Should you be compensated for the GTX 970 issues and spec changes?

[2is]

People recommended it on performance. Go look at the posts I did, that's why I own 970s. Not one person said "It has the same number of ROPS" no...it was "It's $200 less and performs so close the 980 doesn't present a good enough value for the difference"

Based on what performance? Current? Future? Do you think everyone who bought it wanted it for just todays game only for performance to tank when 4GB of ram needs to be used? You don't know any of that and it's silly to try and pretend like you do.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Based on what performance? Current? Future? Do you think everyone who bought it wanted it for just todays game only for performance to tank when 4GB of ram needs to be used? You don't know any of that and it's silly to try and pretend like you do.

lol...nobody ever said "it'll be fine in games for x number of years". Is that what you're trying to imply? That's ridiculous.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Well the card has issues now never mind in 2 years.

 

[2is]

lol...nobody ever said "it'll be fine in games for x number of years". Is that what you're trying to imply? That's ridiculous.

I'm not implying anything. I'm actually telling you that people do look at specs. Here I'll simplify it for you... 680 2 vs 4GB. In the majority of games during their release they performed virtually the same. Many people still decided to go with 4GB to future proof their cards for future titles and/or a future monitor upgrade. This is no different. Doesn't matter how you want to talk your way around being wrong.

 

[Carfax83]

Well, I finally got an answer back from Newegg concerning the possibility of returning my G1 GTX 970s for a refund. They denied me, and basically told me to talk to the manufacturer which in this case is Gigabyte.

I'm kind of disappointed to be honest. Although retailers like Newegg have the least amount of culpability in this affair, I thought that they would follow Amazon's lead and allow returns. So in the future, I'm going to make sure never to purchase video cards from Newegg again..

Tomorrow I'm going to call Gigabyte's support number and ask them what my options are..

 

[3DVagabond]

People recommended it on performance. Go look at the posts, I did that's why I own 970s. Not one person said "It has the same number of ROPS" no...it was "It's $200 less and performs so close the 980 doesn't present a good enough value for the difference"

People are unhappy with nVidia. It might not matter to you what they did and how they are handling it and that's fine, obviously others don't feel the same way, and they are entitled to feel misused and betrayed by nVidia.

 

[Lil'John]

Do I think people should get something for a 970? No.

Do I think people should get to return the 970 for free? Absolutely.

Well, I finally got an answer back from Newegg concerning the possibility of returning my G1 GTX 970s for a refund. <snip>

Tomorrow I'm going to call Gigabyte's support number and ask them what my options are..

Please keep us updated on this. I'm JUST starting my process now with my retailer. They were receptive to a return but I no longer have original packaging... I bought two cards 3 months ago. They appeared fine with light gaming. I finally had a chance to beat on them and ran into the issue :\

 

[ocre]

People are unhappy with nVidia. It might not matter to you what they did and how they are handling it and that's fine, obviously others don't feel the same way, and they are entitled to feel misused and betrayed by nVidia.

I 100% agree with you

I think many people misunderstood what I have been saying though.

I totally agree, people may be unhappy they were misled. They have every right to remember how nvidia reacted to this. I encourage everyone to remember.

But,

Sending your card back, going through this large process.....

Anyone that knows that's what they want to do, do it.

But I want to let people know that the 980 isn't way better. With my new 980, i do not play settings that were required to make my 970 fall off the cliff. It's unpleasant with the 980 as well.
I returned my 970 for several reasons.

1) see, I originally wanted a 980 because it had so many more cuda cores-I just couldn't justify the extra price because I reckoned all other specs were equal.

2) I fell in love with DSR. In games, in motion, it is just so much better than I ever thought going by the review pictures. It is a feature I didn't care about and completely underestimated.

3). I thought that this ram issue must be what is causing issue playing 4x DSR.

