Should they need to pass a test to own guns or to have children?

[preCRT]

This is such a sad story, and repeated too damn often. Start with idiot adults, toss in a gun, then let the morons have children.

That boy shouldn't have died, the girl never should have had access to a gun, let alone a loaded unlocked gun. Those 'parents' should be tortured. :|

9-year-old accidentally shoots, kills brother

December 18, 2005

BY DAN ROZEK Staff Reporter


A 9-year-old Riverdale girl who found a loaded handgun while bouncing on her parents' bed accidentally shot her 13-year-old brother to death, police said Saturday.

Ejazz Cates was shot once in the chest about 6:30 p.m. Friday when the .380 semi-automatic pistol his younger sister was holding discharged, Riverdale police said.

The eighth-grader was taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn but died a short time later.

Investigators said the shooting was accidental.

"She didn't mean to hurt her brother. They were just playing," said police Sgt. Dan Dempsey.

The children's parents, however, could face charges because the gun wasn't locked up, nor did it have a trigger lock, Dempsey said, adding a decision on whether to file charges likely wouldn't come for several days. It's unclear whether the gun was properly registered, police said.

The children were home alone at the time of the shooting. The girl, whom police didn't identify, was bouncing on a bed in her parents' room when she found the gun sitting on a bookcase built into the headboard, Dempsey said.

Family members couldn't be reached Saturday.

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Although it is legal to possess a handgun in Riverdale, police said no one in the house had the proper state firearm owner's identification card.

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[zendari]

Children? Perhaps. Guns? No.

 

[TallBill]

I think the bigger problem is leaving a 13 and 9 year old alone.

I read Freakonomics. In the book he figures out the statistics, and having a swimming pool in the backyard was much more dangerous then having a gun in the home.

Anyways, idiot parents.

 

[Specop 007]

I think the problem is not teaching children about guns. Every child in my house can shoulder and aim my guns, barring the 3 year old. The 5 year old has some problems with the long arms though.

Point is, my kids know about guns. I dont hide them away, I dont play the "You cant have it" game. They know and understand them, and thats a very important first step.

 

[Meuge]

The parents should be tried for manslaughter. I am all for people buying guns... but if they do, it's their responsibility to stop their children from using them. The boy's death rests squarely on the parents' shoulders.

 

[Zebo]

Nope - accidents happen. That's part of life. If negligence is found by a jury they will pay - like thier not already paying enough by losing thier child.

What is it with people sticking thier noses in other peoples affairs these days? Not too long ago out west here kids used to go hunting alone.. I'm talking 11-13 yr old kids here. I myself started hunting at 8 with a 20 ga and moved to 12ga at about 12.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Nope - accidents happen. That's part of life. If negigence is found by a jury they will pay - like thier not already paying enough by losing thier child.

Absolutely. i always have a problem with people who want criminal charges filed against a parent whos lost a child in a situation such as this. i think the parents have suffered enough, and ANY punishment a judge hands down will pale in comparison to what their already going through.

 

[halik]

idiot parents... who the hell leaves an unlocked and loaded gun around kids????

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I think the problem is not teaching children about guns. Every child in my house can shoulder and aim my guns, barring the 3 year old. The 5 year old has some problems with the long arms though.

Point is, my kids know about guns. I dont hide them away, I dont play the "You cant have it" game. They know and understand them, and thats a very important first step.

Ummm how is that safer? The problem is having unlocked and especially loaded guns around kids. You think your kids won't get curious and want to play with your guns when you're not around?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I think the problem is not teaching children about guns. Every child in my house can shoulder and aim my guns, barring the 3 year old. The 5 year old has some problems with the long arms though.

Point is, my kids know about guns. I dont hide them away, I dont play the "You cant have it" game. They know and understand them, and thats a very important first step.

Ummm how is that safer? The problem is having unlocked and especially loaded guns around kids. You think your kids won't get curious and want to play with your guns when you're not around?

