Should the US commit forces to directly combat Russia in Ukraine?

[K1052]

No.

Weapons, food/water/fuel, real time intelligence, and full political support.

 

[dank69]

No.

Weapons, food/water/fuel, real time intelligence, and full political support.

This. Keep drone striking the convoys and let Ukraine mop up.

 

[dullard]

Your poll is missing any answer that matches my viewpoint: not yet.

I'll start with a question: should Russia be the sole power for determining and controlling world peace? I assume your answer is no. But the flip side to that is should America be the sole power for determining and controlling world peace? If you said no to one country then you must say no to the other country. Heck, even if you said 'yes' to America being the sole power, would you say 'yes' with Biden in charge and 'yes' with Trump in charge? I cannot justify any situation saying 'yes' to America under both presidents but 'no' to Russia. And certainly we can't convince the world that it is okay for America to have its will but no other country can do so. Thus, to me, the world needs to realize that America cannot and should not be the sole power for world peace.

That means that individual countries need to step up and defend themselves. History is littered with failed attempts for a 3rd party to march into a battle and declare a winner and a loser. Afghanistan is the most recent example. We just march in, declare a winner (our preferred puppet) and a loser (Taliban). 20 years later it failed since the Afghani people didn't truly fight. The Russians tried the same thing in the same country and failed before the US did it. Marching in and declaring a winner doesn't work.

But, my answer isn't no to the US committing forces either. The US should commit forces when it comes to our allies with treaties, when egregious atrocities are occurring (more widespread than a few bombs, but real true disasters like ethnic cleansing), when war crimes are rampant. Then, yes, we can and should step in.

Ukraine has started off well by fighting for themselves. But we need the world to commit to the cause and not just step in ourselves, alone. That might happen soon, or it might be painstakingly slow. But when the time comes, it should be an all out full force effort. No drawn out limited engagement crap. But total domination.

 

[HomerJS]

I agree with the not yet. One argument I heard against intervention, right now in the eyes of Russians Ukraine is not the enemy. They are turning on Putin and if we get involved directly we become the common enemy.

 

[Pens1566]

I agree with the not yet. One argument I heard against intervention, right now in the eyes of Russians Ukraine is not the enemy. They are turning on Putin and if we get involved directly we become the common enemy.

Agree. We need to be active only in supply, support, and getting information on what's really going on back into the Russian population. That last bit is key. The only real safe way out of this from internal change.

 

[brycejones]

I agree with the not yet. One argument I heard against intervention, right now in the eyes of Russians Ukraine is not the enemy. They are turning on Putin and if we get involved directly we become the common enemy.

Agree. We need to be active only in supply, support, and getting information on what's really going on back into the Russian population. That last bit is key. The only real safe way out of this from internal change.

This. I didn't include "Not yet" as an option because the question should be readdressed if the nature of the conflict changes. Think of this as a poll based on the currently known facts.

 

[feralkid]

SA is one big place, one big mess.

Yeah, right.

 

[Commodus]

I just can't see how the US could get directly involved without creating a mess. It'd be US and Russian soldiers in combat — Russia would not only have the excuse to fully mobilize, but could likely count on support from China. And it doesn't have to be a world war to do serious damage to many countries.

 

[HomerJS]

Ukraine to US

Why were you guys bitching about 2021 again??

 

[ch33zw1z]

Doesn't seem like we're there yet

 

[DarthKyrie]

Whenever I see the videos of the Russian convoys I always think to myself, self "those look like great targets for some Warthogs. Warthogs go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrt.'

 

[Meghan54]

Whenever I see the videos of the Russian convoys I always think to myself, self "those look like great targets for some Warthogs. Warthogs go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrt.'

And the Air Force has been trying to kill the Warthog for a loooong time. Who needs ground support from one of the best ground support fighters ever created when you can use an F-35 or F-22, neither of which can replicate the Warthog's lethality and survivability. Dumbasses.

 

[SmCaudata]

And the Air Force has been trying to kill the Warthog for a loooong time. Who needs ground support from one of the best ground support fighters ever created when you can use an F-35 or F-22, neither of which can replicate the Warthog's lethality and survivability. Dumbasses.

Warthogs aren't sexy. USAF pilots like sexy. I'm not a pilot, but I'd rather be in something that has a history of returning home shot to hell.

 

[Pens1566]

And the Air Force has been trying to kill the Warthog for a loooong time. Who needs ground support from one of the best ground support fighters ever created when you can use an F-35 or F-22, neither of which can replicate the Warthog's lethality and survivability. Dumbasses.