So, of course I was gonna do something. My ram was causing issues and I bought a card I didn't even want because I thought it was only gimped in cuda cores/sm. I thought VSR would be just as great as DSR. Out of principle, I should get a 290x.....
Turned out, bestbuy would only exchange my well over 30day old gtx970. Out going to several bestbuy stores, none stock the 290(x), or at least none had them stocked. I put a lot of effort, even drove 80miles one way just to check the largest bestbuy who told me they couldn't check the in store stock because their system was down. But, I thought if any would have it, this one should.

Nope.

Exchanged it for a gtx980 and payed the difference.
That was what I originally wanted anyway and I was tired of playing around. All I wanted was happy gaming and DSR was what I needed.

Anyway, I found out that the settings I was using was just too much for the gm204. These modern games are really something else. Even the 980 couldn't do ultra settings plus 4x DSR. Actually, some games aren't smooth enough at 2x.
Crazy how it works. It's a game by game basis. Some games take a major hit with DSR while others seem to be handle well enough. But it's the modern games that seem to take the largest hit.

I found out that I couldn't play these settings on a 980 either. That pushing the settings up, there is a point which the GPU just can't keep up. It's kind of, all at once. With DSR, you may be able to do 2x but complete stutter fest at 3x.

But this is something I want people to know. The DSR settings that caused my 970 to crap out, they aren't enjoyable on my 980 either. It's just too demanding.

For the most part, reviews show the 980 to be around 15% faster than a 970. In the real world, playing games.......
It is almost undetectable.

I am not trying to persuade anyone against doing what they want to do. Just sharing my first hand experience as it may be useful to some.

It's really no big change at all.

I say this and still think, people should remember this. It's just right now there isn't a lot of performance to gain even with a 980.

 

[Nhirlathothep]

0.5 gb is nothing.

Nvidia miserable policy is in their 980 cards.

gtx 980 are limited at 4gb vram, to make nvidia user buy another card next year.


When new cards will come out, with 8gb vram, the difference 3.5-4gb vram, will seem nothing as it is.

 

[3DVagabond]

*snip*

That's good you see my point. You aren't cmdrdredd though.

 

[Headfoot]

lol...nobody ever said "it'll be fine in games for x number of years". Is that what you're trying to imply? That's ridiculous.

Oh and here I thought the buying public bought their video cards on the assumption it would continue to display consistent performance for longer than the moment they buy them!

 

[exar333]

0.5 gb is nothing.

Nvidia miserable policy is in their 980 cards.

gtx 980 are limited at 4gb vram, to make nvidia user buy another card next year.


When new cards will come out, with 8gb vram, the difference 3.5-4gb vram, will seem nothing as it is.

Just like there was no difference between 1.5GB and 1GB and 1.5GB and 2GB? Oh wait....

 

[Nhirlathothep]

Just like there was no difference between 1.5GB and 1GB and 1.5GB and 2GB? Oh wait....

1.5 vs 1.0gb it s 50%

i dont trow money on gpu with less than 8gb vram. I dont change hw every year, my future gpu it s gonna last for a lot (8-10years).


3.5gb 4gb gpu, the're performing the same now and are going to be obsolete at the same time

 

[AnandThenMan]

It would be better if the 970 was a 3.5GB card, not a 3.5+slow lane 0.5. That is the actual issue, for the 1,000,000th time.

 

[Nhirlathothep]

It would be better if the 970 was a 3.5GB card, not a 3.5+slow lane 0.5. That is the actual issue, for the 1,000,000th time.

okok, calm down, i ve never wanted a gtx 970 and i m not involved in this problem.

i think u have to be refunded, but i m telling u there is no better option out there to buy with your money

i dont like amd cards and gtx 980 4gb sucks too. no good choices at all

edit: ah, and nvidia is killing kepler cards too, so no used good cards too

 

[SlowSpyder]

okok, calm down, i ve never wanted a gtx 970 and i m not involved in this problem.

i think u have to be refunded, but i m telling u there is no better option out there to buy with your money

i dont like amd cards and gtx 980 4gb sucks too. no good choices at all

edit: ah, and nvidia is killing kepler cards too, so no used good cards too

I would take a $300 R9 MSI 290X Lightning (when they were available up to a few days ago) over a GTX 970. There are still some decent R9 290X's that can be had for less than a GTX970, but the Lightning looks like it has gone up.