Not if you teach children it's a tool and how to use it the dead seriousness of it. It's only n00bs like you who think it's somethin to be "checked out" when parents arn't around. Or maybe I just instill fear of god in them.. either way mine would'nt dare "play with my guns" when I'm not around. They have thier own anyway. (locked up of course just in case one of thier freinds is over or something)

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I think the problem is not teaching children about guns. Every child in my house can shoulder and aim my guns, barring the 3 year old. The 5 year old has some problems with the long arms though.

Point is, my kids know about guns. I dont hide them away, I dont play the "You cant have it" game. They know and understand them, and thats a very important first step.

Ummm how is that safer? The problem is having unlocked and especially loaded guns around kids. You think your kids won't get curious and want to play with your guns when you're not around?

No, I dont. Know why? Because the entirety of my childrens education doesnt come from the babysitter and the school system.
I'm an INVOLVED parent. Scary thought I know.

You realize, when our parents were kids, how many fathers and grandfathers had the shotgun loaded in the corner by the door? A whole hell of a lot. You know why there were no problems? Because all the kids were taught to shoot, and were taught to respect the firearm and were taught the responsiblity of a firearm.

Something parents dont do anymore, is TEACH their children. Which is why we have 9 year olds playing the Xbox screaming at their mom to "Get some fvcking chocolate milk".

A gun is nothing more then a tool. I dont lock up my screwdrivers, I dont lock up my steak knives, I havent removed the outlets from my walls, why would I lock up my guns? If the kids want to see the guns, they can ask and we'll spend all day playing with them. And my kids view the firearms as just that, another tool that you dont just go playing with.

Kids are smarter then you give them credit for, they just need good parenting.

Course, thats not to say i havent taken precautions......

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I think the problem is not teaching children about guns. Every child in my house can shoulder and aim my guns, barring the 3 year old. The 5 year old has some problems with the long arms though.

Point is, my kids know about guns. I dont hide them away, I dont play the "You cant have it" game. They know and understand them, and thats a very important first step.

Ummm how is that safer? The problem is having unlocked and especially loaded guns around kids. You think your kids won't get curious and want to play with your guns when you're not around?

No, I dont. Know why? Because the entirety of my childrens education doesnt come from the babysitter and the school system.
I'm an INVOLVED parent. Scary thought I know.

You realize, when our parents were kids, how many fathers and grandfathers had the shotgun loaded in the corner by the door? A whole hell of a lot. You know why there were no problems? Because all the kids were taught to shoot, and were taught to respect the firearm and were taught the responsiblity of a firearm.

Something parents dont do anymore, is TEACH their children. Which is why we have 9 year olds playing the Xbox screaming at their mom to "Get some fvcking chocolate milk".

A gun is nothing more then a tool. I dont lock up my screwdrivers, I dont lock up my steak knives, I havent removed the outlets from my walls, why would I lock up my guns? If the kids want to see the guns, they can ask and we'll spend all day playing with them. And my kids view the firearms as just that, another tool that you dont just go playing with.

Kids are smarter then you give them credit for, they just need good parenting.

Course, thats not to say i havent taken precautions......

I agree with you there, it's about parenting, but that's the whole point here isn't it? You might do a good job of teaching your kids how to deal with guns, but a lot of morons out there are irresponsible when it comes to their guns. It's not just a gun thing, a lot of people are irresposible in general, it's just that guns are a lot more dangerous to be irresponsible about.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I think the problem is not teaching children about guns. Every child in my house can shoulder and aim my guns, barring the 3 year old. The 5 year old has some problems with the long arms though.

Point is, my kids know about guns. I dont hide them away, I dont play the "You cant have it" game. They know and understand them, and thats a very important first step.

Ummm how is that safer? The problem is having unlocked and especially loaded guns around kids. You think your kids won't get curious and want to play with your guns when you're not around?

No, I dont. Know why? Because the entirety of my childrens education doesnt come from the babysitter and the school system.
I'm an INVOLVED parent. Scary thought I know.

