Should Sen. Ted Cruz be recalled?

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sportage

Lifer
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Honestly we should vote out everyone in the house on both sides of the isle.

Democrats stuck together. And were reasonable. Not allowing a gun to the head to force an issue. That seems to be a logical position any sane person could agree with.
Paying the bills, keeping the federal government functional,
that too seems to be a no brainer which every democrat supported.
So I see no logical reasoning to trash democrats for the insane actions of a small group from the other side.
Toss them all out is just an over simplified knee jerk reaction.
In the end, Harry Reid refused to be bullied by unreasonable republicans.
Nothing wrong with that.
 

badb0y

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This shutdown achieved nothing, instead it showed that Republicans are not willing to go all the way. Good luck threatening with default next time, fuck man I hate this government.
 

FelixDeCat

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Ted Cruz is an American patriot. He showed our worthless president and Demorats that they are SHARING power. Our worthless president wants to be a dictator. He should be impeached for not wanting to resolve this crises.
 

trenchfoot

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If anything, after perusing this thread I can say that I have a better understanding of why far right zealots like Ted Cruz can get elected and even re-elected. Figuratively speaking, guys like Cruz got elected to spit in the face of the rest of the nation for electing a black president AND having that president pass a law that enables millions more Americans to have health care that they otherwise wouldn't have been able to acquire.

The ACA is simply being treated as an effigy of the president by the Repubs. It's not so much about getting rid of the ACA, it's more about hurting Obama the man and stripping him of any respect and honorarium he acquires and epecially so when it comes to the legacy this president will leave behind him. IMO, the Repubs logic is that to have Obama stand out in a good way is to make the Repub presidents before him seem lesser in stature and make things much harder for the Repubs to re-take the White House after Obama leaves.

Just imagine that a health care program called "Obamacare", of which the Repubs themselves created out of sheer spite for it, became as popular and established as the hated and reviled Medicare and Social Security programs that millions of Americans now consider an important supplement to their incomes, especially so for those who are retired and those soon to be retired.

If I were a far right nut job like Cruz, the nightmarish thought of having a lasting tribute to America's first black president prosper and steadily gain strength along with the commensurate respect and admiration of the man himself would be agonizingly unbearable.

Cruz himself is not a disease; he is moreso a painful symptom of a disease that the party he belongs to is suffering from.
 

ABC10

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Ted Cruz is an American patriot. He showed our worthless president and Demorats that they are SHARING power. Our worthless president wants to be a dictator. He should be impeached for not wanting to resolve this crises.
Right On!!!!!!!!!! :wub::wub::wub:
 

ABC10

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If anything, after perusing this thread I can say that I have a better understanding of why far right zealots like Ted Cruz can get elected and even re-elected. Figuratively speaking, guys like Cruz got elected to spit in the face of the rest of the nation for electing a black president AND having that president pass a law that enables millions more Americans to have health care that they otherwise wouldn't have been able to acquire.

The ACA is simply being treated as an effigy of the president by the Repubs. It's not so much about getting rid of the ACA, it's more about hurting Obama the man and stripping him of any respect and honorarium he acquires and epecially so when it comes to the legacy this president will leave behind him. IMO, the Repubs logic is that to have Obama stand out in a good way is to make the Repub presidents before him seem lesser in stature and make things much harder for the Repubs to re-take the White House after Obama leaves.

Just imagine that a health care program called "Obamacare", of which the Repubs themselves created out of sheer spite for it, became as popular and established as the hated and reviled Medicare and Social Security programs that millions of Americans now consider an important supplement to their incomes, especially so for those who are retired and those soon to be retired.

If I were a far right nut job like Cruz, the nightmarish thought of having a lasting tribute to America's first black president prosper and steadily gain strength along with the commensurate respect and admiration of the man himself would be agonizingly unbearable.

Cruz himself is not a disease; he is moreso a painful symptom of a disease that the party he belongs to is suffering from.

No body cares about Obama or being black but great to the a successful Hispanic. The Hispanics are natural Conservatives and Republicans.
Looks like breaking up ain't so hard to do.
 

trenchfoot

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No body cares about Obama or being black but great to the a successful Hispanic. The Hispanics are natural Conservatives and Republicans.
Looks like breaking up ain't so hard to do.

