shower thoughts..Wendy's serves up kiosk as wages go up

waggy

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http://www.investors.com/politics/policy/wendys-serves-up-kiosks-as-wages-rise-hits-fast-food-group/

aid that self-service ordering kiosks will be made available across its 6,000-plus restaurants in the second half of the year as minimum wage hikes and a tight labor market push up wages.

It will be up to franchisees whether to deploy the labor-saving technology, but Wendy’s President Todd Penegor did note that some franchise locations have been raising prices to offset wage hikes.

McDonald’s (MCD) has been testing self-service kiosks. But Wendy’s, which has been vocal about embracing labor-saving technology, is launching the biggest potential expansion.



/snip

so wendy's is doing 6k and the other fast food are going to fallow.

I was just thinking (hey gotta do something when mowing the yard) what if the whole $15 per hour BS was started by the makers of the kiosk? That they started this knowing the resturants won't pay them $15 and it would be cheaper to buy the kiosk?

hmmm


LOL ment this for off topic! mod can you move it since its not really politics or such..
 
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http://www.investors.com/politics/policy/wendys-serves-up-kiosks-as-wages-rise-hits-fast-food-group/

aid that self-service ordering kiosks will be made available across its 6,000-plus restaurants in the second half of the year as minimum wage hikes and a tight labor market push up wages.

It will be up to franchisees whether to deploy the labor-saving technology, but Wendy’s President Todd Penegor did note that some franchise locations have been raising prices to offset wage hikes.

McDonald’s (MCD) has been testing self-service kiosks. But Wendy’s, which has been vocal about embracing labor-saving technology, is launching the biggest potential expansion.



/snip

so wendy's is doing 6k and the other fast food are going to fallow.

I was just thinking (hey gotta do something when mowing the yard) what if the whole $15 per hour BS was started by the makers of the kiosk? That they started this knowing the resturants won't pay them $15 and it would be cheaper to buy the kiosk?

hmmm

Goddammit, I sell the tin-foil hats around here. Step off my kool-aid
 

VashHT

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Hmm I bet it won't work as well as they hope, I mean just look at the self checkout lanes in grocery stores and see how many people need help with it/fuck it up/take forever. We like to laugh at fast food employees being slow or stupid but personally I doubt people who frequent mcdonalds or wendys will do things any better on their own.
 

sm625

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I can already sense the liberal minds in action: "Better raise the minimum wage more to offset the loss of jobs."
 

alien42

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just look at the self checkout lanes in grocery stores and see how many people need help with it/fuck it up/take forever.

i use them all the time and very rarely are there any problems. the simple fact is that grocery stores are saving a good bit of money with self checkout lanes.
 

Moonbeam

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I'm waiting for Amazon to deliver my dinner, hot and ordered within the hour from a huge selection of dishes. Of course I do have nightmares about becoming a tube fed battery in some huge machine.
 

Moonbeam

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i use them all the time and very rarely are there any problems. the simple fact is that grocery stores are saving a good bit of money with self checkout lanes.

I know, I use those all the time to save myself the embarrassment of telling the checker when he or she ask if I found everything, that they apparently were out of elephant balls in mustard sauce. Once one of them opened the PA and boomed out, can somebody check the Asian section for elephant balls for the customer in the express lane.
 

Jaskalas

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I was just thinking (hey gotta do something when mowing the yard) what if the whole $15 per hour BS was started by the makers of the kiosk? That they started this knowing the resturants won't pay them $15 and it would be cheaper to buy the kiosk?

Or maybe it is being pushed by the people starving for $30k/year.
The growing creep of automation is a directly related issue, but people still need bare necessities.
 

alcoholbob

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Awesome. So we can become just like Europe then. Import 1-2 million immigrants a year the majority can go straight on welfare and vote for for more state. The problem with this fantasy is you can only keep the game going until the state collapses and the nation predictably splits like Yugoslavia.
 

