Should The United States Give up control of the Internet?

[JEDIYoda]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050929/ap_on_hi_te/internet_control

My opinion -- No we should NOT give up control!

If you disagree why?

According to this article it was Pentagon as a Pentagon Funded project....
(I bet that grates all those anti war peeps who use the internet to post there diatribe here...heheee)

Sorry but Dan Quail did NOT invent the internet..lol

 

[Czar]

Dont see why the US should have control and I dont see why the UN should have control.

Status quo untill we have a reason.

 

[Czar]

and all the limits they are talking about are the limits of ipv4... ipv6 will solve this, good reason to motivate those countries to impliment ipv6 as soon as possible therefore hastening the general implimentation of ipv6

 

[chcarnage]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
According to this article it was Pentagon as a Pentagon Funded project....

With all respect to the inventors, the development of the Internet has turned into an international effort. The World Wide Web was developed at CERN, which in the meantime has 20 European member states.

Ok some comments on the status quo... ICANN is a private organisation but the US can intervene anytime if they want. Clinton really made fools out of the European negotiators when the proposed "privatised" solution turned out to be not that private at all :laugh:

In the past the Commerce Department let ICANN shut down the top level domains and IP address spaces of Afghanistan and Iraq. So it's not like the US had never used their power over the Internet.

The US has some laws like the DMCA with no match in other countries and like elsewhere they want the world to adapt their own copyright law (some may remember the law firm who sent a letter to a Swedish P2P-Site, taking for granted they're affected by the DMCA... a rather harmless but maybe not the last incident). The US may be tempted to pull the plug to "rogue" websites/hosters/nations with different laws in the future.

But if not ICANN, who else should or wants to manage the Internet? Interested people (and aren't we all Internet junkies? ) can read some info about the competitors and the weakness of this bodies against lobbying groups here (I recommend at least the first 3 pages).

It's a tricky question with a wayyy too privileged US on one end (often working together with the EU, but this two bullies don't let the others join the club). On the other end are autoritharian regimes like China and some African nations whose delegations don't even get the technical principles of the Internet* but complain about "Internet imperialism".

I don't know a good solution but I think that we could spread the risk of Internet abuse a bit if we separate the IP and the DNS distribution which at the moment both are in ICANN's hands.


(*An assistant on my university who was an observer for an NGO at various Internet conferences told me this)

 

[Pepsei]

do we live in China?

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
My opinion -- No we should NOT give up control!

The real question is what benefits are there in the US staying in control, besides just being in control.

If you disagree why?

Disagree with what? You haven't offered anything to take exception with.

According to this article it was Pentagon as a Pentagon Funded project....

You mean DARPA? So what?

(I bet that grates all those anti war peeps who use the internet to post there diatribe here...heheee)

It amazes me how light-headed you are. (giggle)

Sorry but Dan Quail did NOT invent the internet..lol

This is an old joke that you couldn't even manage to get right.

 

[Czar]

the problem with the ip numbers is that originaly icann handed out loads of ip numbers to anyone who needed them, that was before we could NAT so they expected every device on the internet to have its own IP number. The big guys who are holding most of the IP's, mostly A and B nets simply dont use most of their ip addresses. I know of a workplace which has a whole B net for its 2500 computers or so, a B net consists of over 60.000 IP variations. In the world of NAT and firewalling they are only using a handful to get on the internet so the rest gets unused.

The problem is that Icann simply cant just go to all those people who have been designated an ip net and demand to have it back.

This is a technological limit, solved with ipv6

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Czar
Dont see why the US should have control and I dont see why the UN should have control.

Status quo untill we have a reason.

yeah there no point in messing with stuff when it works. If there ever is some kind of movement to implement US style copyright or legislationg world wide, it will come apart. Internet is a big place and if everyone else decides they will route their packets in a certain way or resolve DNS from their own root servers, we will get screwed in the end. There really no reason why the other countries can't sidestep us

 

[Genx87]

The World Wide Web was developed at CERN, which in the meantime has 20 European member states.