Tank busting isn't as important as it once was. Would have been fun to see them scream over W Germany and melt tanks though ... until like 30mins later when it wouldn't matter anymore.

And I'm a fan, btw. Have been since I first saw them flying over Tucson out of Davis Monthan when I was a kid.

 

[Brainonska511]

And the Air Force has been trying to kill the Warthog for a loooong time. Who needs ground support from one of the best ground support fighters ever created when you can use an F-35 or F-22, neither of which can replicate the Warthog's lethality and survivability. Dumbasses.

The USAF would never deploy the A-10 in an environment where they do not have air superiority and suppression of enemy anti-air units.

 

[kage69]

Or polonium.

I wouldn't lose sleep over Putin reaping massive karma instead of quickly gaining a few holes. Alex Litvinenko alerted Putin's people to an attempt that was going to be made on his life (he could have said nothing), and his thanks was Putin's cronies taking him out for polonium tea. It's always stuck in my craw.

Polonium is especially horrific, destroys you slowly over weeks from the inside out. I read somewhere awhile back it's about a trillion times more toxic that hydrogen cyanide. (zin?)

I really don't care at this point, I just want him gone. He's a danger to Russia and the world, he's gotta go. Thanks for uniting the democracies of the world and also that whole re-militarizing Germany thing, but your mini Hitler ass and your Wagner SS goons need to die now.

 

[brycejones]

I wouldn't lose sleep over Putin reaping massive karma instead of a quickly gaining a few holes. Alex Litvinenko alerted Putin's people to an attempt that was going to be made on his life (he could have said nothing), and his thanks was Putin's cronies taking him out for polonium tea. It's always stuck in my craw.

Polonium is especially horrific, destroys you slowly over weeks from the inside out. I read somewhere awhile back it's about a trillion times more toxic that hydrogen cyanide. (zin?)

I really don't care at this point, I just want him gone. He's a danger to Russia and the world, he's gotta go. Thanks for uniting the democracies of the world and also that whole re-militarizing Germany thing, but your mini Hitler ass and your Wagner SS goons need to die now.

A sick but not removed from office Putin is still a Putin giving orders that could make the situation worse. If someone in the Russian government decides he needs to go the action needs to be immediate.

 

[kage69]

Operating A-10s around S-400 batteries?

Maybe after the TLAMs, F-35s and drones are done with the place, but not before.

 

[brycejones]

Operating A-10s around S-400 batteries?

Maybe after the TLAMs, F-35s and drones are done with the place, but not before.

Not a great environment for TLAMs. I would bet we have few if any in the Black Sea.

 

[nicalandia]

I'm from Buenos Aires, and I say kill 'em all!

You know that a few thousand Nuclear Warheads will render this world inhabitable?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

A sick but not removed from office Putin is still a Putin giving orders that could make the situation worse. If someone in the Russian government decides he needs to go the action needs to be immediate.

Hopefully a VonStauffenkov would get the briefcase on the proper side of the table leg.

 

[kage69]

A sick but not removed from office Putin is still a Putin giving orders that could make the situation worse. If someone in the Russian government decides he needs to go the action needs to be immediate.

Heads of state typically have someone doing things, or are replaced, when so ill they can't stay alive on their own. At Putin's age I don't think it would take long, but if someone were to try and poison him I'm sure they'd use something more immediate, for precisely the reasons you're probably thinking.

Putin's use of polonium was a cruel message to other spies contemplating not being spies for him anymore. We don't need messages here, we just need the fucker gone. Figger it oot there Russia.

 

[kage69]

You know that a few thousand Nuclear Warheads will render this world inhabitable?

You know you sound like a bug lover?!

 

[kage69]

Not a great environment for TLAMs. I would bet we have few if any in the Black Sea.

Yeah, would probably be those glide bombs the F-35 carries I guess, good point. Not sure if that new AGM-88G is deployed yet but when it is, going to turn AD doctrine on it's ear. They've always been able to just turn the radar off to break up the homing of the missile. That will no longer be the case, surprise!

 

[brycejones]

Yeah, would probably be those glide bombs the F-35 carries I guess, good point. Not sure if that new AGM-88G is deployed yet but when it does, going to turn AD doctrine on it's ear. They've always been able to just turn the radar off to break up the homing of the missile. That will no longer be the case, surprise!

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