Should your boss be able to fire an employee for using birth control?

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berzerker60

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Think about this. Nowadays, all companies have to say is you don't fit their profile or their cultural norms and they can fire you. Say one stupid thing on Facebook and you are history.

This is the sad reality in at-will states, yep, which is why at-will is dumb. It doesn't have to be that way. It's possible to have a very functional society where bosses aren't absolute monarchs over their employees, even though every time you move away from that model you'll have the bosses say it's horrible and will lead to inevitable doom.
 

zinfamous

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not only no, but fuck no.

From me on the right... I agree that it is none of the employers business and they should not be able to fire anyone over their birth control choices or any other legal personal choices that doesn't impact the employer directly. I also think that the employer should not be required to pay for any such health choice if they choose not to provide these services.

this is why, and I agree with the other bit.

The republicans do not own any states.

Actually, that one dude Art Pope has essentially purchased the state of North Carolina over the last ~5 years.

So, there's that.
 

zinfamous

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No, it has nothing to do with that.

The bottom line is that you do not have a fundamental right to be employed and businesses do not exist for the sole purpose of employing you.

not that I disagree with this, but I'll keep that in mind the next time CEO McSchmucky uses the "I'm the job-creator!" schtick to justify his next request for corporate welfare, tax-dodging, outsourcing shenanigans.

 

SMOGZINN

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No, it has nothing to do with that.

The bottom line is that you do not have a fundamental right to be employed and businesses do not exist for the sole purpose of employing you.

Actually I would say you are wrong. Corporations are a social construct that come about from the will of the people. They are only able to exist by the will of a government that is in place solely to serve the greater good of the people. If corporations fail to do that basic function then they have no right to exist at all.
 

ivwshane

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The party of 'small government'. What a joke.

What you and all your liberal douches fail to understand is that the Republican Party is for small government, you guys just assume they are speaking about individuals and government. Nope! They mean small government for businesses.

They support fracking that causes earth quakes and contaminates peoples drinking water and minimizing any regulations that get in the way of a business that wants to do that.

Gun control, background checks and ammo restrictions?Not if it might hurt the businesses who sell guns and ammo!

Do they support universal health care coverage? Not if that means businesses will have to pay for better plans!

The right to fire you because you take birth control? Hell yeah they support that, business rights you know.

Do they support raising the minimum wage? Hell no! You think they will just let businesses eat into their profits?

Do they support an agency whose sole duty is to protect the consumer? Hell no they don't! How the hell do you expect businesses to use shady practices and prey on the down and out if they are being regulated?

Regulate wall street? Yeah, if you are a commie!
 

WHAMPOM

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What! Where! Geeezzz! Another law to do exactly what the framers say it doesn't?
 

Jaskalas

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Should your boss be able to fire an employee for using birth control?

Birth control, is that what you're calling abortion these days?
That's the premise for the house vote and thus this topic. Anti-abortion groups want to be pure of ideology and not be _forced_ into hiring those who have abortions.
 

cliftonite

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Birth control, is that what you're calling abortion these days?
That's the premise for the house vote and thus this topic. Anti-abortion groups want to be pure of ideology and not be _forced_ into hiring those who have abortions.

And how exactly would they find out if someone has had one?
 

Knowing

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And how exactly would they find out if someone has had one?

How indeed.

What if, stay with me here, a person who had an abortion knowingly joined an anti-abortion organization for the purpose of acting against its interests. If that organization couldn't fire the individual they would essentially be forced to subsidize the subversion of their own activity.

It stands to reason that if an individual's medical history is in fact private then the only way that an org could know about an abortion is if the individual tells them.
 

Humpy

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Unless you're in the business of selling access to the vagina it's probably not worth all of the complications involved with employing women. I mean really, who wants to deal with this stuff at work and then at home too?
 

pcgeek11

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Facebook. Twitter. If you don't think businesses have hooks into all these social media networks mining employee posts, you're fooling yourself.

That is why only Stupid People put all of their personal business on social media for the world to see. STUPID people deserve what they get in this regard.
 

ivwshane

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Birth control, is that what you're calling abortion these days?
That's the premise for the house vote and thus this topic. Anti-abortion groups want to be pure of ideology and not be _forced_ into hiring those who have abortions.

So once again, corporate "ideology" trumps people's rights. Thanks corporate apologist

Btw, your ideology ends where mine begin and vice versa, what happens in ones private life is their business not yours.
 
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cubby1223

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So once again, corporate "ideology" trumps people's rights. Thanks corporate apologist

Btw, your ideology ends where mine begin and vice versa, what happens in ones private life is their business not yours.

No.

If the activities in one's private life happen to be in direct conflict with the specific business or organization, they should have the right not to employ the person. Problem is laws have to be generic and applied uniformly across everyone. Can't write a law saying businesses in this specific industry may apply these rules while others may apply different rules for hiring. It's either all or none.

So do the world a favor and get off your fucking high horse.
 

ivwshane

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What you wish the law allows and what the law allows are two different things.

So do yourself a favor and pull your head out of your ass.


Laws have to be generic? What a fucking retarded thing to say.

No.

If the activities in one's private life happen to be in direct conflict with the specific business or organization, they should have the right not to employ the person. Problem is laws have to be generic and applied uniformly across everyone. Can't write a law saying businesses in this specific industry may apply these rules while others may apply different rules for hiring. It's either all or none.

So do the world a favor and get off your fucking high horse.
 
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How indeed.

What if, stay with me here, a person who had an abortion knowingly joined an anti-abortion organization for the purpose of acting against its interests. If that organization couldn't fire the individual they would essentially be forced to subsidize the subversion of their own activity.

It stands to reason that if an individual's medical history is in fact private then the only way that an org could know about an abortion is if the individual tells them.

I see what you are saying however if someone was really that against the employer I highly doubt they would be a good performing employee. Use the regular way of getting them out, observations and goals need to be met.
You're logic would make it ok to fire someone who wants to form a union in a non-union shop.
 
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That is why only Stupid People put all of their personal business on social media for the world to see. STUPID people deserve what they get in this regard.

All I can say is big data is coming, who knows what the future can bring and what kind of data will be accessible.
 

FerrelGeek

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The republicans do not own any states.

And there are some republican states that are doing reasonably well from an employment standpoint. Ohio is doing better than most wrt employment and they now have a surplus. Indiana is doing pretty well also.

I think it's stupid for a company to care what birth control an employee is using. It's the employee's business, especially if they are paying for said birth control.
 

ch33zw1z

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lol

Fear mongering ++

Meh, big data is here...it's just not being used in that way yet. From what I can tell, it's used for insurance fraud type situations, but I'm sure it's used in all sorts of ways.

Some employers do care what people post online.
 

FerrelGeek

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Facebook. Twitter. If you don't think businesses have hooks into all these social media networks mining employee posts, you're fooling yourself.

That is why only Stupid People put all of their personal business on social media for the world to see. STUPID people deserve what they get in this regard.

It's just plain crazy what some people post. I don't care how pro choice you are, why would anyone post 'Heading out for my abortion now!! Wish me luck everyone!!' Or 'Boy, the doc that gave me my abortion was totes adores!!!' Really???? In this day of allegedly wanting people with 'soft skills' and high emotional intelligence I could see an employer looking down on someone for having that poor of a filter on what they say. If you're going to blast something like that out to the world, it's not a stretch to think an employer would consider you a bit of a risk as far as keeping company information confidential when needed or just say something embarrassing at a very inappropriate time. Don't laugh, I had a former coworker who had a pretty poor filter and was reprimanded by our boss many times. He was a great guy, but his actions did limit his career.
 
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