Should the US newspapers publish those cartoons about Muhammed?

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tnitsuj

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Well the right wingers are always arguing that the media through imprudent actions are putting our troops in danger.

It could be argued that American newspapers publishing these cartoons would put our troops in even more danger than they are now.
 

biostud

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Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: dahunan
Should America scan every publication in the US and make sure there is nothing offensive in any of them?

CHOICES... Humans are NOT Animals.. we have the ability to reason and make choices to burn down places and firebomb them and send death threats and murder people etc... we are not instinctual.. unless we are slaves and are brainwashed?

So true, glad I don't know anyone like that.

Anyways, the danish made the decision(bad) to insult 1.3 billion people directly, they need to atone to their mistake, the quicker the better before this fight escalades.

Is it very difficult to understand the difference between a privately owned newspaper and an entire nation?

The editor of the newspaper has the responsibility, and he alone has it. So please don't accuse the 5.5 mio. other danes for insulting islam as we have not done such a thing. Excpet ofcours if it's also an insult to islam that we eat pork.
 

biostud

Lifer
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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Well the right wingers are always arguing that the media through imprudent actions are putting our troops in danger.

It could be argued that American newspapers publishing these cartoons would put our troops in even more danger than they are now.

That's what's been said about danish troops and civilians all over the muslim world.
 

beyoku

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Originally posted by: dahunan
I almost want to do it just to force the good muslims to do something about the bad muslims who go crazy when this stuff is printed..

I too want to force "good white people" to get a handle on those racists......
 

biostud

Lifer
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http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp..._display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001957270

Meanwhile, the Philadelphia Inquirer, day after complaining that The Associated Press should at least distribute the images and allow members papers to make the call, decided to publish one of the drawings on Saturday.

The cartoon was being published "discreetly" with a note explaining the rationale, said Amanda Bennett, The Inquirer's editor.

Interesting interview:
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/13812617.htm
 

SpongeBob

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Yes, they should report the news. These cartoons have been the subject of a lot of news lately and thus should be reported. It is not against the law to publish them in America. I don't see why they haven't been published already?
 

musicman87

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I don't know about the Danish gov't, but in the US we have prior restraint, were the gov't can't censor something until it has been published. Has anyone seen the cartoon? Link?
 

Strk

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Who is arguing against the right to publish the cartoons? I don't see anyone saying it shouldn't be published based on limitations of free speech, but that it is being considerate to a group and that it is really unnecessary.
 

mOeeOm

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Originally posted by: biostud
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: dahunan
Should America scan every publication in the US and make sure there is nothing offensive in any of them?

CHOICES... Humans are NOT Animals.. we have the ability to reason and make choices to burn down places and firebomb them and send death threats and murder people etc... we are not instinctual.. unless we are slaves and are brainwashed?

So true, glad I don't know anyone like that.

Anyways, the danish made the decision(bad) to insult 1.3 billion people directly, they need to atone to their mistake, the quicker the better before this fight escalades.

Is it very difficult to understand the difference between a privately owned newspaper and an entire nation?

The editor of the newspaper has the responsibility, and he alone has it. So please don't accuse the 5.5 mio. other danes for insulting islam as we have not done such a thing. Excpet ofcours if it's also an insult to islam that we eat pork.

Oh I'm sorry, when I said the ''danish'' I was talking specifically about the newspapers and the government, not the actual people. I should have specified.
 

TheSlamma

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No, cause religion should be private and putting it in newspapers makes it okay to go public.

Keep that tool for destruction crap behind closed doors.
 

SpongeBob

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The government has no right to control private institutions, nor should it when they are not breaking any laws. The Danish government has nothing to do with this.
 

judasmachine

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There is simply no reason. If you do it now you're intentionally inciting further violence, and not just expressing an opinion.
 

SpongeBob

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
There is simply no reason. If you do it now you're intentionally inciting further violence, and not just expressing an opinion.

So the news should not be reported because it may offend certain people?
 

biostud

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Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Oh I'm sorry, when I said the ''danish'' I was talking specifically about the newspapers and the government, not the actual people. I should have specified.

It's not up to the government to judge if someone has broken the laws, that's why we have a court system. The government is not allowed to take actions against persons and private business. They make the laws but don't judge by them, and can definately not judge someone for something that isn't illegal in Denmark. Nor can they speak on behalf on the newspaper or be held responsible for what is printed in it. So I simply cannot see why you want the government to make an apology. The government is a representve of the majority of the danish people (democratic elected) and are the voice of these, and ultimately for whole of Denmark as a nation. So they could apologize if the "official Denmark" had done something wrong, not for what individuals are doing.

What Iran is doing is exactly where you could demand an apology from the leaders. It's the official Iran that boycuts and want to make drawings about the Holocaust. There's a large difference and I hope you can see it. If the danish governmnet had done the contest with the drawings they should ofcorse apologize, but they would never do such a thing.
 

judasmachine

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Originally posted by: SpongeBob
Originally posted by: judasmachine
There is simply no reason. If you do it now you're intentionally inciting further violence, and not just expressing an opinion.