OK, I'd like to respond in reasonable fashion, but uhhh, I'm not seeing where you came from, where you're at and where you're going with this.

Care to clarify? If not, no biggie.
 

Matt1970

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Indeed, the perspective of having one's head shoved up Ted's rectum. You know if you contact his office, they might send you a signed photo.

As you type this from under Obama's desk. Make sure you do like Monica and keep the dress with the stains on it.
 

diesbudt

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1) Just because a congressman represented what his region wanted and is against another persons belief (in this case liberal), this does not make him a problem. He was doing his job that he was elected for. That is how politics work. Someone is elected to be the voice of a larger group of people, even if it is a horrible stance.

2) Government in and of itself is bad, corrupt, broken. Some republicans voted No on the Bill last night, yet afterwards on comment expressed they hope the bill passes. This just goes to show most, if not all politicians will stick with party loyalty above their own beliefs and what region they represent wants. How pathetic is that?

3) No one would really have attacked the ACA / Obamacare if, and I mean IF 1 thing was removed from the law. The MANDATORY requirement of insurance. This sole purpose was a reason a lot of people became against it. Forcing people to do something they may not want. I hope a lot of people who are against it still and don't have insurance just doesn't get insurance and refuse to pay the fine.

4) It did NOTHING, what people really wanted. What people wanted was a similar program in other countries with cheap/free healthcare. This healthcare is NOT cheap. If you have a pre-existing condition, yes you now have the ability to be insured. But from what I could read Premiums are almost 2x that of someone the same w/o said pre-existing condition.

5) The only mistake (admitted by plenty of republicans last night) that the republicans made, is that they linked their fight against ACA with the budget. They should have kept that as a separate fight, to control spending. Linking it with the ACA, is like a personal attack to democrats as that is the "achievement" of the current administration, and because of that both sides decided to become 4yr old children until the last second where they had no choice. And what happened? All that was done was the budget talks can was kicked down the road for another few months.
 

dank69

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OK, I'd like to respond in reasonable fashion, but uhhh, I'm not seeing where you came from, where you're at and where you're going with this.

Care to clarify? If not, no biggie.
It looked to me like some sort of attempt at sarcasm.
 
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1) Just because a congressman represented what his region wanted and is against another persons belief (in this case liberal), this does not make him a problem. He was doing his job that he was elected for. That is how politics work. Someone is elected to be the voice of a larger group of people, even if it is a horrible stance. Sometimes, what's right for the country isn't what the people desire most, and sometimes, that means voting against what the constituents think they want.

2) Government in and of itself is bad, corrupt, broken. Some republicans voted No on the Bill last night, yet afterwards on comment expressed they hope the bill passes. This just goes to show most, if not all politicians will stick with party loyalty above their own beliefs and what region they represent wants. How pathetic is that? Government is not inherently good or bad. It's made up of people whom we appoint. Want good government? Elect and appoint good and capable people. As for some voting 'no' but hoping it passes, that's just politics and the nature of having to fight it out in elections. Though, in general, the Republicans were wrong, and frankly, stupid, to use this as a bargaining chip.

3) No one would really have attacked the ACA / Obamacare if, and I mean IF 1 thing was removed from the law. The MANDATORY requirement of insurance. This sole purpose was a reason a lot of people became against it. Forcing people to do something they may not want. I hope a lot of people who are against it still and don't have insurance just doesn't get insurance and refuse to pay the fine. If you want to force the coverage of pre-existing conditions without driving insurance costs through the roof, you have to have everyone in the insurance pool. And sometimes, life happens - you're feeling great, and then you come down with some horrible illness.

4) It did NOTHING, what people really wanted. What people wanted was a similar program in other countries with cheap/free healthcare. This healthcare is NOT cheap. If you have a pre-existing condition, yes you now have the ability to be insured. But from what I could read Premiums are almost 2x that of someone the same w/o said pre-existing condition. There were numerous proposals on the table, but some people kept saying no and screaming about imaginary death panels. And then there were plenty of centrist Democrats that couldn't be brought on-board the single-payer train. So we ended up with this compromised plan, where we can at least have some across the board standards in coverage and an easy way to compare prices from different companies. It's not perfect, but what legislation is ever perfect from the get-go?

