Should the U.S. Attack the Assad Regime?

[Orignal Earl]

It makes no sense for Assad to do this.

So it would make sense for Assad to do this, so it appears to make no sense
That makes sense

 

[Drako]

I have yet to see a compelling argument as to why we should.

 

[Incorruptible]

So it would make sense for Assad to do this, so it appears to make no sense
That makes sense

Keep trolling. I already explained my position.

 

[BlueWolf47]

Where are these reports that have unequivocally convinced you that Assad did use the chemical weapons?

I already took you down over this, It makes no sense for Assad to do this. Now you can be ignorant and keep trusting what that POS obama tells you but some of us prefer to think for ourselves. Assad can't be trusted but he didn't do it. Assad has protected the Christians so I now see why you don't like him.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/02/syria-crisis-questions-answered

http://thoughtcatalog.com/2013/father-of-dead-syrian-rebel-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-by-accident/

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/...ian-jihad-rebels-use-of-chemical-weapons.html

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/russia-syria-rebels-weapons/2013/09/05/id/524066

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/w...pose-dilemma-in-west.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.globalresearch.ca/syrian-rebels-admit-to-being-behind-chemical-weapons-attack/5347424

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ding-civilians-ahead-possible-airstrikes.html

So I guess we are not that different. Im choosing to trust the United States intelligence agencies even though they haven't declassified their presumed evidence. And you are choosing to trust a dictator who has been killing his his own civilians.

Well i bet Assad would be happy to know that theres someone out there defending his reputation.

 

[Agent11]

I don't trust Assad, but I would trust Russia. Russia says it has proof it was the rebels and offers the US to lay out all the evidence so the UN can hash it out, we decline.

Why should Obama not meet the same accountability as Bush?

I think everyone is familiar with the run up to Iraq and the parading of evidence before the UN.

That incident did put a taint of our foreign relations since.
Obama compounds the situation by not only claiming dubious evidence but also refusing to produce it for examination.

 

[zanejohnson]

this pretty much confirms it...

over 90 percent opposed..


just like every other forum poll i've seen..

shit's real.

 

[Abraxas]

Where are these reports that have unequivocally convinced you that Assad did use the chemical weapons?

I already took you down over this, It makes no sense for Assad to do this. Now you can be ignorant and keep trusting what that POS obama tells you but some of us prefer to think for ourselves. Assad can't be trusted but he didn't do it. Assad has protected the Christians so I now see why you don't like him.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/02/syria-crisis-questions-answered

http://thoughtcatalog.com/2013/father-of-dead-syrian-rebel-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-by-accident/

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/...ian-jihad-rebels-use-of-chemical-weapons.html

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/russia-syria-rebels-weapons/2013/09/05/id/524066

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/w...pose-dilemma-in-west.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.globalresearch.ca/syrian-rebels-admit-to-being-behind-chemical-weapons-attack/5347424

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ding-civilians-ahead-possible-airstrikes.html

From one of your own links (The Guardian):

EbbTide64: Why is the media assuming that it was Assad who was responsible, when there are reports (here, here & here) of the rebels being caught with sarin?
It is not the media that is assuming that Assad is responsible. The Guardian and other media have reported claims and assessments by the US, UK, France and the Syrian rebels, and of course official Syrian denials. Only western governments have provided any evidence at all, however adequate or convincing it is judged. All three governments also state categorically that the rebels did not have the capacity to mount a CW attack on the scale of what occurred on 21 August. All have stated they are relying on classified sources as well as the precedent of earlier, smaller attacks. More detail is clearly needed to convince sceptics, given the experience of the Iraq WMD dossier.

It has previously been reported that members of the al-Nusra front were caught with sarin nerve gas in Turkey – and this has been echoed by Syrian state media. Dale Gavlak, an independent journalist, has reported a belief that nerve agents used in Ghouta were supplied by Saudi Arabia.

So far, however, neither the Syrian government nor Russia have publicly provided any evidence that the rebels were responsible for the incident. Delay in allowing the UN inspectors access to the scene of the attacks, and heavy shelling before they were able to get there, appeared designed to destroy evidence.

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I appreciate the level of balance you bring to the debate. Providing all the evidence those on the other side of the issue need to refute your position sure is courteous.

 

[PlanetJosh]

Yes. So a regional or global conflict can follow. The U.S. is bound to get in war with Russia and other nuclear powers anyway. Get it overwith sooner. I'm not a conservative, I think I lean to the left. And I didn't have some traumatic event happen to me. Didn't fall on my head or anything like that.

 

[BlueWolf47]

I don't trust Assad, but I would trust Russia. Russia says it has proof it was the rebels and offers the US to lay out all the evidence so the UN can hash it out, we decline.

Why should Obama not meet the same accountability as Bush?

I think everyone is familiar with the run up to Iraq and the parading of evidence before the UN.

That incident did put a taint of our foreign relations since.
Obama compounds the situation by not only claiming dubious evidence but also refusing to produce it for examination.

I agree that russia's proof should not be dismissed and that our standards of proof should be exceedingly higher.

However, there is no question as to whether chemical weapons exsist in syria and we have definitive proof that sarin gas was used. In Iraq we based our actions on a the mere existence of wmds. This is quite different than Iraq. Further, the Bush administration went virtually unchallenged on the Iraq war for years and the media continued to regurgitate what the administration fed them. That is more than likely why such a high % of the public supported the invasion. Then again, a large number of people were uninformed and thought Saddam had something to do with 9/11.

 

[Engineer]

Answer: No

If we are stupid enough to do it, I say throw a war tax out there and let's see how much support we really have for this thing (not that the US citizens are jumping for joy to go to war).

 

[Gintaras]

Absofuckinglutely not. Let our enemies kill each other off.