You realize, when our parents were kids, how many fathers and grandfathers had the shotgun loaded in the corner by the door? A whole hell of a lot. You know why there were no problems? Because all the kids were taught to shoot, and were taught to respect the firearm and were taught the responsiblity of a firearm.

Something parents dont do anymore, is TEACH their children. Which is why we have 9 year olds playing the Xbox screaming at their mom to "Get some fvcking chocolate milk".

A gun is nothing more then a tool. I dont lock up my screwdrivers, I dont lock up my steak knives, I havent removed the outlets from my walls, why would I lock up my guns? If the kids want to see the guns, they can ask and we'll spend all day playing with them. And my kids view the firearms as just that, another tool that you dont just go playing with.

Kids are smarter then you give them credit for, they just need good parenting.

Course, thats not to say i havent taken precautions......

Excellent post! I agree 110%..

My dad kept a loaded 30-30 over the fireplace with 6 boys in the house- never one accident or other foolish behavior. I would do the same but my wife buys into this oprah nation, plus kids these days coming over are dip sh1ts in general like you eluded to.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I think the problem is not teaching children about guns. Every child in my house can shoulder and aim my guns, barring the 3 year old. The 5 year old has some problems with the long arms though.

Point is, my kids know about guns. I dont hide them away, I dont play the "You cant have it" game. They know and understand them, and thats a very important first step.

Ummm how is that safer? The problem is having unlocked and especially loaded guns around kids. You think your kids won't get curious and want to play with your guns when you're not around?

No, I dont. Know why? Because the entirety of my childrens education doesnt come from the babysitter and the school system.
I'm an INVOLVED parent. Scary thought I know.

You realize, when our parents were kids, how many fathers and grandfathers had the shotgun loaded in the corner by the door? A whole hell of a lot. You know why there were no problems? Because all the kids were taught to shoot, and were taught to respect the firearm and were taught the responsiblity of a firearm.

Something parents dont do anymore, is TEACH their children. Which is why we have 9 year olds playing the Xbox screaming at their mom to "Get some fvcking chocolate milk".

A gun is nothing more then a tool. I dont lock up my screwdrivers, I dont lock up my steak knives, I havent removed the outlets from my walls, why would I lock up my guns? If the kids want to see the guns, they can ask and we'll spend all day playing with them. And my kids view the firearms as just that, another tool that you dont just go playing with.

Kids are smarter then you give them credit for, they just need good parenting.

Course, thats not to say i havent taken precautions......

Excellent post! I agree 110%..

My dad kept a loaded 30-30 over the fireplace with 6 boys in the house- never one accident or other foolish behavior.

My dad kept his guns all over the place. The .44 Mag was by the chair, 2 12 gauges behind the door, the 06, 30-30 and a few others in the gun room, 2 .22's behind the couch, I think he had the 9mm in the kitchen drawer. Few SKS's out and about too.

Wasnt so much my dad was a militant freak though, he just wasnt very tidy. Course, he was divorced and it was just him and me, so it was like a rednecks bachelor pad.

The only problem he ever had was keeping ammo stocked up...me and my 2 friends, we shot alot. I mean...ALOT.

 

[Zebo]

Sound like you had a fun childhood full of risk and adventure... feel sorry for these sheltered video brats we are raising today in rubber rooms. Can't fail them in school, can't expose them to challanges, can't disaipline them, can't even have real live steel swings or merry-go-rounds at thier playgrounds..not to mention dodge-ball.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Sound like you had a fun childhood full of risk and adventure... feel sorry for these sheltered video brats we are raising today in rubber rooms. Can't fail them in school, can't expose them to challanges, can't disaipline them, can't even have real live steel swings or merry-go-rounds at thier playgrounds..not to mention dodge-ball.

Dude, i had a great childhood. FANTASTIC. Lived about 10 miles outside of town, pop. 1200. My 2 best friends lived close by, one a half mile the other about 1.5 miles away. We'd walk between each others houses until the oldest got a drivers license...Then it was hell on whells.

