Should you be compensated for the GTX 970 issues and spec changes?

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SPBHM

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that's like less than 10% and most people are not going to request it? gg
 

SteveGrabowski

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I'll definitely make a claim for my $30. If the gimped VRAM was public knowledge in Dec 2014 when I bought mine I would have definitely gone with an R9 290x instead, probably MSI Lightning considering the deals on them. Though I wonder if you would have been able to get a 290x for $330 if the world didn't think the 970 was as close to the 980 as Nvidia said it was.
 

cytg111

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Ideally they should
1. take the card back
2. supply me with a card lives up to the specs or money back
3. compensate me for the time I use hazzling the card in and out of my build and the iterim time without said GPU. My time aint free.
 

Gikaseixas

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Except tential's post was not defending Nvidia...

Reading comprehension issues?
Silver is talking about your post

You seem to be the one with reading comprehension issues LOL

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.vodka

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Yeah it's quite sad to see the amount of apologists and defenders, why do you guys defend false advertisement? You are a consumer. You don't work for NV.

Some people here seem to like getting scammed. Boggles the mind.


I feel the infraction should have been stronger, for what it's cost them nV could very well go ahead and try to pull this crap off again in the future.
 

R0H1T

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Some people here seem to like getting scammed. Boggles the mind.


I feel the infraction should have been stronger, for what it's cost them nV could very well go ahead and try to pull this crap off again in the future.
IIRC this was settled out of court, just like the Intel antitrust case, so they got off lightly. If this had gone to a court & decided by a jury(?) they would've had to pay tens of millions, at the very least, just in the US.

Look at how VW is doing & that's before different states have brought their own case against them

Just to add further I've always felt that Nvidia did this intentionally knowing fully well they could get away with it & they did. There's no way you sell 1.75MB l2 cache with 8 less ROP's, from the original advertised count, & 0.5GB of partitioned VRAM without knowing about it. It's plain silly to assume Nvidia didn't know about it, right from the start & for anyone defending them still, well the less said about them the better.

From another forum ~
Let's put it this way, the advertising of the GTX970 as a '4GB' card since 4GB was seen as being a safe amount of VRAM to have ensured its success. Had it been advertised truthfully, perhaps it might not have sold as well. nVidia took a calculated risk, and imo, it paid off. Sure they'd had to pay for the legal fees + $30 for each of those involved in the suit (does that mean ALL GTX970 owners, or just those directly involved in the suit?). Regardless, nVidia'd laughed all the way to the bank, settling this Class action suit is mere pittance to them.
 
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Golgatha

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I own the card. I did know the relative performance bracket I was buying into as well, but the false specifications definitely had a play in my decision.

Right, I thought I was buying 7/8 of a 980 core with 4GB of usable video RAM. Instead I got a hack job.
 

Keysplayr

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If the 970 had that 64 ROP count then it would have performed in kind. Its not like nvidia took a 980, cut the shaders only, gave that to reviewers to bench, then sold a lesser performing 56 ROP 970 to the masses.
Anandtech was definitely not the best place to conduct this poll based on another poll taken here not too long ago.
 

therealnickdanger

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Whether they intentionally lied or made a mistake in their marketing department, it really doesn't matter since the card was not as advertised and had some related performance issues (that were almost entirely resolved). Other than that, it was heralded as the second coming of mid range gaming.

I bought two of them for $120 each, so I'm not going to complain about reducing that to $90 each. LOL
 

Gorbugal

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Anandtech was definitely not the best place to conduct this poll based on another poll taken here not too long ago.

Don't trust the results of any self-selecting poll, it's now the de facto "proof" to anyone so inclined that this forum is biased.
 

tential

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Except tential's post was not defending Nvidia...

Reading comprehension issues?
Not a single poster has directly addressed anything you've recently said in this thread.

When posters are doing this you have to ask why?
 

SPBHM

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If the 970 had that 64 ROP count then it would have performed in kind. Its not like nvidia took a 980, cut the shaders only, gave that to reviewers to bench, then sold a lesser performing 56 ROP 970 to the masses.
Anandtech was definitely not the best place to conduct this poll based on another poll taken here not too long ago.

so you can advertize false specs just fine if you never sell or test a card with those specs!?

64ROPs (real was 56) and 2MB l2 were false (real was 1.75); memory bandwidth (real was 224bit at best, never 256) AND size were fake

it's not just the 4GB not being usable at decent speeds, and in a sense the tests mislead consumers anyway, if the tests done at launch used games that didn't hit the 3.5GB limit, and because of the advertized 4GB consumers felt safe that when that happened in the future the card would act like other 4GB cards, which is not the case.
 