If memory serves me correct the only thing CERN did was develope DNS and a way publish documents and create HTML pages. The TCP\IP model is what powers the internet and that was developed by the DoD.

 

[5LiterMustang]

We should not...what the heck does dan quail have to do with anything? It was al gore who said he invented the net

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Pepsei
do we live in China?

No, a soon to be subsidiary of China.

 

[Czar]

o

Originally posted by: Genx87

The World Wide Web was developed at CERN, which in the meantime has 20 European member states.

If memory serves me correct the only thing CERN did was develope DNS and a way publish documents and create HTML pages. The TCP\IP model is what powers the internet and that was developed by the DoD.

and www like he said, www made the internet viable for everyone

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Czar
Dont see why the US should have control and I dont see why the UN should have control.

Status quo untill we have a reason.

yeah there no point in messing with stuff when it works. If there ever is some kind of movement to implement US style copyright or legislationg world wide, it will come apart. Internet is a big place and if everyone else decides they will route their packets in a certain way or resolve DNS from their own root servers, we will get screwed in the end. There really no reason why the other countries can't sidestep us

Actually there is already new servers being put in place that will bypass U.S. control.

The U.S. WILL be on the outside looking in.

Our own damn fault and we deserve it.

 

[YoshiSato]

Originally posted by: Pepsei
do we live in China?

No but soon we(Americans) will be oppressed more than the Chinese people are if the UN or EU gets control.

 

[piasabird]

Well we could peer all the EU countries and kick them out of our part of the Internet, but I dont see that being the goal of the Internet. I think most of the Internet is still being run by US Assets. i.e. our super computers, so we have to stay in operational control to a point. That does not mean that we run it completely. We cooperate with many international organizations. IEEE was an Italian organization originally. Saying we control the Internet or the computer industry is absurd. Someone or some entity or group of people have to control the Internet, just so someone is in control. At present there is a governing board of commissioners or something like that. We do not make all the decisions on the architecture of the Internet. We use to control all the Domain Names but that has been decentralized. Most decisions are made by committees.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Czar
o

Originally posted by: Genx87

The World Wide Web was developed at CERN, which in the meantime has 20 European member states.

If memory serves me correct the only thing CERN did was develope DNS and a way publish documents and create HTML pages. The TCP\IP model is what powers the internet and that was developed by the DoD.

and www like he said, www made the internet viable for everyone

It doesn't matter, the world wide web is just a very small portion of the internet. The internet itself was invented by Americans, and therefore should stay in American hands. I mean, why do they want control? Are we running the internet badly or something? Is there a problem with the internet they can fix that we can't? They just hate us having all the power, thats all.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
My opinion -- No we should NOT give up control!

The real question is what benefits are there in the US staying in control, besides just being in control.

If you disagree why?

Disagree with what? You haven't offered anything to take exception with.

According to this article it was Pentagon as a Pentagon Funded project....

You mean DARPA? So what?

(I bet that grates all those anti war peeps who use the internet to post there diatribe here...heheee)

It amazes me how light-headed you are. (giggle)

Sorry but Dan Quail did NOT invent the internet..lol

This is an old joke that you couldn't even manage to get right.

As usual we have a another misinformed kiddie!!
Who obviously didn`t read the article..lol

****With all respect to the inventors, the development of the Internet has turned into an international effort. The World Wide Web was developed at CERN, which in the meantime has 20 European member states. ***** NOPE!!

 

[YoshiSato]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar
o

Originally posted by: Genx87

The World Wide Web was developed at CERN, which in the meantime has 20 European member states.

If memory serves me correct the only thing CERN did was develope DNS and a way publish documents and create HTML pages. The TCP\IP model is what powers the internet and that was developed by the DoD.

and www like he said, www made the internet viable for everyone

It doesn't matter, the world wide web is just a very small portion of the internet. The internet itself was invented by Americans, and therefore should stay in American hands. I mean, why do they want control? Are we running the internet badly or something? Is there a problem with the internet they can fix that we can't? They just hate us having all the power, thats all.

It's simple, the internet is the source of information. We are in the information age. It's not only a question of who has the most valid information but one of who controls access and distrubition of this information.