We'd grab the guns and run out to the gravel pits (Which had filled in with water and were stocked) and spend the day huntin squirrels, snakes and turtles while the poles sat in the holders waitin for a bite. We'd road hunt, then in the evening run into town to party with our friends. Then on slow nights we'd go back home and play Dungeons and Dragons.

We were like the cool, well armed psycho nerds.

 

[LokeanSon]

Why stop at guns and children? I say you have to be able to pass a test after a certain age, say 18, in order to be allowed to continue living in this country. If you fail the test, you get deported to whatever country will take you. If no country will take you, you get euthanized to save you from suffering a life time of chronic stupidity.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I think the problem is not teaching children about guns. Every child in my house can shoulder and aim my guns, barring the 3 year old. The 5 year old has some problems with the long arms though.

Point is, my kids know about guns. I dont hide them away, I dont play the "You cant have it" game. They know and understand them, and thats a very important first step.

Ummm how is that safer? The problem is having unlocked and especially loaded guns around kids. You think your kids won't get curious and want to play with your guns when you're not around?

No, I dont. Know why? Because the entirety of my childrens education doesnt come from the babysitter and the school system.
I'm an INVOLVED parent. Scary thought I know.

You realize, when our parents were kids, how many fathers and grandfathers had the shotgun loaded in the corner by the door? A whole hell of a lot. You know why there were no problems? Because all the kids were taught to shoot, and were taught to respect the firearm and were taught the responsiblity of a firearm.

Something parents dont do anymore, is TEACH their children. Which is why we have 9 year olds playing the Xbox screaming at their mom to "Get some fvcking chocolate milk".

A gun is nothing more then a tool. I dont lock up my screwdrivers, I dont lock up my steak knives, I havent removed the outlets from my walls, why would I lock up my guns? If the kids want to see the guns, they can ask and we'll spend all day playing with them. And my kids view the firearms as just that, another tool that you dont just go playing with.

Kids are smarter then you give them credit for, they just need good parenting.

Course, thats not to say i havent taken precautions......

You might trust your kid, but accidents happen. If you think your kids arent playing with any of your stuff, you're pretty naive. I remember when I was a kid, I'd go into my dads *whatever* just to play with the stuff. Nothing like operating a full size industrial lathe when you're 6 years old... I don't have as much problem with unlocked guns, but unlocked loaded guns is just asking for it.

Kids will always be kids... arguing that your kids are safe with loaded guns around as they'd be with no guns around is just dumb. I wouldn't teach a 5 year old how to shoot a gun anymore that i'd teach him to use a chainsaw, angle grinder or things of that nature.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I think the problem is not teaching children about guns. Every child in my house can shoulder and aim my guns, barring the 3 year old. The 5 year old has some problems with the long arms though.

Point is, my kids know about guns. I dont hide them away, I dont play the "You cant have it" game. They know and understand them, and thats a very important first step.

Ummm how is that safer? The problem is having unlocked and especially loaded guns around kids. You think your kids won't get curious and want to play with your guns when you're not around?

No, I dont. Know why? Because the entirety of my childrens education doesnt come from the babysitter and the school system.
I'm an INVOLVED parent. Scary thought I know.

You realize, when our parents were kids, how many fathers and grandfathers had the shotgun loaded in the corner by the door? A whole hell of a lot. You know why there were no problems? Because all the kids were taught to shoot, and were taught to respect the firearm and were taught the responsiblity of a firearm.

Something parents dont do anymore, is TEACH their children. Which is why we have 9 year olds playing the Xbox screaming at their mom to "Get some fvcking chocolate milk".

A gun is nothing more then a tool. I dont lock up my screwdrivers, I dont lock up my steak knives, I havent removed the outlets from my walls, why would I lock up my guns? If the kids want to see the guns, they can ask and we'll spend all day playing with them. And my kids view the firearms as just that, another tool that you dont just go playing with.

