Should we get Anand to review these rooted nooks?

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sjwaste

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At $249, the Nook Color is a ridiculous value if you're willing to root it. 64gb of storage isn't an option on it, but I recently saw a 32 gig card going for $50 on FW from a reputable retailer (NOT an Ebay fake). So call it $299 for a 32 gig Nook Color.

There is, of course, the factor of your time to root and modify it. I don't count that as part of my total cost because I would have done that anyway, and have probably spent way too much time fooling with it well after it was already doing what I wanted.

My config now is CyanogenMod 7 with Dalingrin's 4/4 Kernel @ 1 GHz. The battery life is better than with the stock CM7 kernel, which was really draining fast for some reason. Expect another boost when the devs get sleep fully working, since the device never actually sleeps right now. I find myself plugging it in every couple of days with moderate use, but since I already keep a Micro USB charger at work for my BB and Evo, sometimes I top off there too. It will charge from MicroUSB, just not as quickly as from the Nook charger w/ the extra pins/current.

To answer darkswordsman's question, the battery is 1530 mAh. Remember, it's the form factor of a Nook/Kindle, not an iPad. The screen is glass, with no coating. Glare is a slight issue, and the fix is the same as an iPad - buy a screen protector w/ the right coating.

More basics here: http://nookdevs.com/What_we_know

I'm not sure that it's really valid to compare a Nook Color against an iPad, though. The NC is smaller and proportional to a book. The iPad is larger and closer to 4:3 like a traditional media device. I'd suggest that if money were not a consideration, to get a NC if you will use it as a reader and an iPad if you will use it from the couch to surf the web and play some games. My wife and I own both, and I strongly prefer the NC as a reader and I do take it to work on the metro every day. I wouldn't do that with the larger/heavier iPad, but the bigger screen makes it a nice media device.

Both are pretty awesome.
 

KDOG

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Doesn't have to be a "review" in the traditional sense. It can just be more of a showcase article etc.
 
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At $249, the Nook Color is a ridiculous value if you're willing to root it. 64gb of storage isn't an option on it, but I recently saw a 32 gig card going for $50 on FW from a reputable retailer (NOT an Ebay fake). So call it $299 for a 32 gig Nook Color.

There is, of course, the factor of your time to root and modify it. I don't count that as part of my total cost because I would have done that anyway, and have probably spent way too much time fooling with it well after it was already doing what I wanted.

My config now is CyanogenMod 7 with Dalingrin's 4/4 Kernel @ 1 GHz. The battery life is better than with the stock CM7 kernel, which was really draining fast for some reason. Expect another boost when the devs get sleep fully working, since the device never actually sleeps right now. I find myself plugging it in every couple of days with moderate use, but since I already keep a Micro USB charger at work for my BB and Evo, sometimes I top off there too. It will charge from MicroUSB, just not as quickly as from the Nook charger w/ the extra pins/current.

To answer darkswordsman's question, the battery is 1530 mAh. Remember, it's the form factor of a Nook/Kindle, not an iPad. The screen is glass, with no coating. Glare is a slight issue, and the fix is the same as an iPad - buy a screen protector w/ the right coating.

More basics here: http://nookdevs.com/What_we_know

I'm not sure that it's really valid to compare a Nook Color against an iPad, though. The NC is smaller and proportional to a book. The iPad is larger and closer to 4:3 like a traditional media device. I'd suggest that if money were not a consideration, to get a NC if you will use it as a reader and an iPad if you will use it from the couch to surf the web and play some games. My wife and I own both, and I strongly prefer the NC as a reader and I do take it to work on the metro every day. I wouldn't do that with the larger/heavier iPad, but the bigger screen makes it a nice media device.

Both are pretty awesome.

Thanks. Yeah, I knew it would be less, just wanted to have an idea of how much less. I actually prefer the glass myself.

I'll be looking at e-readers with someone at the end of this week and I'll be looking at the Nook Color for sure. My main concern is if the screen size will be an issue for me. One thing I'm interested in a tablet for is to use as a sort of digital sketchpad (using one of the capacitive stylus you can buy). If the screen is big enough, I would imagine it would probably be better for me than an iPad as it would be more manageable (hold with one arm and draw with the other). While I definitely would like a lot of battery, I don't think it would be too bad, and I can always buy an external battery.
 

poofyhairguy

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From what I understand Nook Colors are way less capable with capacitive styluses than iPads are.
 

sjwaste

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Thanks. Yeah, I knew it would be less, just wanted to have an idea of how much less. I actually prefer the glass myself.

I'll be looking at e-readers with someone at the end of this week and I'll be looking at the Nook Color for sure. My main concern is if the screen size will be an issue for me. One thing I'm interested in a tablet for is to use as a sort of digital sketchpad (using one of the capacitive stylus you can buy). If the screen is big enough, I would imagine it would probably be better for me than an iPad as it would be more manageable (hold with one arm and draw with the other). While I definitely would like a lot of battery, I don't think it would be too bad, and I can always buy an external battery.

The Amazon reviews on capacitive styluses (is that the right plural?) suggest that the Nook Color is not that great with one. I don't have any first hand experience, but I'm about to order one so I will let you know. For what it's worth, I haven't heard of any of the mainstream tablets being much of any good with a stylus.