 

[Cerb]

edit: ah, and nvidia is killing kepler cards too, so no used good cards too

Not that I'd consider a Kepler today except at very low prices, but in what way are they killing it?

 

[Nhirlathothep]

Not that I'd consider a Kepler today except at very low prices, but in what way are they killing it?

no optimizations at all, it s terribile vs maxwell it s terrible vs amd.

780ti was near 980 some months ago, now in new games it s behind 970.

we see 780ti under 290x on new game, this card was so great...

and it s not 3gb memory's fault, look at new benchs

 

[Cerb]

Has it been slowing down, though, or just not speeding up? Kepler's bandwidth was not a strength, unlike GCN's (AFAIK, Maxwell is an unknown in those terms, right now), so if it hasn't regressed, it could have just been pretty well tapped out, already. I have not seen any regressions, but don't know for sure they haven't been happening, either.

 

[Headfoot]

i think u have to be refunded, but i m telling u there is no better option out there to buy with your money

i dont like amd cards and gtx 980 4gb sucks too. no good choices at all

edit: ah, and nvidia is killing kepler cards too, so no used good cards too

Yes, there is a better option. R9 290. You get to keep an additional $75 of your money too

 

[cmdrdredd]

Oh and here I thought the buying public bought their video cards on the assumption it would continue to display consistent performance for longer than the moment they buy them!

You know that isn't what I said, but I guess everyone just wants to play word games on here.

You don't buy computer hardware based on what might happen in the future. That is 100% folly. Always was and always will be. Futureproofing doesn't exist. Even the 980 will be heavily outclassed soon enough and be rendered too slow for certain games in certain resolutions.

 

[xthetenth]

That is true. I don't buy computer hardware based on what might happen in the future. If something looks like its performance might fall off sharply in the future, I won't buy it when other good options exist.

Futureproofing doesn't exist, but buying things that'll become outdated gracefully is a good idea.

 

[2is]

You know that isn't what I said, but I guess everyone just wants to play word games on here.

You don't buy computer hardware based on what might happen in the future. That is 100% folly. Always was and always will be. Futureproofing doesn't exist. Even the 980 will be heavily outclassed soon enough and be rendered too slow for certain games in certain resolutions.

If you take the term "future proof" literally, true enough, it doesn't exist. But we all know what is mean by it and to take it literally suggests that your argument has fallen flat and that's all you've got left. No one expects to buy a card and have it last forever, but people do want their investment to last as long as possible, these spec changes effectively means that the 970 will not last as long as the end user may have thought it would, based on the original specs. Now while the 970 doesn't come with any guarantee that it will last X long, it DID come with misleading and blatantly wrong specifications and from a legal perspective, end users do have recourse if they chose to take it that far.

As to Headfoot's comment is a valid one because your replies suggest that you don't not know what is implied by the term "future proof" or you're pretending you don't know. He just did a good job and showing how ridiculous some of your replies are, and it's good that you recognized that also.

 

[superxero044]

If anyone is having issues with Newegg with a replacement I would say just don't take no for an answer. I got on chat for the 3rd time and finally got them to issue an RMA. They are giving store credit (not cash) but whatever. I really wish they had handled this better but I'll be happy when its over.

 

[RussianSensation]

Not that I'd consider a Kepler today except at very low prices, but in what way are they killing it?

http://www.dailytech.com/Hot+Starcr...lizzard+Issues+Temporary+Fix/article19224.htm

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1176420

Kepler got Zerg rushed. :awe: