Too many people like to form opinions on topics that they have absolutely zero knowledge or experience with.
Too many people like to form opinions on topics that they have absolutely zero knowledge or experience with.Exactly correct. Thank you for your input seriously. On the farm you are taught from a very early age where your food comes from and how to properly handle a firearm to gather food. It is a tool just like a plow.
I wonder how many in this forum have ever helped plow a field with a mule. I have.
Exactly correct. Thank you for your input seriously. On the farm you are taught from a very early age where your food comes from and how to properly handle a firearm to gather food. It is a tool just like a plow.
I wonder how many in this forum have ever helped plow a field with a mule. I have.
youre such an anti-american, anti-2a jerk.Thank you, be aware the point goes both ways. I'm not a ban all guns guy. I am for consistent background checks, States being able to decide what is appropriate and States with easy gun laws or people who sell guns to anyone can't allow their guns to travel out of State. I have no idea how that can be done but that is what needs to happen.
I get that rifle, shotgun and stuff need to be kept to keep vermin away or worse a dangerous bear but I have trouble seeing the need for an AR15 with a bump stock and 88 round drum to do those jobs.
youre such an anti-american, anti-2a jerk.
In Geeks defense, he doesn't appear to be for much of what I noted, I believe I remember him saying a 10-15 round magazine limit wasn't unreasonable. Sound like he thinks guns without a serial number are a good thing either.
I think you're splitting hairs that don't need to be split. I'm not saying everyone's idiot cousin Tito who took metal shop for one semester before he dropped out of high school and now works at Jiffy Lube would be able to knock out a sear assembly in an hour. But for someone with machine tools knowledge (not that hard to get, or self-train if you had the time and patience) I think you'd agree that making your own firearms parts involves no true challenges from an engineering, materials science, or design standpoints. The technology of firearms is pretty mature and well documented, it's not like folks are trying to build a stealth fighter or nuclear submarine propulsion system; a firearm is a reasonably simple system of mechanical parts. And as others have pointed out, the value proposition of making your own firearm parts is almost certainly only going to appeal to a hobbyist and not someone looking to engage in nefarious activities. Just like the dude in this video is likely perfectly capable of building his own firearm, he's almost certainly going to just buy one at the local FFL instead just like most people would just buy a $5 digital alarm clock from Amazon rather than spend 1k hours building a bespoke clock.
When current regulations were formulated back in 1968 today's tech was utterly unanticipated
Neither was the internet that many rightwing sites or Russians use to dispense their propaganda, so lets censor/ban/regulate parts of the internet.
Only a fully trained & equipped gunsmith could create firearms from scratch. It took a lot of time, skill & equipment.
This deaf man with no tongue making guns with his bare hands must be a miracle worker then. @4:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FinRqCocwGE
The Gun Markets of Pakistan
You obfuscate magnificently. And you really don't comprehend just how complex it is to make an 80% AR lower, either.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/10/17/machining-ar-15-forged-lower-receiver-forging/
The "value proposition" in creating one of them from scratch is that it's impossible w/o extensive tooling, well beyond the capabilities of all but the most sophisticated hobbyists.
Okay fine a firearm is Excalibur which can only be forged in the fires of Mount Doom. Honestly I don't even know what you're really arguing anymore. Buying firearm components is legal. Buying 80% lowers is legal. Making your own non-serialized firearm is legal. Free CAD files are readily available if you want to make your own firearm completely from scratch. Are you just moaning about that state of affairs, or are you wanting to make one of those current facts no longer legal, or do you just like to hear yourself think about how difficult you think it is to manufacture firearms parts? Most of us including me have already agreed that most people would just purchase either complete guns or component parts for reasons of time, cost, and convenience.
I already said what I wanted, that 80% lowers should be serialized & that buyers must pass a background check. That shouldn't detract from the satisfaction of finishing it yourself unless that's not really the point of the exercise in the first place.
