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IronWing

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Worse, there are legal immigrant dreamers, people on work visas who brought their kids to this country. There's no DACA for their kids. When they reach 21 they either get a visa themselves or deported. If they get a visa, they then have to join a decades long queue.

Stupid legal immigrants for following the rules, just show up illegal and you'll get a path to citizenship on a platter.
Which has nothing to do with the current inability of the Republicans to pass a budget or even a continuing resolution. The Republicans can pass a bill anytime, w/o DACA and w/o Democrats. Yet, they want the Dems to bail their fool asses out and now are trying to blame the Dems for their own incompetence and mean-spirited stupidity.
 
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nixium

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Which has nothing to do with the current inability of the Republicans to pass a budget or even a continuing resolution. The Republicans can pass a bill anytime, w/o DACA and w/o Democrats. Yet, they want the Dems to bail their fool asses out and now are trying to blame the Dems for their own incompetence and mean-spirited stupidity.

I don't get your point; They need 60 votes to pass this budget, if they could with 51 why would there by a threat of a shutdown?
 

IronWing

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I don't get your point; They need 60 votes to pass this budget, if they could with 51 why would there by a threat of a shutdown?
They can change the 60 vote requirement and have done so in the past any time it suited the Republican leadership. This is 100% a Republican problem. The party is incapable of governing.
 
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IronWing

No Lifer
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The biggest problem is they refuse to prosecute businesses and people that employ illegal immigrants
I agree that employers need their asses nailed to the wall and held liable for the social costs of illegal labor.

Nope, Republicans have a history of ditching the filibuster rule when it suits their petty agenda. The Republicans are incapable of governing.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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The Republicans want to fund CHIP for 6 years, the Democrats refuse.

To turn around the "DACA shouldn't be on the CR" argument CHIP could have very easily been funded as a stand alone measure months ago. The reason it's on the CR is purely political so arguments that the CR shouldn't be political from Rs are entirely disingenuous.
 
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To turn around the "DACA shouldn't be on the CR" argument CHIP could have very easily been funded as a stand alone measure months ago. The reason it's on the CR is purely political so arguments that the CR shouldn't be political from Rs are entirely disingenuous.
I agree, CHIP should be a stand alone measure. As should DACA, but that is not the way things are done in the swamp.
 

senseamp

Lifer
Feb 5, 2006
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Republicans can't even perform basic government functions, despite having full control.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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So, will not granting them legal status make them more exploitable, or less?
It would make the current population less exploitable and also perhaps less employable if we do nothing to prevent a subsequent wave of exploitable labor.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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To turn around the "DACA shouldn't be on the CR" argument CHIP could have very easily been funded as a stand alone measure months ago. The reason it's on the CR is purely political so arguments that the CR shouldn't be political from Rs are entirely disingenuous.
Republicans, disingenuous? You don't say.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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It would make the current population less exploitable and also perhaps less employable if we do nothing to prevent a subsequent wave of exploitable labor.

So making them illegal makes them less exploitable? Wow...
 

interchange

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Republicans are playing kick the can with a DACA replacement. They even made promises to their own that want to protect dreamers (Flake). Really it wasn't that awful. Until Trump screwed over the bipartisan effort he guaranteed he'd sign, there was enough willing to get it done in a timely fashion. Now I imagine if a shutdown can't be avoided without it, Democrats are going to end up screwed at the 11th hour (March) needing to make big concessions to protect who they can.
 
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