So the news should not be reported because it may offend certain people?

That's not the point, we know what happened, and it doesn't take much digging for you to find them. To do it now is just aggravating the situation. I'm all for offending people, especially with my art, but this 'news' has already been reported.

But I cannot stop you from waging your propaganda war against Islam.
 

SpongeBob

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: SpongeBob
Originally posted by: judasmachine
There is simply no reason. If you do it now you're intentionally inciting further violence, and not just expressing an opinion.

So the news should not be reported because it may offend certain people?

That's not the point, we know what happened, and it doesn't take much digging for you to find them. To do it now is just aggravating the situation. I'm all for offending people, especially with my art, but this 'news' has already been reported.

True we know what happened because we spent the time to dig for the information, but that isn't how it's supposed to be. Now at least 10 people have died and much property has been destroyed. These cartoons were the main reason for that. They should be included in the stories to give context to what is being reported. Lots of things reported in the news I find offensive, however, I don't think I would be better off if they were simply withheld because of my feelings.
 

judasmachine

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Originally posted by: SpongeBob
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: SpongeBob
Originally posted by: judasmachine
There is simply no reason. If you do it now you're intentionally inciting further violence, and not just expressing an opinion.

So the news should not be reported because it may offend certain people?

That's not the point, we know what happened, and it doesn't take much digging for you to find them. To do it now is just aggravating the situation. I'm all for offending people, especially with my art, but this 'news' has already been reported.

True we know what happened because we spent the time to dig for the information, but that isn't how it's supposed to be. Now at least 10 people have died and much property has been destroyed. These cartoons were the main reason for that. They should be included in the stories to give context to what is being reported. Lots of things reported in the news I find offensive, however, I don't think I would be better off if they were simply withheld because of my feelings.

I understand your position, but I feel now it'd do more harm than good.
 

SpongeBob

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: SpongeBob
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: SpongeBob
Originally posted by: judasmachine
There is simply no reason. If you do it now you're intentionally inciting further violence, and not just expressing an opinion.

So the news should not be reported because it may offend certain people?

That's not the point, we know what happened, and it doesn't take much digging for you to find them. To do it now is just aggravating the situation. I'm all for offending people, especially with my art, but this 'news' has already been reported.

True we know what happened because we spent the time to dig for the information, but that isn't how it's supposed to be. Now at least 10 people have died and much property has been destroyed. These cartoons were the main reason for that. They should be included in the stories to give context to what is being reported. Lots of things reported in the news I find offensive, however, I don't think I would be better off if they were simply withheld because of my feelings.

I understand your position, but I feel now it'd do more harm than good.

And I understand yours, and while I do see why the cartoons are causing problems and are offensive, I feel that censorship of this will result in a precedent that will just cause further problems down the road.
 

Grunt03

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Yes!!! Yes!!! Yes!!! Yes!!! Yes!!! Yes!!! Yes!!!

I don't see what all of the excitement is about. If it were another religion all would be fine but hey " Muhammed " is off limits. Please give me a break. In this country and many others we have our rights giving free speach. That cartoon was not that bad, no worse than what I have seen of a certain religion with little boys?

If they want special treatment for their religion, go back home, protest there, brun and destroy all you want. If you do it else where, lock them up, fine them and for the more extream, deport them.

lock and load baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

mOeeOm

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Originally posted by: biostud
Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Oh I'm sorry, when I said the ''danish'' I was talking specifically about the newspapers and the government, not the actual people. I should have specified.

It's not up to the government to judge if someone has broken the laws, that's why we have a court system. The government is not allowed to take actions against persons and private business. They make the laws but don't judge by them, and can definately not judge someone for something that isn't illegal in Denmark. Nor can they speak on behalf on the newspaper or be held responsible for what is printed in it. So I simply cannot see why you want the government to make an apology. The government is a representve of the majority of the danish people (democratic elected) and are the voice of these, and ultimately for whole of Denmark as a nation. So they could apologize if the "official Denmark" had done something wrong, not for what individuals are doing.

What Iran is doing is exactly where you could demand an apology from the leaders. It's the official Iran that boycuts and want to make drawings about the Holocaust. There's a large difference and I hope you can see it. If the danish governmnet had done the contest with the drawings they should ofcorse apologize, but they would never do such a thing.

Exactly, the government SHOULD have the power to step in and do all that.

As for if Iran doing it, its wrong and they should stop and apologize. Why can't danish people say the same about their newspapers? Too much pride?
 

mOeeOm

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Dec 27, 2004
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Originally posted by: Grunt03
Yes!!! Yes!!! Yes!!! Yes!!! Yes!!! Yes!!! Yes!!!

I don't see what all of the excitement is about. If it were another religion all would be fine but hey " Muhammed " is off limits. Please give me a break. In this country and many others we have our rights giving free speach. That cartoon was not that bad, no worse than what I have seen of a certain religion with little boys?

If they want special treatment for their religion, go back home, protest there, brun and destroy all you want. If you do it else where, lock them up, fine them and for the more extream, deport them.

lock and load baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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