As far as a reader goes, the NC is unbeatable if you also want to play some NESoid on it. Or load up Slingplayer. Or lay in bed and surf on it, especially forums that support Tapatalk. It's a nice form factor. Of course, I am presuming you'll root and load another ROM.

I like the iPad too, so you basically just need to determine what is the right size for you. I know less about what you can get on there once you jailbreak, though.
 

pm

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I don't understand why the Nook is such a great deal compared to the Viewsonic GTablet. The GTablet is $300, has a 10" screen, an nVidia Tegra GPU, has Bluetooth, supports 1080p, has a USB port and can act as a USB host, and it can be easily rooted and you can install CM on it. It also has the Android buttons on the bezel so you don't have to deal with the floating virtual buttons on the Nook. The Gtablet was on Woot for $280 a couple of weeks ago, and Amazon had the price at $280 last week for a couple of days. For $30-50 more you get a much larger screen, and pretty much better spec's across the board.

So I've been sitting on the fence trying to decide if I want to buy a Nook to replace my iPad and escape Apple, but the GTablet - now that the price is under $300 online - seems much better than the Nook. What am I missing?
 
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Pliablemoose

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I don't understand why the Nook is such a great deal compared to the Viewsonic GTablet. The GTablet is $300, has a 10" screen, an nVidia Tegra GPU, has Bluetooth, supports 1080p, has a USB port and can act as a USB host, and it can be easily rooted and you can install CM on it. It also has the Android buttons on the bezel so you don't have to deal with the floating virtual buttons on the Nook. The Gtablet was on Woot for $280 a couple of weeks ago, and Amazon had the price at $280 last week for a couple of days. For $30-50 more you get a much larger screen, and pretty much better spec's across the board.

So I've been sitting on the fence trying to decide if I want to buy a Nook to replace my iPad and escape Apple, but the GTablet - now that the price is under $300 online - seems much better than the Nook. What am I missing?

The reviews on the Viewsonic tablet are horrible, don't do it. Or if you do, pick a retailer that doesn't charge a restocking fee.
 

pm

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The reviews on the Viewsonic tablet are horrible, don't do it. Or if you do, pick a retailer that doesn't charge a restocking fee.

Where are they horrible? And is it because of the hardware or the software (which can be changed)?

175 reviews averaging 4 our of 5 stars at Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-gTab.../dp/B004EPV7TK

26 reviews average ~4 our of 5 stars on Google Shopping

User reviews seem pretty good. If I'm planning to flash CM on it... the software doesn't matter - any more than it matters on a rooted Nook Color.
 

Aikouka

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Where are they horrible? And is it because of the hardware or the software (which can be changed)?

175 reviews averaging 4 our of 5 stars at Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-gTab.../dp/B004EPV7TK

26 reviews average ~4 our of 5 stars on Google Shopping

User reviews seem pretty good. If I'm planning to flash CM on it... the software doesn't matter - any more than it matters on a rooted Nook Color.

I made a thread about a sale on the tablet once, and the overwhelming comment was that it has a really bad screen. Now, for some the screen might not be too bad, but for people used to the great viewing angles on a device like the iPad... it's pretty bad.

I've never used one in person, but with that advice, I'd rather spend more money and get the ASUS Transformer later this month.
 

pm

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Yeah, I used one at Office Depot for about 30 minutes. I agree, the screen wasn't great. And that is one really nice thing about the Nook Color - the screen is beautiful.

And yeah, the Transformer might be an option - although I've read it's delayed, and it won't be $300 when it comes out , will it? I'd expect more like $450-500.
 

gorcorps

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Finally got this thing rooted and working right. It was such a PITA though that I couldn't see Anand reviewing it. I still feel its not very stable given all my problems.
 

ponyo

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Yeah, I used one at Office Depot for about 30 minutes. I agree, the screen wasn't great. And that is one really nice thing about the Nook Color - the screen is beautiful.

And yeah, the Transformer might be an option - although I've read it's delayed, and it won't be $300 when it comes out , will it? I'd expect more like $450-500.

I think "7 Galaxy Tab for $350 is just as good or better bang/buck than the Nook. Nook with memory card will run you close to $300. I rather pay $50 extra for stock built–in features and better hardware on the Tab. Of course if you're CM fanboy, Samsung is not the product you want.
 

Aikouka

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Yeah, I used one at Office Depot for about 30 minutes. I agree, the screen wasn't great. And that is one really nice thing about the Nook Color - the screen is beautiful.

And yeah, the Transformer might be an option - although I've read it's delayed, and it won't be $300 when it comes out , will it? I'd expect more like $450-500.

It should be $400 for just the tablet itself.

Choosing between the more powerful tablets is an odd situation when it comes to Android. On iOS, I can point out some things that simply perform better with the more powerful A5 in the iPad 2, but I don't recall Android having any of those powerful games in its repertoire. Not to say Android doesn't have any good games, but Angry Birds will run fine on the Droid X hardware that you find in the Nook Color.
 

poofyhairguy

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It should be $400 for just the tablet itself.

