Should women protect themselves from rape

[Texashiker]

Recently a group of people developed fingernail polish that turns colors when exposed to a date rape drug. The woman is supposed to dip her finger into her drink. If the date rape drug is in the drink the polish turns colors.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/08/26/nail-polish-date-rape-drugs/14606105/

What has be confused, feminist are upset that a women should protect herself.

http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...sh-actually-also-rape-culture-katherine-timpf

Is self-defense a personal responsibility? I think it is. Everyone one of us have a personal responsibility to ensure our own safety.

Why should locking car and house doors, wearing a seat belt, keeping personal information private,,,, be standard practice, but women should not take steps to protect themselves from predators?

It is not like criminals care about their victims anyway. Should I tell a snake not to bite me? Or should I be careful when picking limbs up around the yard?

 

[nehalem256]

I believe this was covered in another thread.

Where apparently liberals argued it was reasonable for women to allow themselves to be viciously raped rather than *gasp* say no a 2nd time after hopping into bed with a man she had been having sex with for months.

Why should locking car and house doors

Stop supporting theft culture

 

[rommelrommel]

This thread is going places.

 

[BoberFett]

Hardcore feminists have been clinging desperately to relevance for some time now.

 

[Strk]

I'm very confused by this thread thread and the responses hitherto have not helped either

 

[Moonbeam]

Poor Texashiker, trying to make sense of a world through the lense of unexamined assumptions that have nothing at all to do with the issues in the links.

The so called feminist view you created out of thin air is actually just a statement that some women are pissed that they even need to have to protect themselves from animals parading around as men. We live in a culture of sick males and that is the issue, not self protection.

Date rapists should have their dicks cut off and stuffed down their throats. How's that for a natural reaction.

 

[Texashiker]

Date rapists should have their dicks cut off and stuffed down their throats. How's that for a natural reaction.

Over 52,000 post, and you finally posted something that made sense.

 

[BoberFett]

Poor Texashiker, trying to make sense of a world through the lense of unexamined assumptions that have nothing at all to do with the issues in the links.

The so called feminist view you created out of thin air is actually just a statement that some women are pissed that they even need to have to protect themselves from animals parading around as men. We live in a culture of sick males and that is the issue, not self protection.

Date rapists should have their dicks cut off and stuffed down their throats. How's that for a natural reaction.

What should be done with women who emotionally abuse men?

 

[brandonb]

The so called feminist view you created out of thin air is actually just a statement that some women are pissed that they even need to have to protect themselves from animals parading around as men. We live in a culture of sick males and that is the issue, not self protection.

I agree with you. But it's not a perfect world, and it will never be one. Sad as it may be.

 

[Zaap]

Over 52,000 post, and you finally posted something that made sense.

I was thinking the same thing, only about the entirety of his post.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

What should be done with women who emotionally abuse men?

Yeah, that's basically the same as rape. Tell you what, those women should have their dicks cut off too. Fair's fair.

 

[glenn1]

The so called feminist view you created out of thin air is actually just a statement that some women are pissed that they even need to have to protect themselves from animals parading around as men. We live in a culture of sick males and that is the issue, not self protection.

I'm pissed that people even need to protect themselves from hucksters preying on the gullible with Nigerian 419 email scams, but I'm not going to berate the people who created Spam filters because the world isn't perfect.

 

[SunnyD]

Feminists: Supporting equality except when they want to be treated specially.

Go figure.

 

[Texashiker]

The so called feminist view you created out of thin air is actually just a statement that some women are pissed that they even need to have to protect themselves from animals parading around as men. We live in a culture of sick males and that is the issue, not self protection.

Here in the south we have what is called a copperhead snake. This type of snake likes to hide under pieces of metal such as tin, near logs, under leaves,,,, anywhere insects collect.

While clearing a yard you have to be careful when moving logs or picking pieces of tin up because a copperhead may be hiding there.

If we applied the feminist mentality, I should pick the tin up, roll the logs and tell the snake not to bite me.

 

[BoberFett]

Yeah, that's basically the same as rape. Tell you what, those women should have their dicks cut off too. Fair's fair.

So you're promoting abuse culture.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Here in the south we have what is called a copperhead snake. This type of snake likes to hide under pieces of metal such as tin, near logs, under leaves,,,, anywhere insects collect.

