Should Sen. Ted Cruz be recalled?

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raildogg

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The ACA doesn't really start taking effect until 2014.

where is your evidence that something that has done nothing to this point, is already a disaster?

Well, many people have already received letters notifying them of the increase of insurance costs. Many businesses are preparing as well. This is a fluid matter. People don't sit still when something of this magnitude is coming their way.
 

Texashiker

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Well, we already know there is no tax

What poverty? Why do you think this will happen? It will certainly not happen.

Again, anyone that thinks his terms of "negotiation" were any kind of terms of negotiation has not graduated past the 2nd grade.

He is a man child and in the court of public opinion, this has sent his chances for the presidency down the shitter.

I dont know about you but my premiums went up this month.

Then there are a lot of people who are facing outragous premiums.

Then there are people who are looking at paying a fee because they can not afford health insurance.

This affordable health care act is going to be terrible for people who live paycheck-to-paycheck.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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What statement was actually made?

The government shutdown COST us money. Do you idiot Republicans not realize this?

If you are actually for fiscal conservatism you would never ever advocate for such a thing. The right way to enact change in this country is to convince people of the power of your ideas and win elections to elect your representatives into Congress. Then get a Republican president onboard that will sign these ideas into laws. This process has worked well for us since our inception and it is the hallmark of our democracy.

You think that you can subvert all of this by threatening to blow up the world's economy? Think again you fucking morons.
 

openwheel

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boy, the far right is truly blind....

to go as far as blaming Obama for the government shutdown. I hope they do realize they are in the minority with that assumption...

Obama is as much to blame for the shutdown, as my boss is for my error on my report.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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Obamacare has little to do with your premiums going up in the short term. They were GOING to go up anyways. We won't begin to see real savings until the pool starts growing and more people sign up for health insurance.

The only way to reduce our HC expenditures is to subsidize the costs across a larger group of people.
 

raildogg

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Obamacare has little to do with your premiums going up in the short term. They were GOING to go up anyways. We won't begin to see real savings until the pool starts growing and more people sign up for health insurance.

The only way to reduce our HC expenditures is to subsidize the costs across a larger group of people.

And it's done by government forcefully shoving laws down? If it is, then they should make it a fully socialized system where the insurance companies are gotten rid of.
 

openwheel

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What statement was actually made?

The government shutdown COST us money. Do you idiot Republicans not realize this?

If you are actually for fiscal conservatism you would never ever advocate for such a thing. The right way to enact change in this country is to convince people of the power of your ideas and win elections to elect your representatives into Congress. Then get a Republican president onboard that will sign these ideas into laws. This process has worked well for us since our inception and it is the hallmark of our democracy.

You think that you can subvert all of this by threatening to blow up the world's economy? Think again you fucking morons.

True. It's very ironic, as a moderate republican, I am embarassed to see these bafoons' actions. A government shutdown is the most wasteful of all government waste. It almost feels like the extreme right does not understand how government works, or want to understand. At some point, ideology has to take a step back to reality.

Ted Cruz, John Boehner, and the likes are absolutely embassing to my conservative ideologies. They are doing more harm than good imho. I hope we elect more moderate conservatives next time.
 

ABC10

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I would love to see the Dems try to recall Senator Cruz as they tried with Governor Walker. Seeing big Ed Schultz, Chris Matthews and the other MSNBC Libs cry on TV when their crusades fail is always fun and a delight.
Is it election day 2014 yet? More and better Repubs in the Congress.
 
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thraashman

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I am not in Texas (thank someone's god) so I don't know about recall, but if someone can find a way to permanently remove his ability to speak I would gladly donate to get the procedure performed.
 

ABC10

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I am not in Texas (thank someone's god) so I don't know about recall, but if someone can find a way to permanently remove his ability to speak I would gladly donate to get the procedure performed.

Ted is gonna be the next President of the USA. The Dems can ignore him as we conservatives have ignored what's his name.
BTW, I agree about a well regulated Militia but the last time the Supremes looked at the 2nd Amendment, two years ago, they didn't agree and think it is more about the right to bear arms.
 
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Mxylplyx

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Why is that stance not logical?

Trying to save the people from an outragous tax is not logical?

Trying to save the middle class from being driven into poverty is not logical?

Do you think repeating the same thing over and over makes it any more true?

Your argument is based entirely on ideological passions and predictions that have not come true. The Republicans engaged in a political fight that they COULD NOT WIN. They took a hostage, ie the United States economy, that they weren't really willing to shoot, and tried to use it for leverage to demand concessions. It is not an ideological argument to suggest that was entirely stupid, it is common sense. Why is it so hard for you to understand the basic principles of political leverage, won via elections and reinforced with public opinion polls?
 