Choosing between the more powerful tablets is an odd situation when it comes to Android. On iOS, I can point out some things that simply perform better with the more powerful A5 in the iPad 2, but I don't recall Android having any of those powerful games in its repertoire. Not to say Android doesn't have any good games, but Angry Birds will run fine on the Droid X hardware that you find in the Nook Color.

The issue is "Tegra optimized" games such a Fruit Ninja HD.

The only game that originally outright ran slow on my Nook Color was Gun Bros, but that is way better now that a 16bit kernel exists.
 

poofyhairguy

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I looked at the guide once to boot from the SD card and it seems like a bigger PITA than I expected.

That is not how I use the ROM. I just have it installed on my Nook as its main OS.

I thought you merely flashed the SD card with an img file... why is this one so much more complicated?

The reason it is hard if you plan to run the OS off an SD card is because you have to go through all this voodoo to make the card bootable. This is a usual thing- I had to pretty much follow the same initial steps a few months ago when I wanted a pen drive that could boot Ubuntu. Mass-produced fat 32 cards aren't meant for that purpose.

People even sell the cards on ebay if it really is too hard for you:

http://cgi.ebay.com/SD-Card-8GB-Cl-...ultDomain_0&hash=item3cb72432aa#ht_500wt_1156

With that said, I advise against running the OS off the SD card. I have a very nice class 10 card and quite honestly even it sucks as an OS drive. The experience is miserable in my opinion compared to the smoothness of running the OS off the Nook itself.
 

Aikouka

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The issue is "Tegra optimized" games such a Fruit Ninja HD.

The only game that originally outright ran slow on my Nook Color was Gun Bros, but that is way better now that a 16bit kernel exists.

Fruit Ninja really needs Tegra? It never seemed all that complex or graphically potent.

Is that something that you have to get off the "Tegra Zone"?
 

poofyhairguy

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Fruit Ninja really needs Tegra? It never seemed all that complex or graphically potent.

Is that something that you have to get off the "Tegra Zone"?

It is a redone version in the main Android market:

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.halfbrick.fruitninjathd

Its the exact difference between the HD and non-HD versions on iOS as far as the actual games go. The HD version have maybe twice as many polygons for the fruit, and way more achievements.
 

gorcorps

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That is not how I use the ROM. I just have it installed on my Nook as its main OS.



The reason it is hard if you plan to run the OS off an SD card is because you have to go through all this voodoo to make the card bootable. This is a usual thing- I had to pretty much follow the same initial steps a few months ago when I wanted a pen drive that could boot Ubuntu. Mass-produced fat 32 cards aren't meant for that purpose.

People even sell the cards on ebay if it really is too hard for you:

http://cgi.ebay.com/SD-Card-8GB-Cl-...ultDomain_0&hash=item3cb72432aa#ht_500wt_1156

With that said, I advise against running the OS off the SD card. I have a very nice class 10 card and quite honestly even it sucks as an OS drive. The experience is miserable in my opinion compared to the smoothness of running the OS off the Nook itself.

It's not a big deal... i just wanted to try it and see how it was before i committed to a full flash. Truth is that the rooted Nook fw works fine for me. I'm still reading a lot so I don't want to lose that. I still have the freedom of a nearly full market and all apps without losing the ereader focus. Sure I can't overclock and it's not as smooth as it can be, but its still awesome.
 

gorcorps

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Alright guys, I've heard it's impossible to brick a nook but I've done it. Everything I've heard is how stable these hacks are but I've had nothing but problems. Right now the Nook is entirely unresponsive and won't do a damned thing... regardless of what buttons I hit and how long they're pressed. The screen never turns on and nothing happens.
 

poofyhairguy

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Alright guys, I've heard it's impossible to brick a nook but I've done it. Everything I've heard is how stable these hacks are but I've had nothing but problems. Right now the Nook is entirely unresponsive and won't do a damned thing... regardless of what buttons I hit and how long they're pressed. The screen never turns on and nothing happens.

It is not bricked. It is impossible to brick a Nook. You can always boot off a SD card and restore back to stock OS if you want to. Here is how to start over if that is the direction you want to go:

http://theunlockr.com/2011/02/14/how-to-restore-the-nook-color-to-stock/

I have been there before. It is not bricked.
 
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AnMig

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Alright guys, I've heard it's impossible to brick a nook but I've done it. Everything I've heard is how stable these hacks are but I've had nothing but problems. Right now the Nook is entirely unresponsive and won't do a damned thing... regardless of what buttons I hit and how long they're pressed. The screen never turns on and nothing happens.

Are you able to boot of a bootable SD card with h clockworks recovery program?

Basically you create a bootable SD card with the clockwork program in it. Download a a stable rom like cm7. Boot of the sd card, install rom from the sd card. Its like booting of a recovery cd.

Unless your nook refuses to boot the sd card you should be fine.

Google nook color CM7 V6, you will find instructions on how to create a botable sd card. Love my nook color.

Darn poorhairguy beat me to it. That's what I get trying to respond using my nook. There is a input lag when typing a response on this forum (USING THE NOOK)

Good luck
 
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