5) The only mistake (admitted by plenty of republicans last night) that the republicans made, is that they linked their fight against ACA with the budget. They should have kept that as a separate fight, to control spending. Linking it with the ACA, is like a personal attack to democrats as that is the "achievement" of the current administration, and because of that both sides decided to become 4yr old children until the last second where they had no choice. And what happened? All that was done was the budget talks can was kicked down the road for another few months. It was a stupid way to fight, regardless of what they were fighting for. Using the debt ceiling and a government shutdown to force what they want through is not an appropriate tactic. I know I wouldn't like this tactic if the situation were reversed. If they actually tried to reach across and find a real compromise, they could marginalize the tea-party idiots in the House by using the Democratic block to fill the gap. Sure, everyone doesn't get completely what they want, but everyone gets a little bit of what they want. To blame both sides equally for this fight is misguided. One group clearly has much more culpability than the other. If they want to cut spending, they need to sit down with the Democrats. It might mean higher taxes in some instances, but they could extract spending cuts and reforms to certain areas of current public policy. Cut programs that don't work well, fund ones that are working well, etc...

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Bird222

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3) No one would really have attacked the ACA / Obamacare if, and I mean IF 1 thing was removed from the law. The MANDATORY requirement of insurance. This sole purpose was a reason a lot of people became against it. Forcing people to do something they may not want. I hope a lot of people who are against it still and don't have insurance just doesn't get insurance and refuse to pay the fine.

You do realize that the whole thing falls apart if everyone doesn't get insurance right? There would be no point in having the ACA otherwise.
 

dank69

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You do realize that the whole thing falls apart if everyone doesn't get insurance right? There would be no point in having the ACA otherwise.
I know I've mentioned that to him on at least one occasion.
 

2timer

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Lol. It's so hilarious for me to hear people claiming "Ted Cruz did what his constituents wanted." That's a completely false statement. Did people want him to shut down the government, make his party look bad, and achieve NOTHING? OF COURSE NOT! Give me a break! At best you can say that people elected Ted Cruz to repeal or defund Obamacare. And so far not only has he failed to do so, he also gave Republicans the WEAKER hand in budget negotiations by tanking public opinion, AND this buffoon brought the government to a standstill. If you think that just being a thorn and an obstructionist and accomplishing NOTHING is what Ted Cruz is "supposed" to do, I have news for you: the Republican party is heading towards extinction sooner than later. It's not just becoming more extreme and less centrist, it's also about shifting demographics. In 5 to 10 years, at the rate Ted Cruz is going Republicans won't even have the votes to stall in the House anymore.
 

ABC10

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Lol. It's so hilarious for me to hear people claiming "Ted Cruz did what his constituents wanted." That's a completely false statement. Did people want him to shut down the government, make his party look bad, and achieve NOTHING? OF COURSE NOT! Give me a break! At best you can say that people elected Ted Cruz to repeal or defund Obamacare. And so far not only has he failed to do so, he also gave Republicans the WEAKER hand in budget negotiations by tanking public opinion, AND this buffoon brought the government to a standstill. If you think that just being a thorn and an obstructionist and accomplishing NOTHING is what Ted Cruz is "supposed" to do, I have news for you: the Republican party is heading towards extinction sooner than later. It's not just becoming more extreme and less centrist, it's also about shifting demographics. In 5 to 10 years, at the rate Ted Cruz is going Republicans won't even have the votes to stall in the House anymore.

Funny, the Dems had the House and Senate till 2010 ending 4 years of their domination. In 5 years, the Hispanics will be voting Republican as they have no natural affinity to the Dems.
I do have a friend who did the Obama Care. Turns out he is eligible for Medicaid and another added to the Health Dole.
 

2timer

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Funny, the Dems had the House and Senate till 2010 ending 4 years of their domination. In 5 years, the Hispanics will be voting Republican as they have no natural affinity to the Dems.
I do have a friend who did the Obama Care. Turns out he is eligible for Medicaid and another added to the Health Dole.

Yeah, well the Dems lost some House seats, but if the Republicans keep up the shenanigans and brinksmanship as they have, they aren't going to be very popular the next election, I guarantee that.
 
