Should teachers or school admin carry guns?

[Oric]

Teachers being obliged to carry guns. So absurd, so 4th world if you pardon me

 

[TallBill]

Teachers being obliged to carry guns. So absurd, so 4th world if you pardon me

Mmmm. For about the 900th time, nothing mandatory but optional, just like any other citizen. By the way, 4th world countries don't exist. I've spent plenty of time in Afghanistan and their world is about 10,000 times shittier than ours.

 

[biostud]

Maybe just reinforced doors, with a heavy locking mechanism?

 

[PingviN]

And when a teacher goes to town on her class or school?

 

[kache]

Mmmm. For about the 900th time, nothing mandatory but optional, just like any other citizen. By the way, 4th world countries don't exist. I've spent plenty of time in Afghanistan and their world is about 10,000 times shittier than ours.

Logarithmic scale?

 

[MagickMan]

If a teacher or administrator has a CWP, they should be allowed to (discreetly) carry in school, provided they: pass a comprehensive psychological exam, are approved by the sheriff's/police dept, and have shown high weapon proficiency.

Essentially, that member of the faculty would be considered an auxiliary deputy/officer, with the authority and rights granted as such.

Edit: damn, I really like that, I'm going to bring this up with the local school board and county commission.

 

[MagickMan]

How sad is it that people would rather place armed police at schools, malls, and movie theaters instead of addressing what the REAL problem is.

Shitty parents and a lack of discipline?

 

[Sunburn74]

Teachers carrying guns? No.

Each class room being able to be locked down with simple steps in the setting of school violence. Eh... maybe.

 

[Geosurface]

I think the idea of hiring guards at every elementary school is just about as retarded an idea as I've ever heard in my life.

Think about the amount of money required across the nation to employ all of them in that way.

Think about the victory we'd be giving a handful of crazies by doing that because of their actions.

Think about the change in atmosphere at the schools.

But most importantly consider the logic of it.

You think that will stop anything? It might on occasion but... first of all, how many school days have transpired in this country, including the other day, at how many schools... where nothing at all happened? Consider the percentage of days and schools since this country first had public schools, where no shooting took place, vs. the number where a shooting did. It is LAUGHABLE to talk about changing policy based on something that rare.

At least, changing policy in this way.

Where will the guard be? At the door? Most schools have multiple doors.

Will he chill in the office until something happens? At my elementary school the kindergarten classrooms were about as far from the office as was possible, and it was a large building. By the time word (or sound) got to the office that a shooting was transpiring down there, and the guard got down there... it would all be over.

Limit all schools to one door and have the guard there? Stupid, but let's think about it for a second.

Now the guy breaks in a window at the classroom furthest from the door, and does his thing before anyone can get there to respond.

Or the guy, knowing there's one and only one person in the building with the power to stop him, goes for the guard first. Guard sits there day after day, nothing happening... suddenly this guy shows up with most likely a better gun, or an equivalent gun but he's ready, he has it out, cocked, safety off... and he KNOWS gunplay is about to start. The guard is dead before he can even think about drawing his weapon.

Having a pistol locked in the principles' office in a cabinet and/or one in the janitor's area, or gym teacher's office is a little bit more rational and miiiiight make sense.

But the measure to respond to this event which makes the most sense, is TO DO NOTHING AT ALL.

You don't kneejerk restructure your society based on random crazy people doing super rare shit.

 

[Geosurface]

Maybe just reinforced doors, with a heavy locking mechanism?

Won't work. Guy breaks in a window from the exterior, or is through the door and shooting before anyone can even begin the thought process of "I should lock the door."

This big tragedy here that everyone is shitting their britches over was one classroom right? What will you do to stop someone from taking out one classroom? Nothing.

You can do NOTHING to stop it.

Be glad it's rare. The end.

 

[nehalem256]

Won't work. Guy breaks in a window from the exterior, or is through the door and shooting before anyone can even begin the thought process of "I should lock the door."

This big tragedy here that everyone is shitting their britches over was one classroom right? What will you do to stop someone from taking out one classroom? Nothing.

You can do NOTHING to stop it.

Be glad it's rare. The end.

This.

Even if you allow teachers to carry guns what is to say that the class the person decides to take out will be one to carry a gun? What is the likely chance of an armed teacher managing to subdue a shooter compared to the increased risk to introducing guns in school?

I believe one of the articles about the event said that schools are still one of the safest places for your children to be.

Given limited amounts of resources if you want to save children's lives it makes sense to instead spending it on ways that will have a bigger impact.

 

[biostud]

Won't work. Guy breaks in a window from the exterior, or is through the door and shooting before anyone can even begin the thought process of "I should lock the door."

This big tragedy here that everyone is shitting their britches over was one classroom right? What will you do to stop someone from taking out one classroom? Nothing.

You can do NOTHING to stop it.

Be glad it's rare. The end.

Just build a school like a prison, bars in the windows etc.. Should also make school a really fun and relaxed learning environment.

 

[nehalem256]

Just build a school like a prison, bars in the windows etc.. Should also make school a really fun and relaxed learning environment.

Or just eliminate windows entirely. Not only will it prevent people from entering through them, but kids will be less distracted

 

[Geosurface]

Just build a school like a prison, bars in the windows etc.. Should also make school a really fun and relaxed learning environment.

Ha, yea agreed.

Or underground bunkers with Terminator-sniffing German Shepherds at the one and only entrance.

Or we can just accept that shit happens

 

[Engineer]

http://news.yahoo.com/tennessee-con...ct-against-shootings-192556978--politics.html

 

[Fern]

http://news.yahoo.com/tennessee-con...ct-against-shootings-192556978--politics.html

I can see that working out 'OK' in TN.

CT, not so much.

I still think limiting access by locking outside doors (possibly even classroom doors) and having a main entrance for visitors that requires you be 'buzzed' in etc is the best first step.

Fern

 

[piasabird]

I think it might be appropriate to have a gun locked up in a container in every classroom, as a weapon of last resort. Also for future schools they should have some better safeguards. Building some saferooms between say 2 or 4 classrooms might be nice. What good does locking doors do if every classroom has windows on the outside?

It might be nice also if sections of each building could have some fire doors that can automatically close and lock so it makes it possible to lock down the other sections of the school where the shooter is not. Short of putting nockout gas in canisters and putting everyone to sleep, I dont see no real way to protect students. A school is kind of like a big warehouse.

Of course a dedicated nutjob could also chain all the doors shut and pour out some gas and light it.

 

[TallBill]

I can see that working out 'OK' in TN.

CT, not so much.

I still think limiting access by locking outside doors (possibly even classroom doors) and having a main entrance for visitors that requires you be 'buzzed' in etc is the best first step.

Fern

What's the difference?

 

[Engineer]

I can see that working out 'OK' in TN.

CT, not so much.

I still think limiting access by locking outside doors (possibly even classroom doors) and having a main entrance for visitors that requires you be 'buzzed' in etc is the best first step.

Fern

You mean better than what they had in CT? They had locked doors and a buzzer. He used to gun, shot out the glass and entered. Would need bullet proof lexan and locks beyond that.

 

[Medu]

I think it might be appropriate to have a gun locked up in a container in every classroom, as a weapon of last resort. Also for future schools they should have some better safeguards. Building some saferooms between say 2 or 4 classrooms might be nice. What good does locking doors do if every classroom has windows on the outside?

It might be nice also if sections of each building could have some fire doors that can automatically close and lock so it makes it possible to lock down the other sections of the school where the shooter is not. Short of putting nockout gas in canisters and putting everyone to sleep, I dont see no real way to protect students. A school is kind of like a big warehouse.

And then the nut jobs will just find a different target, or target the school at a different time- you know when everyone is walking out as if in one massive firing line. What then? Get students to go 1 by 1 with armed guards at either side and snipers on the roof?

Easy access to high powered weapons with enough ammo to protect a thousand homes for a few lifetimes is the problem, not the lack of ex Navy Seal teachers armed to the teeth.

Of course a dedicated nutjob could also chain all the doors shut and pour out some gas and light it.

Yes because sealing every door in a school, filling it with gas without anyone noticing and then blowing it sky high is just as easy stealing your mom's assault rifle and shooting 5-10 year olds....

 

[Ausm]

Yeah I want EVERYONE to pack heat who has thoroughly been trained with a 2 hour class. Hell they would be more proficient than SWAT or Seal team six!

 

[Engineer]

Who needs teachers when we now have kids taking guns to school. I wonder how easily he took that from his home?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...ol-protect-against-connecticut-215442104.html

 

[rudder]

http://news.yahoo.com/tennessee-con...ct-against-shootings-192556978--politics.html

A lot of school districts in Tennessee use School Resource Officers. These are sheriffs deputies and they already are armed. The SRO does more than just stand around waiting for a school to get shot up... they are invovled in bullying cases, drugs, help deal with mental health issues, etc. I always thought it was crazy that schools had come to this... butI have had dealings with them and they are very helpful.

I am not for teachers or admins being armed.... maybe in rare cases where schools are good distance from a police station or normal patrol. Those schools are pretty rare though.

 

[Ausm]

Here is a better solution.

 

[TallBill]

I'm game