Kids are smarter then you give them credit for, they just need good parenting.

Course, thats not to say i havent taken precautions......

You might trust your kid, but accidents happen. If you think your kids arent playing with any of your stuff, you're pretty naive. I remember when I was a kid, I'd go into my dads *whatever* just to play with the stuff. Nothing like operating a full size industrial lathe when you're 6 years old... I don't have as much problem with unlocked guns, but unlocked loaded guns is just asking for it.

Kids will always be kids... arguing that your kids are safe with loaded guns around as they'd be with no guns around is just dumb. I wouldn't teach a 5 year old how to shoot a gun anymore that i'd teach him to use a chainsaw, angle grinder or things of that nature.

And now we get to the heart of your problem (I dont mean this in a negative way).
Your buying, hook line and sinker, what the liberal media and liberal agenda is pushing, That kids are uncontrollable hellions and we must protect them from everything.

Reality is slightly different. I have complete, 100% faith in the fact my kids do not play with guns. Trust me, I would know if they did. I know when my wife messes with my guns. I know if anyone has touched my guns.

And more to the point, I've taught my kids about guns. In fact, if you asked my son what a gun was for he'd say "To shoot skunks!" because we go skunk hunting from time to time. It isnt about protecting children from every little thing. Would you trhow away your stove because they might burn themselves, or would you teach the kid what "hot" is? Would you throw away your steak knives, or would you teach your kids what "sharp" is? Theres hundreds of every day items that can hurt or kill children. Do you teach your kids not to run with scissors, or do you ban scissors? Where do you draw the line?
Its about education. Something parents are almost afraid to do these days.

Additionally, you still havent addressed my other point. Why is it 50 or 100 years ago it was routine to keep a loaded gun in the house and there were no problems? Because kids were taught. Parents were invovled. Todays environment is to shelter kids, do not punish them, do not teach them, ship them to daycare, ship them to public school but God forbid you be involved with your kids lives!

Me? My kids are taught, at school and at home. I've taken my 2 oldest 2 pistol competitions. I've taken them shooting. My 5 year old knows how to use the hammer, the cordless drill. He can even use a spoon and feed himself. For shame, me teaching my kids to be good, upstanding people and not leaving it up to the skools and publik edukaschun.

Furthermore, its interesting you presume to know so much about my children and myself. Should I also presume you father was a failure, because he did not teach you or discipline you or do whatever was needed on his part to better raise you?

 

[MicroChrome]

Ommm, what if the failed the test.... But what would you do to STOP them from having children. Hopefully Financial stability would be part of the test. Altho, this would never fly for religious people. Since they want stupid people to have babies.

Personally, I think every kid should have a micro (nano) valve encrypted with some sort of code that could be turned off and on. These microscopic valves would be inserted to the sperm tubes at birth. If you flunk the test or don't have the cash to have a kid, then you don't get it switched on. Oh and they should only be switched on for up to 4 months after that they reset and switch themselves back off automatically. Woah! Bonus! You would see the abortion rate drop substantially

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I think the problem is not teaching children about guns. Every child in my house can shoulder and aim my guns, barring the 3 year old. The 5 year old has some problems with the long arms though.

Point is, my kids know about guns. I dont hide them away, I dont play the "You cant have it" game. They know and understand them, and thats a very important first step.

Ummm how is that safer? The problem is having unlocked and especially loaded guns around kids. You think your kids won't get curious and want to play with your guns when you're not around?

No, I dont. Know why? Because the entirety of my childrens education doesnt come from the babysitter and the school system.
I'm an INVOLVED parent. Scary thought I know.

You realize, when our parents were kids, how many fathers and grandfathers had the shotgun loaded in the corner by the door? A whole hell of a lot. You know why there were no problems? Because all the kids were taught to shoot, and were taught to respect the firearm and were taught the responsiblity of a firearm.

Something parents dont do anymore, is TEACH their children. Which is why we have 9 year olds playing the Xbox screaming at their mom to "Get some fvcking chocolate milk".

