits is the dog equivelant of racial stereotyping. Just because the dog is a xxxxx doesn't mean it's mean, psychotic, etc.
 

hemiram

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Pets are stupid period. If you have an animal it should serve a purpose other then being a friend.

That's kind of sad. A dog or cat is about the best friend you can have, totally loyal (well at least a dog is) to the point of worship. I would never be without at least a cat, as a pet, but I would pick a dog if I had to choose.

Companionship IS a purpose. My dogs are great watchdogs, bug and mouse catchers too, but I've had a couple that wouldn't bother someone who broke down a door and came after me with a knife. They loved everyone.

I will always have at least two dogs.
The price of their food and vet bills is nothing compared to the enjoyment the provide.
 
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