How about being objective, not jumping to conclusions, and realizing that the 980 is a good card and in some games may be the better solution?
That IS being objective.Look at your requirements, and look at the games you will be using, and then factor in Nvidia's lies, and then, finally make your decision.
OCuk is giving full refunds for any 970 purchased.
Fawk I have 2 970s in SLI I didn't install yet from NewEgg, but I bought them last year. I wanted to use 1080p x 3, it sounds like they are not fit for duty? HOW DO WE GET MULA BACK?
Are you looking at the same post I made ?
Look at your requirements, and look at the games you will be using, and then factor in Nvidia's lies, and then, finally make your decision.
That IS being objective.
You factor everything that has been done, and what you will do, then make your decision with all the facts.
If they already did that, and they ended up with 980, fine. If they go with 290X or whatever else, fine.
They just now have all the facts about the current crop of cards, where before, they didn't have all the facts.
I think you're "kidding yourself." I think 1080p x 3 might just be "water-off-a-duck's-back." I have "2x 1080p," although some might dispute the intensity of the "application." I can run my HDTV with Live TV or anything-Media-Center on the 42" while playing a contemporary (potentially demanding) game on the 28" -- only with a single GTX 780. How would that differ from 2x 1080p distributing each half of a game?
I'd say that 3x 1080p would again be no problem for 2x 970 SLI.
I already gave my assessment about "4K" and the consumer market, or even "enthusiast preferences, priorities, budget" etc.
Again -- I think the "not-4GB-memory" flap is overblown. They built the 970 to work as it does. It was the marketing folks who should've shown "4GB*" in features with a footnote, or "3.5GB*" with a footnote. Not completely "deceptive," but not adequately "revealing."
HDTV or media does not drive a card like a game does.
Also there is a significant difference stepping up from 1080p to 2x1080p to 3x1080p, etc. The amount of pixels being pushed NEEDS POWA!!!!!!
It might be blown out of proportion, but if NewEgg will accept a return for full refund I will be investigating other cards.
I'd say that 3x 1080p would again be no problem for 2x 970 SLI.
I wouldn't say that for sure as I had 3x 970 SLI at release and was really surprised at the stuttering I was seeing especially since I had G-Sync monitors. I find it hard to believe I was running above 3GB for all my games and I like a really smooth gaming experience so I will lower settings to up the FPS. Maybe the drivers (thinking 344.16 at the time) were not optimized, but going from 3x 970 to 3x 980 was a very big difference in terms of smoothness. My guess is that 512MB of memory was used before an app reached the 3.5GB limit, but maybe no longer an issue in current drivers or it's a surround issue. However, I would really confirm that by other users before going 970 SLI and surround.
Unless you play Nvidia sponsored titles specifically a lot more, you could even consider a 295x2 for 650 (after rebate). Will be as quiet or quieter than a 980 Sli and thereabout in performance.They can do that, but they discriminate for "different items." If you can't get a refund RMA, you can get an exchange-RMA.
I'm still within my 30-day window -- per a single GTX 970. Ya know what? I'm actually considering the purchase of a second!
Comparing the 2x970 to 2x980 seems to suggest a better bang-for-buck return from the "crippled" 970. The comparison I saw was posted on one of these threads. I think the 2x "crippled" gave you in excess of 80% of 2x980 SLI performance. By comparison, the ~$700 price tag compares to more than $1,100.
I will probably never do multi-monitor gaming. Instead, I'll likely have "multi-monitor" TV split between two computers, and single-monitor gaming on each. But I can see the point of it. I just don't think it would be much of a problem, given the benchmark comparisons I mentioned.
Well, there's an old expression I heard in the movie "Point Break:" "PEACE! Through Su-peer-ior Fire Power!!" If you imagine all sorts of things, you could spend $2 Trillion on a national defense budget when $500 billion kept you way ahead of the major players. Or you could spend thousands on graphics cards when you could do fine spending hundreds.
Just my thought about it, dawg. . . .
I laughed.....
You can't seriously believe that Nvidia didn't lie ?
Look at the non-editied PR guy's post "We messed up some of the stats on the reviewer kit" aka, they lied.
In any case, this topic has pretty much run its course for now, the only thing left to see is, if Nvidia will actually do something on Monday, like issue free games to 970 owners as a belated "sorry for lying" to those that don't want refunds, and refunds to those that do want them.
As can be seen in this thread, there ARE sellers that are stepping up to the plate to fix Nvidia's lies by doing refunds, but, that is very rare at this point, and sporadic in the case of Newegg.
A lie is deliberate, messing up is a mistake.
A lie is deliberate, messing up is a mistake.
You can't seriously believe that Nvidia didn't lie ?
Look at the non-editied PR guy's post "We messed up some of the stats on the reviewer kit" aka, they lied.
In any case, this topic has pretty much run its course for now, the only thing left to see is, if Nvidia will actually do something on Monday, like issue free games to 970 owners as a belated "sorry for lying" to those that don't want refunds, and refunds to those that do want them.
As can be seen in this thread, there ARE sellers that are stepping up to the plate to fix Nvidia's lies by doing refunds, but, that is very rare at this point, and sporadic in the case of Newegg.
A lie is deliberate, messing up is a mistake.
A lie is deliberate, messing up is a mistake.
How could the wrong specs get put down by mistake and then never get corrected by anyone after being reported by every site that tested it, and every AIB partner, and everyone who sold one, until they were caught and have that called a mistake? They had months of reading those mistaken specs being published all around the globe and not one person who knew better saw it? We're expected to believe that's what happen?
Sorry, but in the grown up business world people are responsible for their incompetence/lies (whichever way you see it) and not the retailers and AIB's who had nothing to do with the misinformation. We've even had people try and blame it on the reviewers. Like they have any idea about the physical properties of the chip.
I'm green-leaning with a GTX 680. Before that a 560ti, Radeon 6850, R 4870, ... Geforce 2, 3dfx Voodoo3, ...
My opinion is nvidia deliberately misled reviewers and the public, and hoped that their memory allocation scheme would work well enough to keep the deception hidden.
That is much more plausible than thinking they made the effort to write the caching, and then "accidentally" "miscommunicated" with marketing and all public-facing staff to make the card look better than it is. Oops!
Pretty much this. It was perhaps a mistake, but even legally a mistake turns into willful intention. Ignorance is not an excuse.
It will turn into Engineers vs Marketing, and I'm pretty sure no engineer worth his salt would go on record saying "we didn't know the specs, honestly" unless they were the chosen martyr.
You made a mistake? Sure, I can understand, if you came and rectified it within a day or two of it being published. You waited months, after selling units, after global praise, after your own websites propagated your "mistake" - yeah at that point you are no longer making a mistake. You are down right lying.
You honestly believe they would deliberately lie when the chances of a tech site discovering it is extremely high?...Im going to laugh again!
I think that says more about your opinion of NV than anything else, Hey, that's okay, you cant please everyone!