A gun is nothing more then a tool. I dont lock up my screwdrivers, I dont lock up my steak knives, I havent removed the outlets from my walls, why would I lock up my guns? If the kids want to see the guns, they can ask and we'll spend all day playing with them. And my kids view the firearms as just that, another tool that you dont just go playing with.

Kids are smarter then you give them credit for, they just need good parenting.

Course, thats not to say i havent taken precautions......

You might trust your kid, but accidents happen. If you think your kids arent playing with any of your stuff, you're pretty naive. I remember when I was a kid, I'd go into my dads *whatever* just to play with the stuff. Nothing like operating a full size industrial lathe when you're 6 years old... I don't have as much problem with unlocked guns, but unlocked loaded guns is just asking for it.

Kids will always be kids... arguing that your kids are safe with loaded guns around as they'd be with no guns around is just dumb. I wouldn't teach a 5 year old how to shoot a gun anymore that i'd teach him to use a chainsaw, angle grinder or things of that nature.

And now we get to the heart of your problem (I dont mean this in a negative way).
Your buying, hook line and sinker, what the liberal media and liberal agenda is pushing, That kids are uncontrollable hellions and we must protect them from everything.

Reality is slightly different. I have complete, 100% faith in the fact my kids do not play with guns. Trust me, I would know if they did. I know when my wife messes with my guns. I know if anyone has touched my guns.

And more to the point, I've taught my kids about guns. In fact, if you asked my son what a gun was for he'd say "To shoot skunks!" because we go skunk hunting from time to time. It isnt about protecting children from every little thing. Would you trhow away your stove because they might burn themselves, or would you teach the kid what "hot" is? Would you throw away your steak knives, or would you teach your kids what "sharp" is? Theres hundreds of every day items that can hurt or kill children. Do you teach your kids not to run with scissors, or do you ban scissors? Where do you draw the line?
Its about education. Something parents are almost afraid to do these days.

Additionally, you still havent addressed my other point. Why is it 50 or 100 years ago it was routine to keep a loaded gun in the house and there were no problems? Because kids were taught. Parents were invovled. Todays environment is to shelter kids, do not punish them, do not teach them, ship them to daycare, ship them to public school but God forbid you be involved with your kids lives!

Me? My kids are taught, at school and at home. I've taken my 2 oldest 2 pistol competitions. I've taken them shooting. My 5 year old knows how to use the hammer, the cordless drill. He can even use a spoon and feed himself. For shame, me teaching my kids to be good, upstanding people and not leaving it up to the skools and publik edukaschun.

Furthermore, its interesting you presume to know so much about my children and myself. Should I also presume you father was a failure, because he did not teach you or discipline you or do whatever was needed on his part to better raise you?

There is a big difference between the liberal push for the so called nanny state and parental reponsiblity. My argument has nothing to do with government protecting kids from whatever, as a matter of fact I firmly believe in parental responsibility, which is what this thread is all about.

I'm simply arguing that kids are less safe in a household with loaded guns around and I'm sure i could dig up stats for that. Plus inherently the odds of your kids getting hurt by guns are bigger if you actually have guns.... my step brother happens to have two daughters (1 and 4 years old) and all of his guns are at our parents house because he's not willing to take chance, no matter how small it might be.

And to make a real analogy here, would you let your 5 year old operate a circular saw? Or a pneumatic nail gun? Or would you let those sit around the house with no precautions? Do you think it's a good idea?

 

[Agrooreo]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I think the problem is not teaching children about guns. Every child in my house can shoulder and aim my guns, barring the 3 year old. The 5 year old has some problems with the long arms though.

Point is, my kids know about guns. I dont hide them away, I dont play the "You cant have it" game. They know and understand them, and thats a very important first step.

Ummm how is that safer? The problem is having unlocked and especially loaded guns around kids. You think your kids won't get curious and want to play with your guns when you're not around?

