Discussion Should PETA be considered a Religion or Cult?

whm1974

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Well the group People for The Ethical Treatment of Animals(PETA) do have a Statement of Faith that they follow quite strongly despite the very heavy evidence against this. Life eats Life, and animals kill and eat each other, so why is it immoral for Humans to do likewise?
www.peta.org

Check out their website and feel free to make your judgement about if PETA is a religion or not. And come to think of it, meat eating along with cooking set our primitive ancestors on the path to evolve into Modern Humans.
 

fskimospy

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Well the group People for The Ethical Treatment of Animals(PETA) do have a Statement of Faith that they follow quite strongly despite the very heavy evidence against this. Life eats Life, and animals kill and eat each other, so why is it immoral for Humans to do likewise?
www.peta.org

Check out their website and feel free to make your judgement about if PETA is a religion or not. And come to think of it, meat eating along with cooking set our primitive ancestors on the path to evolve into Modern Humans.

There are lots of things animals do that people would consider immoral so it’s not really relevant as to whether or not other animals eat each other as to if we should. I mean after all animals torture each other for amusement, they rape each other, etc.

I’m not a fan of PETA and I think a lot of their tactics are dumb and counterproductive. There’s nothing wrong with humans holding ourselves to different moral and ethical standards than those that exist in nature though.
 

pmv

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I occasionally worry that God is a hard-core Vegan/animal rights fanatic. Such a deity would make at least as much sense as all the mainstream posited Gods. Seems far more plausible that if an angry rightous smiting, laying-down-vengeance sort of God existed, they would be angry about slaughterhouses rather than gay bathhouses.

That's the trouble with the idea that belief in God keeps people moral. First you have to construct/choose your God.

PETA are obviously annoying and inconsistent, but almost everyone already thinks that. Not sure the distinction between a religion and an ideology/worldview is really that significant.
 

feralkid

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Well the group People for The Ethical Treatment of Animals(PETA) do have a Statement of Faith that they follow quite strongly despite the very heavy evidence against this. Life eats Life, and animals kill and eat each other, so why is it immoral for Humans to do likewise?

Many animals kill and eat their own offspring, so why is it immoral for humans to do likewise?

I'm not endorsing PETA, but you could certainly use a better argument than that.
 

Amused

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Yes, and so should:
Climate change denialists
Anti-vaxxers
Conspiracy theories
Extreme partisanship
Trump supporters
MLMs
Karens
 

whm1974

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There are lots of things animals do that people would consider immoral so it’s not really relevant as to whether or not other animals eat each other as to if we should. I mean after all animals torture each other for amusement, they rape each other, etc.

I’m not a fan of PETA and I think a lot of their tactics are dumb and counterproductive. There’s nothing wrong with humans holding ourselves to different moral and ethical standards than those that exist in nature though.
I wasn't saying that we Humans should be cruel to animals lower in the food chain, but I do find it to be very offensive that people seems to far more concern with with Animal Cruelty instead of the widespread suffering of their fellow Human beings.

Did you know that laws were passed against Animal Abuse long before laws were made against Child Abuse and Neglect. There wereeven a filthy rich woman living in the City of Brotherly Love during the 19th Century who ordered her son's broken leg chopped off just because it was cheaper then fixing his leg.
 

fskimospy

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I wasn't saying that we Humans should be cruel to animals lower in the food chain, but I do find it to be very offensive that people seems to far more concern with with Animal Cruelty instead of the widespread suffering of their fellow Human beings.

Did you know that laws were passed against Animal Abuse long before laws were made against Child Abuse and Neglect. There wereeven a filthy rich woman living in the City of Brotherly Love during the 19th Century who ordered her son's broken leg chopped off just because it was cheaper then fixing his leg.

I agree that people's concern for animals often exceeds their concern for people, which is pretty shitty, but also seems to be genuinely part of the human psyche.

After all the way to make the audience hate a villain isn't to have him kill 100 people, it's to have him kill one dog.
 

whm1974

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I agree that people's concern for animals often exceeds their concern for people, which is pretty shitty, but also seems to be genuinely part of the human psyche.

After all the way to make the audience hate a villain isn't to have him kill 100 people, it's to have him kill one dog.
Man I've just seen Alita: Battle Angle where one of the villains did exactly that.
 

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Shortly after I went plant-based I was looking for extra motivation. I wanted to look at things from a vegan angle so I watched the documentary Earthlings. Some of what I saw was expected while other things upset me on a deeper level. I'm willing to bet that over 50% of the population would quit eating meat if they knew how their food was made or if they had to kill and process their food themselves. There is a reason why they keep all that stuff hidden from people.
 
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fskimospy

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Shortly after I went plant-based I was looking for extra motivation. I wanted to look at things from a vegan angle so I watched the documentary Earthlings. Some of what I saw was expected while other things upset me on a deeper level. I'm willing to bet that over 50% of the population would quit eating meat if they knew how their food was made or if they had to kill and process their food themselves. There is a reason why they keep all that stuff hidden from people.

Sounds like you need to go to Bovine University.

 

sportage

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my concerns are for the animals being they have so few options for protection and support.
PETA may not be perfect but if you were a dog or cat held in a 2 x 2 foot cage 24/7 you'd welcome any chance for rescue or attention available.
If animals could talk they would not start some debate about PETA when facing life and death situations, animals would want someone, anyone to care.
Humans can be extremely evil and all animals need whatever help is out there to protect them.
 

compuwiz1

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Animals have rights! They have the God given right to be tasty. One of the rights granted by our creator is dominion over animals. All your animals are belong to us.
 
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It should be consider a Culigion. Duh.

Last I heard is that PETA is a lot like the "god hates fags" group (forget their name at hte moment).... They basically make huge publicity scenes and then have an army of lawyers.
 

compuwiz1

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It should be consider a Culigion. Duh.

Last I heard is that PETA is a lot like the "god hates fags" group (forget their name at hte moment).... They basically make huge publicity scenes and then have an army of lawyers.

Their cult leader, Fred Phelps died a few years back. I wonder how his meeting with God went?
 
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my concerns are for the animals being they have so few options for protection and support.
PETA may not be perfect but if you were a dog or cat held in a 2 x 2 foot cage 24/7 you'd welcome any chance for rescue or attention available.
If animals could talk they would not start some debate about PETA when facing life and death situations, animals would want someone, anyone to care.
Humans can be extremely evil and all animals need whatever help is out there to protect them.

PEATA doesn't save animals, it kills them in it's 'shelters' and it's been doing so for a long time.
 
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OP, you seem to have a lot of guilt about your lifestyle. I'm almost certain that you've ranted about PETA before and even just vegans in general. I have a strong hunch you haven't even actually had much if any interaction with either group, but you're clearly bothered by their mere existence, which says a lot more about you than anything.

Hell I can't remember the last time I heard about PETA when it wasn't some jackoff doing what they were bitching about themselves crying about PETA for simply existing. To me they're about as relevant as Greenpeace, they were semi-famous because of some stunts, but have since been overshadowed by people focusing on the legit parts of their messages and bypassing much of the antics. So people becoming concerned about climate change, pollution, and humane treatment of animals (or feeling that's impossible as part of the industrial food production of various animal products - including ones that don't require killing the animals like milk/cheese).

I'm not vegan, but I love that its becoming more and more common. At this point, one of the main reasons I am is because it sure seems to piss off people like you.

If PETA is a cause for concern in your life, your life is pretty damn good.

Bingo. There's about a billion things to be making a fuss about before PETA these days. But hey, guess he doesn't seem to care all that much about the actual people being put into cages, so much for his concern about people being not concerned with humans enough.

PEATA doesn't save animals, it kills them in it's 'shelters' and it's been doing so for a long time.

Which is not exactly uncommon in animal shelters, so why people act like that's some bombshell, I don't know. Sometimes the most humane thing is to end suffering.

It should be consider a Culigion. Duh.

Last I heard is that PETA is a lot like the "god hates fags" group (forget their name at hte moment).... They basically make huge publicity scenes and then have an army of lawyers.

As usual you don't know what you're talking about (big surprise there). Fred Phelps was a lawyer (he actually used to be well respected and was one of the few that would defend black people in Topeka back in like the 60s) and they weren't just making a scene to try to get lawsuits, although they did file some lawsuits when places tried to do various things to prevent their protests. They are for real crazy people that have their own interpretation of the Bible.

Frankly their existence is one of the reasons why many bigoted people in Kansas don't think they themselves bigoted because they think bigots are people who do crazy shit like that, where its over the top.

Then again, PETA isn't that either, but not like anyone seems to care. That's not to say they're positive or haven't ever had frivolous lawsuits. But its not like their antics nullifies the objective truth parts of their arguments.
 
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As usual you don't know what you're talking about (big surprise there). Fred Phelps was a lawyer (he actually used to be well respected and was one of the few that would defend black people in Topeka back in like the 60s) and they weren't just making a scene to try to get lawsuits, although they did file some lawsuits when places tried to do various things to prevent their protests. They are for real crazy people that have their own interpretation of the Bible.

Frankly their existence is one of the reasons why many bigoted people in Kansas don't think they themselves bigoted because they think bigots are people who do crazy shit like that, where its over the top.

Then again, PETA isn't that either, but not like anyone seems to care. That's not to say they're positive or haven't ever had frivolous lawsuits. But its not like their antics nullifies the objective truth parts of their arguments.

What about what I said says I don't know what I'm talking about?

They had an army of lawyers. Fact.
They would have frivolous lawsuits - due in part to being good lawyers. Fact.

What am I missing here? The fact that I didn't mention that it is a cult of crazies? I kinda figured that was implied. I didn't feel the need to go into details.

Try getting off your pedestal of angry emotions for once okay bud? /Brofist.
 

Puffnstuff

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I think that they're a religious cult. I love animals myself. Why today I had a cow wrapped around my waist and feet. Sometimes I wrap one around my upper body if its cold enough outside. Sometimes I drink moo juice. I love everything beef and adore cheeseburgers so yeah I love cows!
 

DisarmedDespot

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They're irrelevant.

I fully expect animal rights to get more mainstream attention as time goes on, without groups like PETA. The New York times had an interesting article about former vegetarians and vegans turning into butchers. They weren't rejecting their previous opinions, they had gotten into it because of opposition to factory farms and they became butchers with a focus on free-range raised livestock and such. With plant-based substitutes like the impossible burger getting more common, I won't bat an eyelash if meat producers try to move more upscale and turn to more 'ethical' meats.
 
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