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Funny, the Dems had the House and Senate till 2010 ending 4 years of their domination. In 5 years, the Hispanics will be voting Republican as they have no natural affinity to the Dems.
I do have a friend who did the Obama Care. Turns out he is eligible for Medicaid and another added to the Health Dole.

What? Not sure if serious. Most Hispanics vote for the democrats and it will most likely continue this way. What possible reason would they vote for republicans?

Many of them favor big government so they will vote for more big government.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Yeah, well the Dems lost some House seats, but if the Republicans keep up the shenanigans and brinksmanship as they have, they aren't going to be very popular the next election, I guarantee that.

How are you going to guarantee that? Post bad things about Republicans on the internet? Throw a temper tantrum? Or maybe launch a Moonbeam (tm) profanity lace tirade???
 

2timer

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How are you going to guarantee that? Post bad things about Republicans on the internet? Throw a temper tantrum? Or maybe launch a Moonbeam (tm) profanity lace tirade???

It's simple really, I just look at the results:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zach-friend/tea-party-again-gets-what_b_4117000.html

http://www.people-press.org/2013/10/16/tea-partys-image-turns-more-negative/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-17/how-the-tea-party-will-die.html

Basic facts:

Due to the Tea Party, the government was shutdown and nothing was accomplished due to this shutdown other than delaying a budget and almost defaulting on the government's debt.

Polls are showing that most Americans now hold an unfavorable view of the Tea Party.

The Tea Party's demands controlled the Republican caucus in the House for all the most recent political battles.

These are all facts that illustrate why the majority of Americans aren't going to want to support the Tea Party, and yet the Tea Party is the dominant force in the Republican party. It's pretty clear that the Tea Party will become more powerful, yet is becoming less popular. What do you think will be the result of these trends?
 

Londo_Jowo

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Yet I'll bet most if not all of the Republicans that voted against the CR will be reelected next year. All these articles you posted that won't the read by the vast majority of Americans nor remembered come the elections come November 2014 and therefore just like your words/posts............a waste of time and breath.
 

monovillage

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It's simple really, I just look at the results:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zach-friend/tea-party-again-gets-what_b_4117000.html

http://www.people-press.org/2013/10/16/tea-partys-image-turns-more-negative/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-17/how-the-tea-party-will-die.html

Basic facts:

Due to the Tea Party, the government was shutdown and nothing was accomplished due to this shutdown other than delaying a budget and almost defaulting on the government's debt.

Polls are showing that most Americans now hold an unfavorable view of the Tea Party.

The Tea Party's demands controlled the Republican caucus in the House for all the most recent political battles.

These are all facts that illustrate why the majority of Americans aren't going to want to support the Tea Party, and yet the Tea Party is the dominant force in the Republican party. It's pretty clear that the Tea Party will become more powerful, yet is becoming less popular. What do you think will be the result of these trends?

You are lying about your poll numbers, the poll data said that 49% have an unfavorable view, not "most Americans now hold an unfavorable view '" which means that 51% either have a favorable view or don't know/care.

Keep on lying though.
 

Jhhnn

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I get your point, but it's still not a tantrum. Even if I couldn't partake in a recall, that doesn't preclude me from asking the question. What you don't understand is I'm not throwing a temper tantrum at all, I'm asking if he should be recalled for his reckless and divisive actions which have done so much harm to the country.

I think that the Teahadists should run him for President in 2016, and that the whole Repub party should ride on his coattails. Straight into the political wilderness.
 

Jhhnn

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Yet I'll bet most if not all of the Republicans that voted against the CR will be reelected next year. All these articles you posted that won't the read by the vast majority of Americans nor remembered come the elections come November 2014 and therefore just like your words/posts............a waste of time and breath.

Heh. You underestimate how much Americans are sick of their shit, their demands for attention, their extortion, their all too obvious obstructionism. They're actually changing the Repub brand, and not in a good way.
 
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I think that the Teahadists should run him for President in 2016, and that the whole Repub party should ride on his coattails. Straight into the political wilderness.

Why are they "teahadists" while real Islamic jiahdists are often ignored/downplayed? Love the double standards from you and your ilk.

You probably got Tea bagged and this is your way of getting back at the Tea Party?
 
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