I really don't think the parts these sites sell are a big deal. Typical over the top lefty behavior over something that scares them.
I figure it's all about irrational fear of the mythical gun grabbers & sagebrush revolution fantasies.
Why else would anybody want a non-serialized AR, anyway? What's the point of it?
Because its a legal activity and many people like to push the bounds of the law each and every day. I understand that a person might acquire one for illegal purposes and when they break the law that is on them and they should be punished accordingly. Rattlesnakes live in the woods and are known to bite people so should we engage in a rattlesnake roundup everywhere to kill them off?Why else would anybody want a non-serialized AR, anyway? What's the point of it?
If we did that, then we would have a bigger problem with rodents then we do.Because its a legal activity and many people like to push the bounds of the law each and every day. I understand that a person might acquire one for illegal purposes and when they break the law that is on them and they should be punished accordingly. Rattlesnakes live in the woods and are known to bite people so should we engage in a rattlesnake roundup everywhere to kill them off?
Because its a legal activity and many people like to push the bounds of the law each and every day. I understand that a person might acquire one for illegal purposes and when they break the law that is on them and they should be punished accordingly. Rattlesnakes live in the woods and are known to bite people so should we engage in a rattlesnake roundup everywhere to kill them off?
Good question but I do know that they fit in a deep fryer just fine.I have just one question do these snakes smoke?
Because its a legal activity and many people like to push the bounds of the law each and every day. I understand that a person might acquire one for illegal purposes and when they break the law that is on them and they should be punished accordingly. Rattlesnakes live in the woods and are known to bite people so should we engage in a rattlesnake roundup everywhere to kill them off?
Lots of really bad information in this thread. But it isn't like the website is helping either.
They are not selling complete firearms. They are selling receivers that do not have a serial number. People prefer to do this because if they are creating a gun from scratch they will want to put "00001" or some other sort of serial number on it.
Now, to examine how somebody could commit a crime, or a mass murder with an "unserialized" firearm using a website like Ghostgun.com they would have to do the following.
1. Purchase a ghostgun receiver that has no serial.
2. Purchase a serialized firearm with the parts that make it a firearm.
3. Replace the parts from the serialized firearm and put it into the ghostgun receiver without a serial number... (this part is a crime) - this would be spending 500+ dollars to do the same thing a metal file would do....
4. Commit a crime or mass murder.
5. Ghostgun gets blamed for making criminals spend $500 on something a metal file can do. Gets sued, but hopefully makes a ton of money in the process by stealing $500+ dollars per weapon from unwitting criminals or mass murderers who we never properly introduced to a metal file.
edit: this would be the case for a glock.
AR-15s you can take an unmilled lower and mill the portions out of it to make an unregistered firearm while still being legal.
https://www.80-lower.com/blogs/80-lower-blog/how-to-build-your-own-ar-15-legally-and-unregistered
I get it and I agree I don't think it's a big problem either. I do have to ask why is it a big deal to ask the website/manufacturer of the receivers to add a serial number?
They would only have to add a serial number if they are selling you a firearm. They technically are not selling you a firearm, so there is no need.
What's the rationale about wanting a non-serialized firearm?
Multiple reasons.
1. Wanting to put your own custom serial number on it.
2. Wanting to own a firearm for legal purposes without being added to a list. Same rationale for people using cash instead of credit, VPNs, window blinds, or a general liking of privacy.
3. Wanting to obtain a firearm for "legal" use, despite being able to legally obtain one.
4. Wanting to obtain a firearm for "illegal" use, while not being able to legally obtain one.
For what it is worth, these have been around for a very, very long time. The truth of the matter is that when we are talking about violence, we really do rely on the human nature of not wanting to hurt others to keep us safe.
Why hasn't ISIS planted a group of 25-30 people just tasked with making AR-15's out of 80% receivers? Then outfitting a group of 1-2k militants to wipe out an entire NFL stadium?
What are we doing to stop that from happening?