No, I dont. Know why? Because the entirety of my childrens education doesnt come from the babysitter and the school system.
I'm an INVOLVED parent. Scary thought I know.

You realize, when our parents were kids, how many fathers and grandfathers had the shotgun loaded in the corner by the door? A whole hell of a lot. You know why there were no problems? Because all the kids were taught to shoot, and were taught to respect the firearm and were taught the responsiblity of a firearm.

Something parents dont do anymore, is TEACH their children. Which is why we have 9 year olds playing the Xbox screaming at their mom to "Get some fvcking chocolate milk".

A gun is nothing more then a tool. I dont lock up my screwdrivers, I dont lock up my steak knives, I havent removed the outlets from my walls, why would I lock up my guns? If the kids want to see the guns, they can ask and we'll spend all day playing with them. And my kids view the firearms as just that, another tool that you dont just go playing with.

Kids are smarter then you give them credit for, they just need good parenting.

Course, thats not to say i havent taken precautions......

Excellent post! I agree 110%..

My dad kept a loaded 30-30 over the fireplace with 6 boys in the house- never one accident or other foolish behavior. I would do the same but my wife buys into this oprah nation, plus kids these days coming over are dip sh1ts in general like you eluded to.

I also agree 100%. Growing up there were 6 of us, 4 older girls and my older brother and me. There was always a loaded handgun within maybe 6 ft of you whereever you happened to be in the house and a loaded 12 ga velcroed to the side of my fathers waterbed(the side he slept on of course) and none of us every played with them or had any sort of accident. The closest thing to an acident that would happen was that if one was left in plain site when a friend was coming over we would find an adult, which was pretty easy seeing how all 5 of my uncles lived on the same block and my mom and dad worked diff shifts at work so someone was always around, and tell them a gun was laying out so that they could put it away. Which normally meant in the couch. But we all knew the only time we could ever touch a gun was when we were out shooting and an adult had GIVEN us one. The thought never crossed our mind to "play" with one even if it was laying in the middle of the floor. Honestly cant tell you which mattered most to us, the idea of knowing what a 12 ga will do to an animal or another person or the fact that we knew we would get the living bejesus beaten out of us for touching a gun when we weren't supposed to be. But the 2 were definately enough to keep the 6 of us and the following 7 of our little siblings away from them in the house.

 

[Agrooreo]

And to make a real analogy here, would you let your 5 year old operate a circular saw? Or a pneumatic nail gun? Or would you let those sit around the house with no precautions? Do you think it's a good idea?


[/quote]

A circular saw? Doubt it unless he was actually large enough to actually control it. A nail gun definately, after of course teaching him the proper way to use it and supervising him closely to make sure he understood.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Agrooreo

And to make a real analogy here, would you let your 5 year old operate a circular saw? Or a pneumatic nail gun? Or would you let those sit around the house with no precautions? Do you think it's a good idea?

A circular saw? Doubt it unless he was actually large enough to actually control it. A nail gun definately, after of course teaching him the proper way to use it and supervising him closely to make sure he understood.[/quote]

So you think it would be a good idea to leave an operational nail gun sitting around the house? Do you think it's a safe idea? If you do, i hope you're not a foreman or in an occupation that involves those tools, because even OHSA would have something to say about that. Hell loads of ADULTS get hurt with either one of those things annualy and you're arguing its a good idea for a 5 year old kid to use one.

You can get cordless circ saw btw

 

[Agrooreo]

As long as my kid understands the danger in one and understands how to use it I wouldn't care at all if he used one. Now Im not saying that I would have the same attitude as say him playing with legos, it is still a tool! But no I wouldn't have a problem at all with him using a nail gun to complete some kind of project or whatever. Like I said before it all hinges on his understanding of the danger and knowledge of how to correctly use the instrument in this case a nail gun.

BTW I also understand that you can get a cordless circ saw lol I have one in the garage. My son using one of those though would be dependant again on wether or not he would be able to control the saw psyhically.