Keysplayr

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so you can advertize false specs just fine if you never sell or test a card with those specs!?

64ROPs (real was 56) and 2MB l2 were false (real was 1.75); memory bandwidth (real was 224bit at best, never 256) AND size were fake

it's not just the 4GB not being usable at decent speeds, and in a sense the tests mislead consumers anyway, if the tests done at launch used games that didn't hit the 3.5GB limit, and because of the advertized 4GB consumers felt safe that when that happened in the future the card would act like other 4GB cards, which is not the case.
Did performance decline after it was discovered that the specs were incorrect? You know, because Quantum physics says things change when they are observed and all.
The ONLY thing Nvidia should be held accountable for is the performance hit one gets when accessing that last 512MB of memory. And even that has been virtually iradicated via driver improvements.
You guys are just too rabid.
Romans in an ancient coliseum. Bring on the lions and such.
 
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iiiankiii

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Did performance decline after it was discovered that the specs were incorrect? You know, because Quantum physics says things change when they are observed and all.
The ONLY thing Nvidia should be held accountable for is the performance hit one gets when accessing that last 512MB of memory. And even that has been virtually iradicated via driver improvements.
You guys are just to rabid.
Romans in an ancient coliseum. Bring on the lions and such.

Doesn't matter. They lied. It's illegal. They should be punished for it. Pretty simple. Heck, performance can INCREASE after the discovery. It still doesn't matter. They lied. Punishment is well deserved. It shouldn't be taken lightly. It's the people's job to keep these companies in check.
 

faseman

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Did performance decline after it was discovered that the specs were incorrect? You know, because Quantum physics says things change when they are observed and all.
The ONLY thing Nvidia should be held accountable for is the performance hit one gets when accessing that last 512MB of memory. And even that has been virtually iradicated via driver improvements.
You guys are just to rabid.
Romans in an ancient coliseum. Bring on the lions and such.

Are you really going to defend nvidia lying to customers?

It's illegal, immoral, scummy, and many more things. Can't believe anyone would defend this.
 

Keysplayr

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Are you really going to defend nvidia lying to customers?

It's illegal, immoral, scummy, and many more things. Can't believe anyone would defend this.

I will spend only one breath on you.
I would not defend a liar. But I would need proof of a lie here and not just some engineer/driverteam/marketing department error.
Thats the problem.
It could be a lie. It could be a error. We know Nvidia said it was a miscommunication in house. What can be said for those who want Nvidia hung without truly knowing what happ..... sorry. Out of breath.
 

Keysplayr

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Doesn't matter. They lied. It's illegal. They should be punished for it. Pretty simple. Heck, performance can INCREASE after the discovery. It still doesn't matter. They lied. Punishment is well deserved. It shouldn't be taken lightly. It's the people's job to keep these companies in check.

Ravenous.


OK, guys, lay off each other.


esquared
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jackstar7

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I will spend only one breath on you.
I would not defend a liar. But I would need proof of a lie here and not just some engineer/driverteam/marketing department error.
Thats the problem.
It could be a lie. It could be a error. We know Nvidia said it was a miscommunication in house. What can be said for those who want Nvidia hung without truly knowing what happ..... sorry. Out of breath.

You're saying that the evidence doesn't point to this being malicious and devious. Is that right?

Not sure how else to describe marketing when it comes to this kind of discrepancy.

And, consider that they lost the case, so a judge didn't see it either.
 

Keysplayr

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Maybe the judge was an AMD stockholder... who knows

Do you have, or know of any evidence as you suggest?.
 

R0H1T

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Maybe the judge was an AMD stockholder... who knows

Do you have, or know of any evidence as you suggest?.
So I guess you can't see a lie till it's spelled out for you, glad to know you where you stand on this.
 

faseman

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Maybe the judge was an AMD stockholder... who knows

Do you have, or know of any evidence as you suggest?.

I think you've hit a new low. Why are you defending this illegal move by nvidia? People were sold a product that was not what it claimed to be. This is 100% true.




OK, guys, lay off each other.


esquared
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Keysplayr

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So I guess you can't see a lie till it's spelled out for you, glad to know you where you stand on this.

Is that your way of admitting that you dont really know either? I guess we are in the same boat on different ends then.
 
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