Should people be allowed to own big, dangerous dogs?

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: moshquerade
yeh, i am prejudice against certain breeds. those that have killed people.
i have never claimed that i wanted those breeds banned though, please read.

If you're claiming that

how'd you like to run into one that doesn't fall into your "most" but is still vicious?

yeh... thought so.

didn't clearly imply that you were in favour of banning the ownership of certain breeds, especiall given that you juxtaposed it against a post that was in opposition to banning the ownership of certain breeds, then you have even less logical ability than I gave you credit for initially.

ZV

that post had nothing in it worth reading.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Codewiz
You misunderstand EVERYTHING.

Dogs are not dangerous. People who don't train their dogs or train them to be aggressive are dangerous.

Don't blame the dog, blame the people. If the dog is trained properly, then it will never never never EVER disobey its owner. End of Story. Too bad, piss poor owners cause problems for all dog owners. BTW, this goes for pit bulls. Pit bulls are NOT aggressive towards people by nature. Lack of training causes it. Pitbulls are strong willed and if their owner doesn't know how to train them, they can become a dangerous dog.

I currently am in a class with my dog. An owner with a pitbull is in there. It is an extremely sweet dog. However, the owner is just starting to get a handle on the dog. Pitbulls want to be the alpha dog, and if you own one, you can't let them be the alpha.

i agree with you to a point. you are still going to have some pits show they are agressive and get out of control even with the best of owners.

i have a friend who owns a pit. he's a great owner. he and his pit were playing around and the pit clamped onto his neck. scared the hell out of him.
what's the excuse for that?

Simple, the pitbull is the alpha dog........

As an owner of a pitbull, you CANNOT let that dog be dominate. If the owner is viewed as the alpha dog, then the pitbull will let his owner do whatever he wants to it.

so you are saying he is a sucky owner?

Where did I say he is a sucky owner? You can love the dog but if you don't know how to train the dog then you are going to have problems.

Until I helped train some dogs, I NEVER knew how to properly train a dog. There are lots of bad ideas. Such as yelling at the dog using its name. NEVER use the dogs name when it is in trouble. Otherwise, if it knows it did something wrong, it won't respond to its name.

so you are saying right here and right now that a "properly trained" pit will NEVER harm anyone?

YES, if a pitbull is trained properly, it will NEVER harm a person. The pitbull will view ALL humans as alpha males over it. The only time it would ever get aggressive is if the owner were being attacked. Then it would be aggressive.

Guess what, if the dog thought the owner was being attacked and the owner said "No" to a properly trained pit, it would stop in its tracks.

However, most pitbull owners do not understand the breed and give it a bad name.

right, most pitbull owners do not understand the breed and with good intentions they still aren't training their dogs properly.
that makes for a lot of dangerous pitts out there, doesn't it?

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Codewiz
You misunderstand EVERYTHING.

Dogs are not dangerous. People who don't train their dogs or train them to be aggressive are dangerous.

Don't blame the dog, blame the people. If the dog is trained properly, then it will never never never EVER disobey its owner. End of Story. Too bad, piss poor owners cause problems for all dog owners. BTW, this goes for pit bulls. Pit bulls are NOT aggressive towards people by nature. Lack of training causes it. Pitbulls are strong willed and if their owner doesn't know how to train them, they can become a dangerous dog.

I currently am in a class with my dog. An owner with a pitbull is in there. It is an extremely sweet dog. However, the owner is just starting to get a handle on the dog. Pitbulls want to be the alpha dog, and if you own one, you can't let them be the alpha.

i agree with you to a point. you are still going to have some pits show they are agressive and get out of control even with the best of owners.

i have a friend who owns a pit. he's a great owner. he and his pit were playing around and the pit clamped onto his neck. scared the hell out of him.
what's the excuse for that?

Simple, the pitbull is the alpha dog........

As an owner of a pitbull, you CANNOT let that dog be dominate. If the owner is viewed as the alpha dog, then the pitbull will let his owner do whatever he wants to it.

so you are saying he is a sucky owner?

Where did I say he is a sucky owner? You can love the dog but if you don't know how to train the dog then you are going to have problems.

Until I helped train some dogs, I NEVER knew how to properly train a dog. There are lots of bad ideas. Such as yelling at the dog using its name. NEVER use the dogs name when it is in trouble. Otherwise, if it knows it did something wrong, it won't respond to its name.

so you are saying right here and right now that a "properly trained" pit will NEVER harm anyone?

YES, if a pitbull is trained properly, it will NEVER harm a person. The pitbull will view ALL humans as alpha males over it. The only time it would ever get aggressive is if the owner were being attacked. Then it would be aggressive.

Guess what, if the dog thought the owner was being attacked and the owner said "No" to a properly trained pit, it would stop in its tracks.

However, most pitbull owners do not understand the breed and give it a bad name.

right, most pitbull owners do not understand the breed and with good intentions they still aren't training their dogs properly.
that makes for a lot of dangerous pitts out there, doesn't it?