Moonbeam

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If he wanted to make a statement...fine. If he actually thought he had a chance of accomplishing anything beyond that...then he's incredibly stupid and should not be thanked.

I think his aim was to move to the front of his party. He holds the threat of primarying from the right.
 

Mxylplyx

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I think his aim was to move to the front of his party. He holds the threat of primarying from the right.

Going to be good comedy when they push him out front for the 2016 Republican nomination. The even better part is they will actually believe he has a chance of winning, and then reality will fly in the face of their beliefs once again. I imagine at that point though the party will have moved on to doubting the whole concept of math, and demand his confirmation because they REALLY, REALLY believe that he should have won.
 

zinfamous

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I dont know about you but my premiums went up this month.

Then there are a lot of people who are facing outragous premiums.

Then there are people who are looking at paying a fee because they can not afford health insurance.

This affordable health care act is going to be terrible for people who live paycheck-to-paycheck.

well, there is no ACA right now so your premiums went up "magically," as they always have every year before.

Not sure why you want to blame the ACA, when it isn't doing anything right now.
 

Fern

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well, there is no ACA right now so your premiums went up "magically," as they always have every year before.

Not sure why you want to blame the ACA, when it isn't doing anything right now.

I'm hearing of these large increases and they are being blamed on Obamacare. I'm not sure, but it seems as some policies are being renewed they're being changed to adopt to Obamacare requirements even though it may not technically be in force for a couple of months.

Fern
 

raildogg

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I'm hearing of these large increases and they are being blamed on Obamacare. I'm not sure, but it seems as some policies are being renewed they're being changed to adopt to Obamacare requirements even though it may not technically be in force for a couple of months.

Fern

In some cases, the only plans are completely discontinued due to Obamacare. The new plans are called Bronze, Silver, etc. And there are extra benefits, such as maternity care, that not everyone will use.
 

thraashman

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Ted is gonna be the next President of the USA. The Dems can ignore him as we conservatives have ignored what's his name.
BTW, I agree about a well regulated Militia but the last time the Supremes looked at the 2nd Amendment, two years ago, they didn't agree and think it is more about the right to bear arms.

It seems EXTREMELY unlikely that someone as far on the political fringe as Ted Cruz will be President any time soon. I can't even come close to finding a person on the left who is as radical and fringe as Ted Cruz is on the right.

And so far as the Supreme Court ruling on the 2nd Amendment, I understand that's how they ruled and that they dictate law. I feel they got it wrong and the evidence is clear, but no one is going to agree with all rulings by the USSC. However I think Citizens United was a far more egregious error by the USSC than any 2nd Amendment ruling could be.
 

Siddhartha

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Leading a divisive and reckless wing of the Republican party, this man shut down the government for 2 weeks and he ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING. In other words, he jeopardized the economy, people's jobs, and the credit of the United States, all in order to lead a Quixotic and self-serving charge on a health care law that never could have succeeded in the first place.

Is this truly the type of person that Americans deserve as a lawmaker? Should his actions be rewarded or punished, what do you guys think?

Update: Mr. Cruz's hometown paper now regrets it's endorsement of him http://www.chron.com/opinion/editor...y-Bailey-Hutchison-4898405.php?cmpid=opedhprr

Wow, even his own hometown paper hates him.

Shrug, he represents Texas. He will probably get re-elected by a landslide. His base of supporters have enough pull in the Republican party that he will be able to do well in Iowa but I doubt he would do well in New Hampshire.
 

Thebobo

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Yes, it's a tantrum. Because unless you are his constituent it has nothing to do with you.

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Actually it does, it affects my pension, my interest rates and as a gov employee my workload is going to be huge for the foreseeable future. It affects many people, I have friends who are gov contractors who have not been able to work for 2 + weeks because of this guys irrational behaviour. And what did this accomplish other then fucking folks over. NOTHING!
 

openwheel

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I am a contractor and my pay is slashed. My company has laid off overhead employees due to this shutdown. We are waiting to get back to work. Meantime we are NOT allowed to use PTO and losing salary everyday we sit at home doing nothing. When we do get back it will take more money and time to get things back in order. Its the nature of my line of work.

Total waste of tax payer money. Cruz should be ashamed.
 
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Bird222

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According to S&P fiscal conservative Ted Cruz and the tea party cost the US $24 Billion with this stunt. We are at the exact same place we were 2 weeks ago. Ted Cruz is all about Ted Cruz. He is just wanting to boost his name recognition and raise money. The people that think otherwise are fooling themselves. Tell me this, if he is so principled why isn't he doing a filibuster now when it could actually stop the CR but he "filibustered" when it didn't matter? He is grandstanding plain and simple.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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LMAO at anyone that thinks Ted Cruz could ever be President.

When will Republicans learn that no far right candidate has a shot at winning a National election. The fringe is killing them, but they are too stupid to see this.
 
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