Should stupid kids skip school and learn a trade instead?

amdhunter

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Inspired by the "kids too stupid to know what = means thread"

After reading that thread, I got to thinking - Why should we waste money trying to teach children who are too stupid/lazy to learn? Wouldn't our resources be better spent teaching these kids labor skills?

I think it would be a great idea.

I think kids who are stupid and wasted their time learning nothing through High School will have nothing going for them when they [manage to] graduate/drop out. They will most likely end up on welfare, or work entirely too hard to make a meager living.

I know this for a fact. I look out my window and see these kids every day. They'll never amount to anything no matter how hard they try.

Instead, we should take these kids and rewind back a few years. We teach them a skill that requires no knowledge. These kids can be conditioned for labor, instead of academics.

For example, they can be trained to pave roads or highways, learn the arts of heating and ventilation, or even train them to defend our country from a young age. They could learn skills and disipline that would give them enough to live their lives productively, and not be doomed to working in McDonalds or end up homeless or in jail.

Let's face it. Kids who don't go to, or fail school miserably will have no choices in life. By allowing them to learn a trade early on, they can at least get a head start.

There are many people with no education that can succeed financially doing manual labor. Hell, I'd bet if you put a well-educated kid versus one that had years of job experience or training in todays job market...the kid who has the job experience would probably come out better.

What does ATOT think?
 
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SacrosanctFiend

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Oh, please, please. I'm still trying to hire upwards of 50 people with trade skills...cannot find them for the life of me. Too many liberal arts, "I can do whatever I set my mind to" type people applying for management roles...
 

amdhunter

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Oh, please, please. I'm still trying to hire upwards of 50 people with trade skills...cannot find them for the life of me. Too many liberal arts, "I can do whatever I set my mind to" type people applying for management roles...

These kids would be trained for specific industries. Studies can be done to see what industries are hiring, and offer training based on demand.
 

WraithETC

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I just wished we abandoned the no child left behind and every kids needs to go to school mentality. School isn't for everyone and forcing people who don't want to school to go just screws up the school system for those who truly want to use it.
 

amdhunter

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It certainly would have been a good idea for you.

TBH, I probably would have chosen a different path. I don't know why I thought education would bring me money later on in life.

My brothers (and sister) all joined the workforce right after High School (or GED in 2 cases), and they all make more money than I do.

They all own houses in really nice areas, all have multiple vehicles and all look down on me.

I chose to go to school instead, got a late start in the workforce, and now have a low level helpdesk job. I am no better than your average Indian Dell technician that you call up on the phone.

I wish I could go back and join the workforce earlier.
 

xSauronx

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I just wished we abandoned the no child left behind and every kids needs to go to school mentality. School isn't for everyone and forcing people who don't want to school to go just screws up the school system for those who truly want to use it.

grade/middle/high school or do you mean college? im not a huge fan of everything up to high school, but a good deal of it is pretty important
 

Turin39789

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TBH, I probably would have chosen a different path. I don't know why I thought education would bring me money later on in life.

My brothers (and sister) all joined the workforce right after High School (or GED in 2 cases), and they all make more money than I do.

They all own houses in really nice areas, all have multiple vehicles and all look down on me.

I chose to go to school instead, got a late start in the workforce, and now have a low level helpdesk job. I am no better than your average Indian Dell technician that you call up on the phone.

I wish I could go back and join the workforce earlier.

MEh. I'm being a mean drunk and that is unecessary. comment removed.
 

amdhunter

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grade/middle/high school or do you mean college? im not a huge fan of everything up to high school, but a good deal of it is pretty important

My opinion is by Sophomore year of High School, you'd be able to tell whether a kid will be suitable for further education or not.
 

mmntech

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I think everyone should have the right to a high school diploma. But, I think schools put way too much emphasis on academic learning/going to university. It's not for everyone. Just because your a tradesman doesn't mean you're dumb. There's a lot of money in it.
 

pontifex

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what makes you think they can be trained to do jobs if they can't even pass basic schooling?
 

overst33r

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They've been doing this in Europe for decades.

If you don't perform as well as you should by the end of 5th grade, you're going to trade school.
 
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MagnusTheBrewer

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Culinary school is considered a trade and it's NOT for stupid people. Most of the code monkey cubicle lizards here couldn't hack a trade school if they tried. Not only do trades demand brains but, skilled hands as well.
 

mcmilljb

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TBH, I probably would have chosen a different path. I don't know why I thought education would bring me money later on in life.

My brothers (and sister) all joined the workforce right after High School (or GED in 2 cases), and they all make more money than I do.

They all own houses in really nice areas, all have multiple vehicles and all look down on me.

I chose to go to school instead, got a late start in the workforce, and now have a low level helpdesk job. I am no better than your average Indian Dell technician that you call up on the phone.

I wish I could go back and join the workforce earlier.

You're better because you're Apple certified!

Honestly, I feel kids are basically fed their entire life they are failures if they do not go to college and/or make a lot of money for buying tons of meaningless crap. Plus kids are given grades instead of earning them. Maybe we should start holding more of our snowflake children back until they actually can pass, or they can go do a trade school. The only thing that matters in the business world is can you get the job done.
 

lykaon78

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My wife is a teacher and complains about the lack of "tracking" all the time. Her school prepares each kid like they are going to go to college. For some, its an obvious waste of time and a disservice.
 

ObscureCaucasian

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My one friend was not into school at all, but after we graduated HS get became an apprentice in the electricians union and does pretty well for himself.
 

Modelworks

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I don't like the term stupid. There is absolutely nothing wrong with NOT having a high school diploma or college degree and we need to stop putting down people that do not have it as if they are some lower form of life. I get sick of seeing people talking to someone and the person says "I didn't finish high school" and the person they are talking to reacts like that person just told them they had committed a crime or did something bad. People that had to drop out of high school are made to feel inferior. Then someone says they went to college and everyone acts like because they got in the door to a school they have ascended to another level of humanity. If everyone tells you that you will fail because you didn't finish school that is a hard obstacle to overcome.

I have said it before on here, but I have a brother who is dyslexic. He was told in 10th grade that he could not learn anymore. My parents were advised to remove him from school. He never attended another classroom again. That was over 20 years ago. He now earns more than I do, has his own business, and lives a good life. He still can't read or write well, but he is one hell of a salesman and is good with mechanical things so he used those skills . Does that make him somehow less human because he doesn't have a degree ? I know many 'educated' people that are sitting at home on unemployment.

There are a bunch of jobs that do not require reading, math, writing above about a 6th grade level. Many people are better at learning by doing than sitting in a classroom . I think they need to bring back vocational schools from years ago and start teaching trades like masonry, carpentry, landscaping, plumbing, welding and more.
 

Vette73

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No, stupid kids should just grow up and train other stupid kids to ask me if I want fries with that.

If stupid kids tried to learn a trade then we just have stupid plumbers, stupid framers, etc...
 
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