Should the US newspapers publish those cartoons about Muhammed?

[mOeeOm]

Can they print it? Yes it will show how much balls they got.

Should they? No, it shows who is better. Printing the pictures in the first place was to go to the Muslims ''haha we made fun of your prophet, what are you gonna do about it?'', if America were to do it, it would just fan the flames of hatred. And it will show how immature they are. Lets see who will be the bigger man in this situation...so far its neither side.

 

[mOeeOm]

on the same thing, what was the goal of the newspapers who printed these? did they think they were funny? did they think a muslim would see these, and go ''haha thats a clever interpretation of our prophet, I shall pass these on to my fellow workers''? did they think it would just go over and no one would notice? what?

It just seems to me they were doing it to shove in the muslims faces and go ''haha we made fun of your prophet, what are you gonna do about it?'' if thats your freedom of speech, then we don't want any of it, giving people the right to humiliate others...no thanks.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm
on the same thing, what was the goal of the newspapers who printed these? did they think they were funny? did they think a muslim would see these, and go ''haha thats a clever interpretation of our prophet, I shall pass these on to my fellow workers''? did they think it would just go over and no one would notice? what?

It just seems to me they were doing it to shove in the muslims faces and go ''haha we made fun of your prophet, what are you gonna do about it?'' if thats your freedom of speech, then we don't want any of it, giving people the right to humiliate others...no thanks.

You have no proof of their intentions..

Do you think the murders and destruction done in the name of Allah and Mohammed due to these cartoons are justified?

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: mOeeOm
on the same thing, what was the goal of the newspapers who printed these? did they think they were funny? did they think a muslim would see these, and go ''haha thats a clever interpretation of our prophet, I shall pass these on to my fellow workers''? did they think it would just go over and no one would notice? what?

It just seems to me they were doing it to shove in the muslims faces and go ''haha we made fun of your prophet, what are you gonna do about it?'' if thats your freedom of speech, then we don't want any of it, giving people the right to humiliate others...no thanks.

You have no proof of their intentions..

Do you think the murders and destruction done in the name of Allah and Mohammed due to these cartoons are justified?

Nope, its wrong.

and I said ''It just seems to me'', where did I say it was proof?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I almost want to do it just to force the good muslims to do something about the bad muslims who go crazy when this stuff is printed..

What makes you think the "good muslims" have the ability to force anyone to do anything?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: dahunan
I almost want to do it just to force the good muslims to do something about the bad muslims who go crazy when this stuff is printed..

What makes you think the "good muslims" have the ability to force anyone to do anything?

I am hoping they outnumber the bad ones

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm
on the same thing, what was the goal of the newspapers who printed these? did they think they were funny? did they think a muslim would see these, and go ''haha thats a clever interpretation of our prophet, I shall pass these on to my fellow workers''? did they think it would just go over and no one would notice? what?

It just seems to me they were doing it to shove in the muslims faces and go ''haha we made fun of your prophet, what are you gonna do about it?'' if thats your freedom of speech, then we don't want any of it, giving people the right to humiliate others...no thanks.

One is only humiliated by words if he himself allows it.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: dahunan
I almost want to do it just to force the good muslims to do something about the bad muslims who go crazy when this stuff is printed..

What makes you think the "good muslims" have the ability to force anyone to do anything?

I am hoping they outnumber the bad ones

Unfortunately, numbers don't mean ****** these days.

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: mOeeOm
on the same thing, what was the goal of the newspapers who printed these? did they think they were funny? did they think a muslim would see these, and go ''haha thats a clever interpretation of our prophet, I shall pass these on to my fellow workers''? did they think it would just go over and no one would notice? what?

It just seems to me they were doing it to shove in the muslims faces and go ''haha we made fun of your prophet, what are you gonna do about it?'' if thats your freedom of speech, then we don't want any of it, giving people the right to humiliate others...no thanks.

One is only humiliated by words if he himself allows it.

Means very little in real life.

But thanks for trying to make life sunnier! :thumbsup:

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: mOeeOm
on the same thing, what was the goal of the newspapers who printed these? did they think they were funny? did they think a muslim would see these, and go ''haha thats a clever interpretation of our prophet, I shall pass these on to my fellow workers''? did they think it would just go over and no one would notice? what?

It just seems to me they were doing it to shove in the muslims faces and go ''haha we made fun of your prophet, what are you gonna do about it?'' if thats your freedom of speech, then we don't want any of it, giving people the right to humiliate others...no thanks.

One is only humiliated by words if he himself allows it.

Uh huh...

Humiliation relies on the existence of one's ego.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Means very little in real life.

That depends on your definition of "real life."

 

[mOeeOm]

''WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Washington on Friday condemned caricatures in European newspapers of the Prophet Mohammad, siding with Muslims who are outraged that the publications put press freedom over respect for religion.

By inserting itself into a dispute that has become a lightning rod for anti-European sentiment across the Muslim world, the United States could help its own battered image among Muslims.

"These cartoons are indeed offensive to the belief of Muslims," State Department spokesman Kurtis Cooper said in answer to a question. "We all fully recognize and respect freedom of the press and expression but it must be coupled with press responsibility. Inciting religious or ethnic hatreds in this manner is not acceptable."

"We call for tolerance and respect for all communities for their religious beliefs and practices," he added.

Major U.S. publications have not republished the cartoons, which include depictions of Mohammad as a terrorist. That is in contrast to European media, which responded to the criticism against the original Danish newspaper that printed the caricatures by republishing the offensive images themselves.

http://reuters.myway.com/article/200602...T_0_NEWS-RELIGION-CARTOONS-USA-DC.html

:thumbsup: it really shows how much better America is.

''Inciting religious or ethnic hatreds in this manner is not acceptable." Go go europe :thumbsdown:

 

[dahunan]

The problem is..

These CARTOONS were not sanctioned by any single government.. the Danish Govt didn't produce them

Maybe the Japanese should murder all the Jews because Einstein was Jewish?

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: dahunan
The problem is..

These CARTOONS were not sanctioned by any single government.. the Danish Govt didn't produce them

Maybe the Japanese should murder all the Jews because Einstein was Jewish?

True, but the danish government should have stepped in and put a stop to it. That would have been the best decision they could have made.

 

[dahunan]

Should America scan every publication in the US and make sure there is nothing offensive in any of them?

CHOICES... Humans are NOT Animals.. we have the ability to reason and make choices to burn down places and firebomb them and send death threats and murder people etc... we are not instinctual.. unless we are slaves and are brainwashed?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: dahunan
The problem is..

These CARTOONS were not sanctioned by any single government.. the Danish Govt didn't produce them

Maybe the Japanese should murder all the Jews because Einstein was Jewish?

True, but the danish government should have stepped in and put a stop to it. That would have been the best decision they could have made.

No, they shouldn't have. The only people that should prevent a private business from doing something are their customers.

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Should America scan every publication in the US and make sure there is nothing offensive in any of them?

CHOICES... Humans are NOT Animals.. we have the ability to reason and make choices to burn down places and firebomb them and send death threats and murder people etc... we are not instinctual.. unless we are slaves and are brainwashed?

So true, glad I don't know anyone like that.

Anyways, the danish made the decision(bad) to insult 1.3 billion people directly, they need to atone to their mistake, the quicker the better before this fight escalades.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: dahunan
Should America scan every publication in the US and make sure there is nothing offensive in any of them?

CHOICES... Humans are NOT Animals.. we have the ability to reason and make choices to burn down places and firebomb them and send death threats and murder people etc... we are not instinctual.. unless we are slaves and are brainwashed?

So true, glad I don't know anyone like that.

Anyways, the danish made the decision(bad) to insult 1.3 billion people directly, they need to atone to their mistake, the quicker the better before this fight escalades.

don't be stupid

The Danish did no such thing

Same method you just used:

The Saudis and Syrians Pakistanis offended 300 million Americans when they murdered 3000 Americans on 9.11.2001

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: dahunan
Should America scan every publication in the US and make sure there is nothing offensive in any of them?

CHOICES... Humans are NOT Animals.. we have the ability to reason and make choices to burn down places and firebomb them and send death threats and murder people etc... we are not instinctual.. unless we are slaves and are brainwashed?

So true, glad I don't know anyone like that.

Anyways, the danish made the decision(bad) to insult 1.3 billion people directly, they need to atone to their mistake, the quicker the better before this fight escalades.

don't be stupid

The Danish did no such thing

Same method you just used:

The Saudis and Syrians Pakistanis offended 300 million Americans when they murdered 3000 Americans on 9.11.2001

Don't be stupid.

Now lets compare to the amount of people America has killed in the middle east directly and indirectly....

Who feels more offended? hmmmm...

Well my virus scan finished, gonna defrag and go off, peaCe.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: dahunan
Should America scan every publication in the US and make sure there is nothing offensive in any of them?

CHOICES... Humans are NOT Animals.. we have the ability to reason and make choices to burn down places and firebomb them and send death threats and murder people etc... we are not instinctual.. unless we are slaves and are brainwashed?

So true, glad I don't know anyone like that.

Anyways, the danish made the decision(bad) to insult 1.3 billion people directly, they need to atone to their mistake, the quicker the better before this fight escalades.

don't be stupid

The Danish did no such thing

Same method you just used:

The Saudis and Syrians Pakistanis offended 300 million Americans when they murdered 3000 Americans on 9.11.2001

Don't be stupid.

Now lets compare to the amount of people America has killed in the middle east directly and indirectly....

Who feels more offended? hmmmm...

Well my virus scan finished, gonna defrag and go off, peaCe.

Defrag your belief system

It is horrible of you to blame Danish people for the actions of some independent newspaper... I guess all muslims are identical?

 

[Mickey Eye]

How exactly are they supposes to atone for their mistake? The newspaper apologized and Danish muslims accepted it. The Danish governement had nothing to do with it.

The actual reason they were published in the first place, if you are not just pretending to be interested, was to highlight the problems artists faced with self censorship. Specifically after a childrens book author writing a book about Mohammed was unable to find any cartoonist willing to work with him because they all feared reprisals from extremist muslims.

There was no other intent behind it than to highlight this. While the newspaper made a titanic error in judgement, I honestly believe they had nothing to apologize for. That they did was a good goodwill gesture. However in the light of everything that has happened since september nothing will change the fact that the actuall point they went out to make has been confrimed. And I will repeat again! The point they were out to make was NOT, I repeat NOT, that muslims or Mohammed are/is a terrorist/s but that artists are afraid to draw pictures!

Also I'm a part time illustrator living in Norway and I have selfcensored on a number of occasions, though nothing about Islam... Where did that shifty eye emote go...

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: dahunan
I almost want to do it just to force the good muslims to do something about the bad muslims who go crazy when this stuff is printed..

What makes you think the "good muslims" have the ability to force anyone to do anything?

I am hoping they outnumber the bad ones

Unfortunately, numbers don't mean ****** these days.

Sure they do. Just numbers of $, not people.

 

[Mickey Eye]

Also quick questions. When you look at the one most people seems to consider the worst, the Bomb/Turban image, unarguably the poster child of this whole thing... and perfect for Tshirts.

What do you think the artists intent was within the context of the article?

What do you think the average person who has read the article sees when they look at it?

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Interesting how the so-called free speech people here who bash Christianity night and day are suddenly opposed to free speech of this kind. I guess the standards aren't the same.

Nah, we just sleep.

I mean, it is you guys who constantly whine about how Europe is superior and how we are the bad guys. How the Europeans were right on all these issues. When an issue as important as this one comes up, and when Europe desperately needs an ally, you guys want us to sit on the sidelines. Make up your mind, will ya?

It's not all or nothing. Each subject warrants its own conclusion. In this case, FI, they are right. Now, stick a swastika in there (espeically if surrounded by a circle, and based on a 5x5 grid), and most of them will be wrong.

But most here are supportive of Europe's stance and display a fair viewpoint.

IMO, they should be reprinted, so that even those who get their news from the information equivalents of decaf instant coffee (MSM) can see what the fuss is about.

Then again, I still think they are perfectly valid political cartoons, no worse than what gets printed daily in newspapers all over--quite tame, as of late.

In fact, they really should be printed as a sidebar to a point/counter-point about them, along with a background on the situation, including the additional pictures that were used, and who got them in there. I'm not terribly optomistic about that, though.

 

[B00ne]

Well, in a sense it might be better not to - just to not add fuel to the fire
However they should, so that ppl will actually know what all the fuss is about.
Anyway it is the particular newspapers decision if they do or do not.