Yes but that is not the breeds fault. It is stupid people that cause the problem.

I live in the south with tons of stupid idiot rednecks that like having pitbulls. I would not feel safe around those dogs but I don't blame the breed for it.

Pitbulls are some of the friendliest gentle dogs when raised properly.

 

[Captante]

A properly trained PURE-BRED pitbull from a quality breeder is very unlikely to attack anyone...with pits in particular its important to know your dogs bloodline more then with many other potentially aggressive dogs because after a certain amount of inbreeding some instability can occur making the dogs unpredictable and aggressive.
Further many people buy pits to feel "macho" & as a result lots of amatuer breeders DO breed their dogs for aggression because it sells their animals & this is particularly true in inner-cities where dog-fighting occurs frequently .. pits are also the dog of choice for gangs to use to guard meth-labs which only adds fuel to the fire when an attack happens... the origin of & training the dog received is seldom discussed.
I've known several pit-bulls (all purebreds btw) that were lovable & friendly family dogs and none of them was even aggressive towards other dogs, male or female.. I've also witnessed a Pit-bull breaking away from a stupid punk-kid and charging down the sidewalk to attack two people... that dog should have been put to sleep & the owner should have been charged with assault (somthing which seldom happens) but banning a particular breed of dog instead of holding the dogs owner fully responsible for the dogs actions is taking a "band-aid" approach to the problem.

 

[Turbopit]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
stfu. dogs are NOT dangerous unless they are trained to be dangerous.

Exactly. Most people should not be allowed to have dogs or any pet PERIOD. Hell, 95% of the population should not be allowed tohave kids.

Pets are stupid period. If you have an animal it should serve a purpose other then being a friend.

What? You know whats stupid? Spending all you time trying to get really good deals on computer equipment and then only use the computer to search out more good deals on computer equipment. Pretty much all "stuff" is stupid. Why do people need a house full of STUFF? Cars? Those are stupid also, they just cost money and more money.

 

[Turbopit]

Originally posted by: HotChic
Pit bulls are a little different, I think, since the temperment in the breeding is naturally a bit aggressive. .

Yes, aggressive, but not towards people, not naturally.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: JonnyStarks
In Ontario pit bulls were recently banned. I think that even if a good person owns it then it can still have a mean streak in it and snap...

Agreed. This breed of dog must be outlawed once and for all.

 

[daweeze02]

Originally posted by: HotChic

Originally posted by: orion23
I guess it is the same reason why people aren't allowed to own big cats or alligators.
Sure they can be trained, but at 1 point or another, they can just be wild, dangerous animals. And if they are too big or strong for the owner to control them, there will always be victims (usually others, not the owners themselves)

People shouldn't be allowed in public with very big or dangerous pets, period. If they can harm someone else, they don't belong in public.

Oh yeah, I'm an animal lover, I just don't believe in putting others in danger!
and to the guy who said "STFU" Fvkc u!

Some of the meanest and most aggressive dogs I've ever met were improperly socialized daschunds. I got bit by one as a kid, the same one that chased all the kids in the neighborhood viciously whenever it had a chance. "Very big" does not equate to "very dangerous". I agree people shouldn't bring dangerous animals out in public, but how do you measure "dangerous" ahead of time? It's not always associated with size.

Haha thats funny, because i have to weenie dogs, a smooth and a wire hair. Neither one would ever hurt anyone, but when my cousins are over they play football and the older one tackles his younger brother. Everytime this happens whiskey my older daschund jumps on my cousins back nipping at his shirt trying to pull him off of his brother.

 

[vi edit]

The way I look at it is this:

You have to have a license and show some form of competency to operate a vehicle that can easily kill yourself or someone else.

You have to have a license (to at least concealed carry) a firearm and maintain some level of competency to carry a gun that can easily kill yourself or someone else.

You should have to have a license and some sort of training and/or competency to own a pet that could easily outpower you and kill you or someone else.

Unlike cars and guns, dogs actually have their own free will, which is a scarey thought.

And with dogs, there is a lot of variation between breeds. A Yorkshire terrier isn't a threat while a Rottie is.

A golden retreiver isn't much of a threat while a pittbull is.

Some breeds are born agressive and are just much more physically hard to control. With those breeds I don't see it as unreasonable to have to take a class or maintain a license to continue owning them.

 

[JulesMaximus]

No, and this thread needs more poll.

 

[Mo0o]

I think for some breeds there should be ownership licenses. Pitbulls and Rotts may be docile if properly trained but they can also be vicious killers if improperly trained, that's just their nature.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I'll never forget one time I was at the vet about a year or two ago. A couple pulled up in an SUV with a Saint Bernard in the back and this beast was mean as hell. They kept him in the vehicle until the place was ready for him and let me tell you, the staff was actually afraid of this mutt. He was almost out of control and the owners really didn't have any control over the beast either. He practically jumped over the counter trying to attack the people who worked there. I got the hell out of there quickly but that mutt should have been put down.