Should religious parents who impart their religion to their child have their child removed?

AreaCode707

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I know this isn't likely to happen in the US, and I'm not suggesting that it should, but I'm curious whether whether this would be a good idea in your eyes. Looking for serious opinions, not hyperbole.

If you say yes, I'd really love to hear a sentence or three on your reasoning and whether you consider your opinion to be mainstream or expect it to be mainstream in the future.

Thanks!
AC707
 

Crono

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Parents are invariably going to impart (to some degree) their beliefs on their kids. Kids grow up, though, and have the choice of believing or disbelieving when they reach an age of accountability and being able to think and reason for themselves.

Answer: No, provided the religious beliefs are not advocating violence or other practices that cause injury to others or the children. There is some subjectivity to that if it comes to court cases, unfortunately.
 

Nik

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On young ones, no. As the child matures and reaches an age of accountability, choosing to discontinue said activities, the parent needs to respect the youth's decision. Parents who force their teenagers to go to church and youth groups and bible studies and all that nonsense need to be counselled or something. Even as adamant as I am against religion, actually removing the child from the parent because of such parental decision should not be happening.
 

TallBill

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The reason that I've never seen this question raised before... is because it's fucking stupid

Sorry AC707, nothing personal.
 

Crono

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Originally posted by: TallBill
The reason that I've never seen this question raised before... is because it's fucking stupid

Sorry AC707, nothing personal.

Well, you will see some trolls and extremists who would say "yes", but the overwhelming majority would agree that no, they shouldn't have their child removed. So it doesn't make a very good question, except maybe as a springboard for other discussions.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: TallBill
The reason that I've never seen this question raised before... is because it's fucking stupid

Sorry AC707, nothing personal.

Well, you will see some trolls and extremists who would say "yes", but the overwhelming majority would agree that no, they shouldn't have their child removed. So it doesn't make a very good question, except maybe as a springboard for other discussions.

I never was good at diving.
 

ed21x

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Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: TallBill
The reason that I've never seen this question raised before... is because it's fucking stupid

Sorry AC707, nothing personal.

Well, you will see some trolls and extremists who would say "yes", but the overwhelming majority would agree that no, they shouldn't have their child removed. So it doesn't make a very good question, except maybe as a springboard for other discussions.

exactly. Every parent imparts their beliefs on their children, and religion is just another one. When it comes down to it, people will ultimately make the choice for themselves given a certain level of maturity.
 

IronWing

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I guess if the parents were imparting any of them weird religions on their kids it would be okay to nab them.
 

Crono

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Originally posted by: ed21x
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: TallBill
The reason that I've never seen this question raised before... is because it's fucking stupid

Sorry AC707, nothing personal.

Well, you will see some trolls and extremists who would say "yes", but the overwhelming majority would agree that no, they shouldn't have their child removed. So it doesn't make a very good question, except maybe as a springboard for other discussions.

exactly. Every parent imparts their beliefs on their children, and religion is just another one. When it comes down to it, people will ultimately make the choice for themselves given a certain level of maturity.

Yup. If this ever happened, you would have to question whether it's right to take away kids based on politics, social status, etc. Unless the parents are doing some actual physical or mental/emotional harm (which would show itself physically in some fashion, such as self mutilation, extreme isolation, etc, not just that someone thinks taught beliefs qualify as mental harm) or teaching their kids to do such to others, children should stay with their parents.

The government or community should only intervene when there are serious issues of abuse. Maybe one day society will be corrupt enough to take away kids at the drop of a hat, but hopefully that day will never come.
 

RapidSnail

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Originally posted by: ironwing
I guess if the parents were imparting any of them weird religions on their kids it would be okay to nab them.

Since that's entirely subjective, it's better to judge based on quantitative standards such as physical abuse.
 

elmer92413

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I've thought about this recently, in addition to thinking about this when I read Dawkin's thoughts on this. I've been coming to the conclusion that to say that parents are brainwashing their kids by imparting religion to such an extant to warrant removal would not be......(can't think of quite the right word).....but in essence if we grant that imparting religion is wrong then we must also admit that imparting just about anything is wrong, so being born into the world would be on the same level of wrongness. And that is the contradiction to it. If we want to go so far as to say that teaching a highly impressionable child something that they will retain and believe, is wrong then we must stop them from being taught by anyone and they would have to discover things on their own. That is neither acceptable nor realistically possible, children must be taught certain things, and thus religion will continue to be a part of that.

But also consider that a fundamental part of the Judeo-Christian believe is to "Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it." So unless you can convince them that their bible is wrong (and thus their whole religion and then they would have no reason to further impart it) this is a moot discussion and only useful as an exercise in thought, which I still like though.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Originally posted by: ironwing
I guess if the parents were imparting any of them weird religions on their kids it would be okay to nab them.