Good people make friends...Bad people make enemies...

Not everyone in Syria are bad, not everyone in US are good...and vise verse....

 

[Doppel]

Yes. So a regional or global conflict can follow. The U.S. is bound to get in war with Russia and other nuclear powers anyway. Get it overwith sooner. I'm not a conservative, I think I lean to the left. And I didn't have some traumatic event happen to me. Didn't fall on my head or anything like that.

If you believe what you wrote you have suffered a trauma and it is profound, even if you don't know what it was.

 

[Incorruptible]

So I guess we are not that different. Im choosing to trust the United States intelligence agencies even though they haven't declassified their presumed evidence. And you are choosing to trust a dictator who has been killing his his own civilians.

Well i bet Assad would be happy to know that theres someone out there defending his reputation.

I don't trust a dictator you moron. Where is the evidence that Assad used the chemical weapons?

There are many Americans that believe the rebels used the gas. I don't blindly follow that piece of shit obama like you. I realize that it's not logical for Assad to use them and that they use this as an excuse to go to war.

You are supporting the rebels by supporting obama and the rebels are killing innocent people including Christians.

Well i bet the rebels would be happy to know that there is someone out there defending their reputation

 

[woolfe9998]

I know you have a hard time understanding things, but his post specifically said that Putin can't be trusted......

Yeah, so did yours. So why even bother to cite Putin as an authority on our Secretary of State's credibility? It has zero relevance.

Do you even recall some of the things Putin said about Bush?

 

[BlueWolf47]

I don't trust a dictator you moron. Where is the evidence that Assad used the chemical weapons?

There are many Americans that believe the rebels used the gas. I don't blindly follow that piece of shit obama like you. I realize that it's not logical for Assad to use them and that they use this as an excuse to go to war.

You are supporting the rebels by supporting obama and the rebels are killing innocent people including Christians. <<- repetition isn't going to convince anyone but youself

Well i bet the rebels would be happy to know that there is someone out there defending their reputation

Yes, many americans immediately took Assad's word over the presidents because their delusional existence depends on the notion that everything they percieve is a conspiracy.

I do support the free syrian army and through our lack of involvement, extremists have been working to hijack the revolution.

But as long as Assad protects the minority christian population, you are fine with him continuing to massacre the rest of the population.

 

[MiniDoom]

Russian intelligence warned us about the Boston bombers 2 years before the attack and american intell had no clue. Maybe we should pay closer attention to what they're saying before we rush into another war based on possible faulty intelligence.

 

[woolfe9998]

Russian intelligence warned us about the Boston bombers 2 years before the attack and american intell had no clue. Maybe we should pay closer attention to what they're saying before we rush into another war based on possible faulty intelligence.

Russian intel warned the US about people making extremist remarks over the telephone, not about any specific planned attack. Our government gets tips like these from foreign governments on a daily basis. We can't follow up on every person with radical views.

 

[BoberFett]

So I guess we are not that different. Im choosing to trust the United States intelligence agencies even though they haven't declassified their presumed evidence. And you are choosing to trust a dictator who has been killing his his own civilians.

Well i bet Assad would be happy to know that theres someone out there defending his reputation.

You do realize of course that false motives by US "intelligence" have led the to deaths of hundreds of thousands as well, don't you?

 

[BlueWolf47]

You do realize of course that false motives by US "intelligence" have led the to deaths of hundreds of thousands as well, don't you?

Of course. However, It doesn't mean i therefore lend more credibility to the russians or assad. And with the current amount of ongoing controversies involving government accountability, pushing false evidence right now would literally be detrimental for those serving in office right now.

 

[Incorruptible]

Yes, many americans immediately took Assad's word over the presidents because their delusional existence depends on the notion that everything they percieve is a conspiracy.

I do support the free syrian army and through our lack of involvement, extremists have been working to hijack the revolution.

But as long as Assad protects the minority christian population, you are fine with him continuing to massacre the rest of the population.

No they aren't delusional. They were lied to about Iraq along with Egypt and Libya. They don't want another war you neo-con.

Glad to know you support the terrorists. The FSA executed 7 Syrian army soldiers and al-qaida even if they only have 15-25% of the opposition which could be a lie still holds a lot of territory.

Did I ever say that I was alright with him killing people? Unless you have evidence then STFU. I said some of the good things he did were protect minorites like the Christians, give women rights and keep Syria secular.

It's nice to see you're fine with the rebels killing innocent people and violating women's rights.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...o-about-those-moderate-syrian-rebels-n1692124

 

[Doppel]

Of course. However, It doesn't mean i therefore lend more credibility to the russians or assad. And with the current amount of ongoing controversies involving government accountability, pushing false evidence right now would literally be detrimental for those serving in office right now.

So why is Kerry doing it?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/05/us-syria-crisis-usa-rebels-idUSBRE98405L20130905

 

[BlueWolf47]

My name is Incorruptible and I am a complete retard.

We know.

 

[BlueWolf47]

So why is Kerry doing it?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/05/us-syria-crisis-usa-rebels-idUSBRE98405L20130905

That article has nothing to do with who used the chemical weapons.


The is a completely valid argument for not intervening in Syria. However, dismissing US intelligence without any consideration is an simply a way to convince yourself that Assad didn't use chemical weapons so that you can sleep well at night.

 

[Incorruptible]

We know.

It's against the rules to misquote like that. You got nothing and you lost.

 

[Agent11]

This entire situation is entirely illogical.

Could you imagine if the situation were reversed and Russia was behaving as we are toward Kyrgyzstan home of Manas Air Force Base, or Iraq home of many large US Military bases... During a civil war in which rebel forces have verified links to terrorist organizations?