K1052

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This was coming with or without min wage increases. Any service business that moves a lot of bodies through embraces automation wherever possible.
 

alien42

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Awesome. So we can become just like Europe then. Import 1-2 million immigrants a year the majority can go straight on welfare and vote for for more state. The problem with this fantasy is you can only keep the game going until the state collapses and the nation predictably splits like Yugoslavia.

anyone know wtf this rambling is about?

put down the bottle bob, you've clearly had too much to drink.
 

VashHT

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i use them all the time and very rarely are there any problems. the simple fact is that grocery stores are saving a good bit of money with self checkout lanes.

Really? Where do you shop then, because every time I go to Target or the rare occasion I go to wal mart, half the machines are down, you have a few people sitting there scratching their heads because something isn't working, or you have people with a huge basket slowly scanning stuff. Maybe they do actually save money, I've never looked into it, but the more popular grocery stores here don't even have them anymore.
 

Attic

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Kiosks are a great thing.

Do we really want to pick cotten for the rest of our lives?


Wish we did better at dealing with distributing the gain of opportunity/freedom/time that the kiosk will bring.
 
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Zaap

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There are a lot of crisscrossing issues in this.

First off- businesses complain about "higher wages" pushing for things like more illegal workers that they don't have to pay shit, and to turn back the clock 100's of years of labor laws and conditions for. We in this country LOVE to willingly fall for this for some stupid reason.

So in many cases, businesses complaining about higher wages and the inability to find workers (ie: workers who will work for shit wages and feel they have very few rights or ability to improve conditions) are completely full of shit and just exploiting our nations (INSANE) tendency to allow the labor laws to be completely skirted in the name of some bullshit sense of civil rights for people who aren't even citizens here.

On the other hand- the push toward automation of things like fast food may work in some ways, but it'll fail in others. I personally don't eat much fast food, but when I do I want to order it from a human being. Pay that person whatever the market for their job will bear, but I will not order food from a machine. Places like Sonic here in California that have automated ordering systems I find confusing and not worth my time.

So maybe companies will save some money moving to kiosks, but they'll 100% lose customers like me. I have no idea which way will balance into more profits, nor do I care that much, it's up to those companies to figure out for themselves.

In other cases, I can see where artificially increased wages will hurt businesses. Just jacking around with numbers (including that of a minimum wage) does not lead to higher purchasing power in the long run, and that's the bottom line. Purchasing power trumps a jacked-with wage all day, every day.

If $15 becomes the new $5 in terms of what it will buy (and over time, I believe it will- minimum wage IS minimum wage- there's nothing that says it will remain a higher tier wage than... minimum over a long term) then nothing has been accomplished except to make a lot more people into minimum wage workers. Higher dollar amounts are also harder to come up with than lower ones in the long term. For example: I can probably walk around my house and dredge up $5 from under sofa cushions and such. It'd be better for that $5 to actually be WORTH MORE, than to expect I could just as easily dredge up $15 that only holds the same value eventually.

That same effect scaled across large businesses and swaths of the economy just means printing more money that will have less value and spending power over time. We should work to increase the value of each dollar- not jack with meaningless amounts of dollars. But of course that's a MUCH harder sell for the average idiot, who will always tend to think of $15 being better than $5... because MOAR!
 

waggy

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Im all for automation.

I'm hearing impeared and such have a speech issue. So it's not uncommon to have a issue when ordering.

Being able to go up to the machine and do in #2 no pickle with fries etc. is great.
 

child of wonder

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This is already how I order my pizza online. Just input what I want and wait for it to be delivered. Sounds good to me.
 

Oyeve

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First off, yes it's politics.

Second, processes get automated no matter what the minimum wage is. The cotton gin was invented when the cost of labor in the South was zero.

Really? Zero? Slaves were very expensive to purchase then, plus, you had to feed them. In fact, it was a pretty high cost.
 

Moonbeam

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There are a lot of crisscrossing issues in this.

First off- businesses complain about "higher wages" pushing for things like more illegal workers that they don't have to pay shit, and to turn back the clock 100's of years of labor laws and conditions for. We in this country LOVE to willingly fall for this for some stupid reason.

