Should the 2nd amendment be repealed?

[interchange]

I don't think it should be repealed outright. I do believe that gun ownership is a fundamental right important to the heritage and culture of this country regardless of whether the conditions justifying the right persist. However, I already think existing gun legislation is in violation of the 2nd amendment and think that courts seeing it otherwise are far too pragmatic. Instead, I think a new amendment protecting gun ownership for ordinary citizens but expressly allowing some limitations would be better.

 

[Atreus21]

Is this one of those all or nothing threads? You're either for grabbing all the guns or we shouldn't do anything?

Well that's what I'm getting at.

If the goal is to severely reduce mass shootings, then mass confiscations may be the only substantive way to get that done. The problem is the prevalence of guns in the US.

 

[WelshBloke]

Well that's what I'm getting at.

If the goal is to severely reduce mass shootings, then mass confiscations may be the only substantive way to get that done. The problem is the prevalence of guns in the US.

No one has ever suggested that all the guns should be grabbed! Even in the UK you can pretty easily get a shotgun.

What your doing is making a false argument as to why nothing should be done.

 

[Bird222]

See amendment 21. Guess not always.

Is there a place in the constitution that says "the government will not prevent people from drinking"?

 

[Atreus21]

No one has ever suggested that all the guns should be grabbed! Even in the UK you can pretty easily get a shotgun.

What your doing is making a false argument as to why nothing should be done.

Shrug. I'm saying that I don't think the measures proposed, particularly by Parkland students, will amount to real reductions in mass shootings. School shootings, maybe.

If the problem is the high prevalence of guns in the US, then what is the solution?

 

[WelshBloke]

Shrug. I'm saying that I don't think the measures proposed, particularly by Parkland students, will amount to real reductions in mass shootings. School shootings, maybe.

If the problem is the high prevalence of guns in the US, then what is the solution?

Why dont you suggest a solution that you think would work? I assume that you are honestly looking for solutions?

Edit: I'm not being a dick about it but I see genuine suggestions from one "side" and just "Nope!" from the other.

 

[Veliko]

Shrug. I'm saying that I don't think the measures proposed, particularly by Parkland students, will amount to real reductions in mass shootings. School shootings, maybe.

If the problem is the high prevalence of guns in the US, then what is the solution?

This is a very odd post.

 

[Atreus21]

Why dont you suggest a solution that you think would work? I assume that you are honestly looking for solutions?

I already did, and that's the problem: I honestly think that the only solution is a severe one - repealing the 2nd amendment and finding some way to reduce gun prevalence without starting a civil war.

Obviously that's not what I want to do. But that's what I think is the only way to truly stop or hamper mass shootings.

 

[WelshBloke]

I already did, and that's the problem: I honestly think that the only solution is a severe one - repealing the 2nd amendment and finding some way to reduce gun prevalence without starting a civil war.

Obviously that's not what I want to do. But that's what I think is the only way to truly stop or hamper mass shootings.

Ok. Theres a billion steps that you can do to reduce the amount of guns in the US without a ban.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Is there a place in the constitution that says "the government will not prevent people from drinking"?

That's not what you asked. You asked if constitutional rights dont apply to 18-20 year olds. In at least one case, no, as they're prohibited from alcohol consumption.

 

[Bird222]

That's not what you asked. You asked if constitutional rights dont apply to 18-20 year olds. In at least one case, no, as they're prohibited from alcohol consumption.

I was trying to clarify the point. I don't know of a place where drinking is a constitutional right. Sure there was an amendment that banned alcohol and then there was one that eliminated the ban. However, I don't see specifically in the constitution that says the government can't infringe on your alcohol consumption like it does about arms.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I was trying to clarify the point. I don't know of a place where drinking is a constitutional right. Sure there was an amendment that banned alcohol and then there was one that eliminated the ban. However, I don't see specifically in the constitution that says the government can't infringe on your alcohol consumption like it does about arms.

They thought they could, then decided it wasn't a good idea, but still does that apply to 18-20

 

[zinfamous]

Yeah, and I doubt they had porn in mind when they wrote the 1st.

Fern

Clearly you never read any of Ben Franklin's writings and musings

 

[zinfamous]

Same here.

I hadn't considered that Stevens might be an extremist on the subject of gun control.

I wonder if eski would vote to repeal it.

Amazing that you guys think a lot of wrong things about liberals, isn't it? It's almost as if you have been fed a pack of lies by your chosen information streams for decades. Go figure...

 

[Atreus21]

Amazing that you guys think a lot of wrong things about liberals, isn't it? It's almost as if you have been fed a pack of lies by your chosen information streams for decades. Go figure...

Most of my experience with liberals comes from this forum.

 

[soundforbjt]

Most of my experience with liberals comes from this forum.

Want me to blow your mind further? I didn’t vote yes.

 

[Atreus21]

Want me to blow your mind further? I didn’t vote yes.

Blown. Totally blown.

 

[blackangst1]

Well that's what I'm getting at.

If the goal is to severely reduce mass shootings, then mass confiscations may be the only substantive way to get that done. The problem is the prevalence of guns in the US.

I think that would be as fruitless as rounding up and deporting all the illegals. We need to talk about substantive solutions.

 

[blackangst1]

Amazing that you guys think a lot of wrong things about liberals, isn't it? It's almost as if you have been fed a pack of lies by your chosen information streams for decades. Go figure...

The same can be said about views of conservatives....

 

[zzyzxroad]

So, penalize victims for the actions of criminals? I think it's very possible someone could take very reasonable precautions to secure a weapon and it still could get stolen. In fact, I don't think there is ever going to be a situation where a gun can't be stolen if the criminal is motivated enough.

Next, you'll be wanting to jail rape victims for not dressing down enough. <--- This is a strawman argument offered in jest to make a point. If you call me out on it without address my first paragraph you are a coward.

I’m was simply pointing out that if we want to actually have a significant impact on gun homicides we might want to brainstorm on how to keep them out of the hands of criminals. Did you miss the part where I mentioned stiff penalties for possession of a stolen gun? I’m far from an expert but if I had to guess, shady dealers/brokers are really the root of the problem. What are your ideas of how we can reduce gun homicides?

 

[Sunburn74]

Most of my experience with liberals comes from this forum.

You should put yourself out there buddy. Its a whole big world and there is always Tinder to make it more approachable.

(actually I wonder if that is a potential business opportunity: a tinder like app for a] swinger couples and b] conservatives that want to fraternize with liberals and vice versa)

 

[ch33zw1z]

You should put yourself out there buddy. Its a whole big world and there is always Tinder to make it more approachable.

(actually I wonder if that is a potential business opportunity: a tinder like app for a] swinger couples and b] conservatives that want to fraternize with liberals and vice versa)

Call it "bothsidedoit"

 

[OWR88]

2nd amendment needs to be re written for modern interpretation. This will solve many issues. The current gun debate mostly stems from the poorly written 2nd amendment that was stuck in the 1700s.

 

[ivwshane]

Most of my experience with liberals comes from this forum.

That's even worse.

 

[Atreus21]

You should put yourself out there buddy. Its a whole big world and there is always Tinder to make it more approachable.

(actually I wonder if that is a potential business opportunity: a tinder like app for a] swinger couples and b] conservatives that want to fraternize with liberals and vice versa)

I appreciate the interest sir, but I am married.