While clearing a yard you have to be careful when moving logs or picking pieces of tin up because a copperhead will be there.

If we applied the feminist mentality, I should pick the tin up, roll the logs and tell the snake not to bite me.

The only problem with that analogy is that snakes aren't bound by the law; humans are. Expecting a man to not attempt to rape makes a whole lot more sense than expecting a snake not to bite.

 

[fskimospy]

Here in the south we have what is called a copperhead snake. This type of snake likes to hide under pieces of metal such as tin, near logs, under leaves,,,, anywhere insects collect.

While clearing a yard you have to be careful when moving logs or picking pieces of tin up because a copperhead will be there.

If we applied the feminist mentality, I should pick the tin up, roll the logs and tell the snake not to bite me.

The snake is not a human being with agency and self awareness.

It may be wise for women to protect themselves from sexual assault, but the onus to stop such behavior is always on the perpetrator, not the victim. Men assaulting women is and will always be the fault of the men assaulting the women, not the women for not protecting themselves better.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

So you're promoting abuse culture.

In exactly the same way that you're promoting rape. Which is to say, no, we aren't, I just don't think it's reasonable to equate the two.

 

[BoberFett]

In exactly the same way that you're promoting rape. Which is to say, no, we aren't, I just don't think it's reasonable to equate the two.

Why not? What's the worse damage from rape? The bruises? Or the mental damage it causes?

As to the original topic, you cannot expect anything from anyone. Laws will never prevent bad behavior, only prescribe punishment for it.

If a tool to help women prevent rape is promoting rape culture, then laws outlawing rape are doing the same.

 

[fskimospy]

Why not? What's the worse damage from rape? The bruises? Or the mental damage it causes?

As to the original topic, you cannot expect anything from anyone. Laws will never prevent bad behavior, only prescribe punishment for it.

It's pretty much empirically proven that laws prevent bad behavior. This is just a fact.

Did you mean laws will never prevent ALL bad behavior? That would be correct.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If only people would read. From the Thinkprogress link

“I think that anything that can help reduce sexual violence from happening is, in some ways, a really good thing,” Tracey Vitchers, the board chair for Students Active For Ending Rape (SAFER), told ThinkProgress. “But I think we need to think critically about why we keep placing the responsibility for preventing sexual assault on young women.”

I see that as a perfectly rational viewpoint. On one hand this way of detecting roofies is great, but on the other hand it's a shame that women would ever have to do so.

I don't see this as a mutually exclusive thing.

There are statements which I do disagree with like

According to Alexandra Brodsky, one of the founders and current co-directors of Know Your IX, a survivor-led group working to address campus sexual assault, well-intentioned products like anti-rape nail polish can actually end up fueling victim blaming. Any college students who don’t use the special polish could open themselves up to criticism for failing to do everything in their power to prevent rape.

That would be Brodsky's perspective and there may be people who think like she suggests but I believe she's projecting. If a woman was raped I don't know anyone who would say "tsk, tsk, it's her fault because she wore the wrong nail polish". That's not a good enough reason to oppose a means of protection.

The world is not as it should be and if someone feels more secure for using tools to protect oneself then it is not the right of some (note some) feminists to criticize their choice.

So "feminists think this or that" isn't relevant, because their ideas on this are different. As for myself I'm in the "it's a shame there's a reason for this at all".

 

[nehalem256]

The real irony of testing your alcoholic beverage for date rape drugs is that alcohol is the most prevalent date rape drug :awe:

 

[nehalem256]

It's pretty much empirically proven that laws prevent bad behavior. This is just a fact.

Didn't you argue that making abortion illegal is wrong because laws against abortion do nothing to deter it?

 

[Phanuel]

Feminists continue ensuring that the victim card is available to them, more news at 11.

And rape statistics is another "fun" area where the definition of rape continues to expand and is primarily centered around intoxicated individuals and their inability to consent as well as being classified as "Non-consensual sexual penetration" which completely excludes men from being raped typically if one ignores prisoners and homosexuals.

 

[ch33zw1z]

The real irony of testing your alcoholic beverage for date rape drugs is that alcohol is the most prevalent date rape drug :awe:

school yourself on date rape drugs.