So in many cases, businesses complaining about higher wages and the inability to find workers (ie: workers who will work for shit wages and feel they have very few rights or ability to improve conditions) are completely full of shit and just exploiting our nations (INSANE) tendency to allow the labor laws to be completely skirted in the name of some bullshit sense of civil rights for people who aren't even citizens here.

On the other hand- the push toward automation of things like fast food may work in some ways, but it'll fail in others. I personally don't eat much fast food, but when I do I want to order it from a human being. Pay that person whatever the market for their job will bear, but I will not order food from a machine. Places like Sonic here in California that have automated ordering systems I find confusing and not worth my time.

So maybe companies will save some money moving to kiosks, but they'll 100% lose customers like me. I have no idea which way will balance into more profits, nor do I care that much, it's up to those companies to figure out for themselves.

In other cases, I can see where artificially increased wages will hurt businesses. Just jacking around with numbers (including that of a minimum wage) does not lead to higher purchasing power in the long run, and that's the bottom line. Purchasing power trumps a jacked-with wage all day, every day.

If $15 becomes the new $5 in terms of what it will buy (and over time, I believe it will- minimum wage IS minimum wage- there's nothing that says it will remain a higher tier wage than... minimum over a long term) then nothing has been accomplished except to make a lot more people into minimum wage workers. Higher dollar amounts are also harder to come up with than lower ones in the long term. For example: I can probably walk around my house and dredge up $5 from under sofa cushions and such. It'd be better for that $5 to actually be WORTH MORE, than to expect I could just as easily dredge up $15 that only holds the same value eventually.

That same effect scaled across large businesses and swaths of the economy just means printing more money that will have less value and spending power over time. We should work to increase the value of each dollar- not jack with meaningless amounts of dollars. But of course that's a MUCH harder sell for the average idiot, who will always tend to think of $15 being better than $5... because MOAR!

Gosh, it occurs to me that if we tax the rich who make our laws, oh wait I see a problem. It occurs to me that if in some fairy land we could tax the rich heavily, say 100% over several million a year, they would work tirelessly to prevent and reverse inflation. Imagine an income of 2 million a year 100 years ago.
 

Jimzz

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When was the last time any of you were in a Fast Food place? Count how many are working and then subtract the number that ONLY work the register.

At most its 1-2 out of 8-15 people. Even then you will still have to have at least 1 person to help idiots that can't figure it out. Like someone else said watch people at self checkout at grocery stores and now ask them to push more buttons with more options.
 

Zaap

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Who exactly has a problem using self-checkouts at grocery stores? Even the elderly use them with relative ease at the grocery stores I go to. You only need one person there to deal with any hangups.

The only reasons I don't see them ever fully replacing people at registers is they just don't make any sense for people buying a LOT of groceries. It'd take literally FOREVER for people with big shopping carts full of stuff to self-checkout- the lines would be insane.

But they make sense so that people with just a small basketfull or a couple of items can get in and out quickly, without waiting in the same line with people with carts full.

For me, that's the main thing they're good for- I used to consider it ridiculous to think "Oh, I'll just pop in the grocery store for a couple items because Im right here. Even the "10 items or less" lines are always packed with morons that can't count the 35 items they have, and I knew it'd just be a waste of time.

Since bringing in the self-checkouts, I'd wager the stores have seen a huge increase in people coming in just to pick up 2 or 3 items they forgot otherwise. But they aren't for doing your big weekly grocery shopping. Also, you can't buy booze through them, so you'll always need a human being to card.
 

Zaap

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Gosh, it occurs to me that if we tax the rich who make our laws, oh wait I see a problem. It occurs to me that if in some fairy land we could tax the rich heavily, say 100% over several million a year, they would work tirelessly to prevent and reverse inflation. Imagine an income of 2 million a year 100 years ago.

Your desire to punish rich people has nothing to do with fighting inflation.

Also it's funny to me, people who have no problem with the government spending so much its hopelessly indebted to people with money, turning around and punishing the hand that feeds them. The day you start pushing for responsible spending and government operating within level so fiscal sanity- get back to me on them turning on their benefactors.

Tax-and-spend types complaining about big money running government are akin to people expecting crack addicts to regulate crack dealers.
 
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