Since that's entirely subjective, it's better to judge based on quantitative standards such as physical abuse.

Yup, because believing in god is pretty fucking weird in my book.
 

Crono

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Originally posted by: elmer92413
I've thought about this recently, in addition to thinking about this when I read Dawkin's thoughts on this. I've been coming to the conclusion that to say that parents are brainwashing their kids by imparting religion to such an extant to warrant removal would not be......(can't think of quite the right word).....but in essence if we grant that imparting religion is wrong then we must also admit that imparting just about anything is wrong, so being born into the world would be on the same level of wrongness. And that is the contradiction to it. If we want to go so far as to say that teaching a highly impressionable child something that they will retain and believe, is wrong then we must stop them from being taught by anyone and they would have to discover things on their own. That is neither acceptable nor realistically possible, children must be taught certain things, and thus religion will continue to be a part of that.

But also consider that a fundamental part of the Judeo-Christian believe is to "Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it." So unless you can convince them that their bible is wrong (and thus their whole religion and then they would have no reason to further impart it) this is a moot discussion and only useful as an exercise in thought, which I still like though.

Prudent?

And I agree with what you said.
 

AreaCode707

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Originally posted by: TallBill
The reason that I've never seen this question raised before... is because it's fucking stupid

Sorry AC707, nothing personal.

I completely agree with you, especially as a homeschooled Christian kid, but if I was going to find anyone espousing this level of stupidity it would be on ATOT. I wondered if anyone would sign up.
 

Crono

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Originally posted by: AreaCode707
Originally posted by: TallBill
The reason that I've never seen this question raised before... is because it's fucking stupid

Sorry AC707, nothing personal.

I completely agree with you, especially as a homeschooled Christian kid, but if I was going to find anyone espousing this level of stupidity it would be on ATOT. I wondered if anyone would sign up.

There will always be one, lol.

 

irishScott

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In the case of fanatics and cooks (ie: Westboro Baptist Church) the idea might have some merit. For the other 99% of the population, no.

I believe that kids, upon reaching adolescence and adulthood, should be allowed to develop more-or-less on their own in this field (barring extremes). Parents should not be so set in their ways as to deny their child individuality, or as to deny themselves the ability to learn from their child. I'm probably not the norm, but many times during my adolescence I dealt with things in a more "adult" manner than my parents. Case in point: Their marriage counselor recently asked my parents to implement a "time out" system (where one person could say "time out" and whatever issue they were arguing over would be temporarily tabled). Granted it didn't work (abuse of the system), but guess what I was telling them to do when I was 14.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: AreaCode707
Originally posted by: TallBill
The reason that I've never seen this question raised before... is because it's fucking stupid

Sorry AC707, nothing personal.

I completely agree with you, especially as a homeschooled Christian kid, but if I was going to find anyone espousing this level of stupidity it would be on ATOT. I wondered if anyone would sign up.

Dammit, don't use words that I don't know. I may have received my associates degree with honors, but that doesn't make me a genius
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: AreaCode707
I know this isn't likely to happen in the US, and I'm not suggesting that it should, but I'm curious whether whether this would be a good idea in your eyes. Looking for serious opinions, not hyperbole.

If you say yes, I'd really love to hear a sentence or three on your reasoning and whether you consider your opinion to be mainstream or expect it to be mainstream in the future.

Thanks!
AC707

This sounds unconstitutional to me.
 

AreaCode707

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Originally posted by: WildHorse
Originally posted by: AreaCode707
Originally posted by: TallBill
The reason that I've never seen this question raised before... is because it's fucking stupid

Sorry AC707, nothing personal.

I completely agree with you, especially as a homeschooled Christian kid, but if I was going to find anyone espousing this level of stupidity it would be on ATOT. I wondered if anyone would sign up.

So you're tactlessly saying that only an idiot would post in your thread?
Well then guess I don't "qualify."

Pretty much, but I didn't put it in the OP so that maybe I'd hear the responses! If you look at my posting trends, you'll actually find I do this in pretty much every thread I post. I rarely put my opinion in the oP.
 

IronWing

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Originally posted by: AreaCode707
Originally posted by: WildHorse
Originally posted by: AreaCode707
Originally posted by: TallBill
The reason that I've never seen this question raised before... is because it's fucking stupid

Sorry AC707, nothing personal.

I completely agree with you, especially as a homeschooled Christian kid, but if I was going to find anyone espousing this level of stupidity it would be on ATOT. I wondered if anyone would sign up.

So you're tactlessly saying that only an idiot would post in your thread?
Well then guess I don't "qualify."

Pretty much, but I didn't put it in the OP so that maybe I'd hear the responses! If you look at my posting trends, you'll actually find I do this in pretty much every thread I post. I rarely put my opinion in the oP.

You got your scarf on?
 
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