The UN and the EU want control for the same reason why China blocks IP address that host content they do not like(Yes they do block IP address to servers. I work for a web host and some of our servers are blocked, others are not....yet. Do not believe the reprots that the ChiComms only block content. They block IP addresses)

 

[EatSpam]

I don't think we should for only one reason. I don't want my first amendment rights overridden by a foreign country who doesn't believe in freedom of speech.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar
o

Originally posted by: Genx87

The World Wide Web was developed at CERN, which in the meantime has 20 European member states.

If memory serves me correct the only thing CERN did was develope DNS and a way publish documents and create HTML pages. The TCP\IP model is what powers the internet and that was developed by the DoD.

and www like he said, www made the internet viable for everyone

It doesn't matter, the world wide web is just a very small portion of the internet. The internet itself was invented by Americans, and therefore should stay in American hands. I mean, why do they want control? Are we running the internet badly or something? Is there a problem with the internet they can fix that we can't? They just hate us having all the power, thats all.

I don't find myself agreeing with ntdz very much, but why would we ever just give over control of the internet? How is that benefiting us? We put in place the infrastructure that powers the internet, so why would we just give that away? If the europeans want control then they should have built it. period.

 

[chcarnage]

Originally posted by: ntdz
It doesn't matter, the world wide web is just a very small portion of the internet. The internet itself was invented by Americans, and therefore should stay in American hands. I mean, why do they want control? Are we running the internet badly or something? Is there a problem with the internet they can fix that we can't? They just hate us having all the power, thats all.

It doesn't matter? You would be writing this post in freaking Usenet without the CERN!

Some clarification on the DNS Root Server situation: There are 13 Root server systems (map). 12 Root Servers (those in foreign nations also) synchronise themselves with the DNS Root Server of Verizon which could be influenced by the US government. Alternative DNS networks exist but honestly I've no idea if they are of any significance (and they aren't compatible to each other because some introduced their own top level domains).

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: chcarnage

Originally posted by: ntdz
It doesn't matter, the world wide web is just a very small portion of the internet. The internet itself was invented by Americans, and therefore should stay in American hands. I mean, why do they want control? Are we running the internet badly or something? Is there a problem with the internet they can fix that we can't? They just hate us having all the power, thats all.

It doesn't matter? You would be writing this post in freaking Usenet without the CERN!

Some clarification on the DNS Root Server situation: There are 13 Root server systems (map). 12 Root Servers (those in foreign nations also) synchronise themselves with the DNS Root Server of Verizon which could be influenced by the US government. Alternative DNS networks exist but honestly I've no idea if they are of any significance (and they aren't compatible to each other because some introduced their own top level domains).

And neither would you, if it weren't for the US going forward with the development of the internet. If the europeans wanted control they should have built the infrastructure. I doubt they'd freely give up control of technology they put in place either.

 

[Train]

Well considering 90% of all spam and hack attempts come from China and Russia,

and 95% of the targets are in the USA....

And what % of web sites are in English? (more specifically, WESTERN English)

Why should we give up control? Sounds like we would only further open ourselves up to abuse. If the rest of the world wants to create thier own networks, let them. They will all still come to US websites to do business.

 

[sandorski]

re: the US invented it, so they should keep it.

That is a silly arguement. If that was the standard, only Britain could make electronic computers, only France(IIRC) could make automobiles, [insert invention and country here] could make those things.

Invention is a moot point, but who owns/operates the workings of the Internet have an arguement towards how it should operate. However, as those suggesting a change point out, the Internet is quickly becoming a necessary Global Infrastructure and as such more International input into how it operates seems quite reasonable.

How that should be implemented is a whole other arguement though. Other than the fact that practically every nation is already represented in the UN, IMO it makes no sense to turn the Internet over to it. The UN has enough responsibility to worry about without getting into the Internet as well.

 

[SagaLore]

Having to even worry about this is stupid.

If other countries don't want us to have "control of the web", then they should create their own webs. If they want their web to talk to our web, then just create a protocol that allows that.