This. But conservatives are pretty evil these days so they will do exactly that - turn it into a state and federal level culture war.
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I'm ok if individual sports bodies(state athletic groups, high schools overseeing bodies, ect) make an honest assessment and appeal to their athletes and families and make a reasonable attempt at inclusion and fairness.
I have no interest in shitters in state politics turning this into a stupid culture war that is just explicitly for cruelty and kicking marginalized communities. Because that's what it is right now.
Maybe they need Termite from the Boys season 3 to inspect these politicians both inside and out.This is vice-signaling, pure and simple, anti-trans dog whistle behavior. It's overwhelmingly a non-issue.
And now you've got shitshow bills like the Ohio one, where the accusation that a girl might be a trans girl (and it's always aimed at trans women) gets to submit to an INTERNAL and EXTERNAL genital examination.
Fact check: Ohio bill banning transgender girls from female sports could require genital checks
Ohio Republicans passed a bill that has pediatricians worried they may be asked to perform invasive genital exams on their patients.www.dispatch.com
Because it's very, very important to Republicans to protect girls from being sexually assaulted, they will have state-mandated sexual assault, just to be sure.
*First out trans cheerleader. It's entirely plausible that there have been ones who were not out. I know transphobes believe they can always spot trans people, but I assure you that they cannot.IDK if you guys saw it or not but the NFL has its first transgender cheerleader.....
The NFL's first out trans cheerleader readies for her Carolina Panthers debut | CNN
Justine Lindsay, a new member of the Carolina Panthers cheer squad, is the first out transgender cheerleader in the NFL. She'll make her regular season debut later this year.www.cnn.com
The Lea Thomas story shows you just can’t let someone self identify and be instantly eligible. There needs to be strict rules developed for testing estrogen/testosterone levels. There needs to be several years post treatment before someone is eligible.
I have a friend who works in NJ for a psych institution. He told me an inmate identified as a woman but still had a penis. They were out in the women’s section and got 6 other women pregnant. Self identifying without rules does not seem to work
I don’t want an outright ban but there needs to be more rules to allow competition. Cis female athletes are afraid to speak out because of potential backlash. I don’t think it’s fair to female athletes when from birth the body is formed with an infrastructure where bones are larger and muscles are bigger
Agreed. This is when doctors and sports associations should work together to figure out fair rules.
I haven't seen the show, but I've read the comic series, and I hear at least some of the graphic nature of the comics remained intactMaybe they need Termite from the Boys season 3 to inspect these politicians both inside and out.
(and if you don’t know what I’m referring to be glad. The opening to season 3 episode 1 is NSFL)
Most of us can't even produce semen after a year or more on HRT, let alone get someone pregnant. And it can be a looooong wait to get surgery if you want to get it in the US.The Lea Thomas story shows you just can’t let someone self identify and be instantly eligible. There needs to be strict rules developed for testing estrogen/testosterone levels. There needs to be several years post treatment before someone is eligible.
I have a friend who works in NJ for a psych institution. He told me an inmate identified as a woman but still had a penis. They were out in the women’s section and got 6 other women pregnant. Self identifying without rules does not seem to work
It's pretty brain dead to think a man would subject himself to extreme prejudice and discrimination for the rest of his life in exchange of some meaningless sports trophies.
yes but it's not surprising coming from the type of humans that try to make this argument.
*First out trans cheerleader. It's entirely plausible that there have been ones who were not out. I know transphobes believe they can always spot trans people, but I assure you that they cannot.
I agree with those that say this shouldn't be a political issue. Why does the Pennsylvania legislature care so much about transgirls in sports? I don't really care about sports in general, unless maybe they are esports, such as Starcraft. But if someone wants to play in a sport, if they look like a girl and feel like a girl, let them compete as a girl. The Southpark scenario, however hilarious, is an extreme, unrealistic example.
What about your completely androgen insensitive XYs? Phenotypical females but XY.Gender is an abstract term that means fuck-all in reality. It's a social construct. It's a stupid fucking way to assign people to sports divisions, and another stupid fucking way to divide people on an issue that should be irrelevant.
Keep it real fucking simple.
Divisions based on biological sex that can easily be measured.
1. XX -> XX Division.
2. XY -> XY Division.
3. Co-Ed Division (open to whomever applies)
XXY and XYY exist but can have developmental issues that would probably preclude them from "making" an XX, XY or Co-Ed Division.
OK, problem completely solved in about a paragraph, now on to how we're going to prevent catastrophic collapse as a species. Thanks in advance.
I agree with those that say this shouldn't be a political issue. Why does the Pennsylvania legislature care so much about transgirls in sports? I don't really care about sports in general, unless maybe they are esports, such as Starcraft. But if someone wants to play in a sport, if they look like a girl and feel like a girl, let them compete as a girl. The Southpark scenario, however hilarious, is an extreme, unrealistic example.
OPAnswer: who gives a shit
This one is tough for me, because certainly some cis gendered female athletes do, at least per the Lia Thomas complaints. Maybe we, as a culture, just need to move forward and we ignore those voices? I honestly don't know.Answer: who gives a shit
Sports is what keeps them Rurals in line.This one is tough for me, because certainly some cis gendered female athletes do, at least per the Lia Thomas complaints. Maybe we, as a culture, just need to move forward and we ignore those voices? I honestly don't know.
Personally, I don't give a shit. It's just sports. We have a bit too high an obsession with sports (IMHO), but at the same time who am I to judge the value others see in competitive sports?
I agree with those that say this shouldn't be a political issue. Why does the Pennsylvania legislature care so much about transgirls in sports? I don't really care about sports in general, unless maybe they are esports, such as Starcraft. But if someone wants to play in a sport, if they look like a girl and feel like a girl, let them compete as a girl. The Southpark scenario, however hilarious, is an extreme, unrealistic example.