Hiding, or waiting to have control of the levers to shape the conversation?The Republicans have been hiding from that conversation for over a decade.
I doubt that Repub voters want a shutdown to deny DACA, either, so it comes right back on the GOP.
I mean, how badly do their voters want to see these people get screwed? Not very badly at all.
Hiding.Hiding, or waiting to have control of the levers to shape the conversation?
Trump is expanding DACA to provide paths to citizenship for 1.8M people. He is asking for stronger controls and the symbolic victory of his wall in return. That is a give and a take. You were arguing for equity. I was saying the minority party gets less in the deal because, well, they are the minority party.
You’re just repeating yourself. I’m not arguing for equity, I’m saying that ‘giving’ something Republicans already support isn’t giving anything.
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Democrats shut the government down because it wasn't on the budget. They demanded DACA. They get DACA.
Still, it's up to Republicans in Congress to put forth the bill for a vote. And it's up to Democrats not to shut it down again. We'll see how it plays out.
It is once the President decides to put it in play as a bargaining chip.You’re just repeating yourself. I’m not arguing for equity, I’m saying that ‘giving’ something Republicans already support isn’t giving anything.
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I mean, I've seen a lot support DACA, but many indicated they don't want them able to vote, etc. And then those people seem much more conflicted on it, while the more hardline Trumpsters are all for deporting their butts out. Trump basically did well in the primaries with the smack talk on immigration. That's why I see DACA as a give from Republicans even if it's indeed small.
It is once the President decides to put it in play as a bargaining chip.
Democrats shut the government down because it wasn't on the budget. They demanded DACA. They get DACA.
Still, it's up to Republicans in Congress to put forth the bill for a vote. And it's up to Democrats not to shut it down again. We'll see how it plays out.
You’re just repeating yourself. I’m not arguing for equity, I’m saying that ‘giving’ something Republicans already support isn’t giving anything.
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Sounds like how Obamacare negotiations were handled on both sides and we know how that turned out.
The Democrats shutting down the government over something the majority of Americans don't perceive as tied to the budget isn't bargaining.The president bargaining for a thing he already wants isn’t bargaining.
Jesus.
Sounds like how Obamacare negotiations were handled on both sides and we know how that turned out.
The Democrats shutting down the government over something the majority of Americans don't perceive as tied to the budget isn't bargaining.
Christ
This means there are Democrat strategists who, as I am typing this, pouring over polling data and making the following determination: do we energize the "resistance" or do we appeal to swing voters.Does this mean you agree with me now that the republicans aren’t trying to bargain?
This means there are Democrat strategists who, as I am typing this, pouring over polling data and making the following determination: do we energize the "resistance" or do we appeal to swing voters.
It's not like anyone is negotiating from a position of principle.
You’re just repeating yourself. I’m not arguing for equity, I’m saying that ‘giving’ something Republicans already support isn’t giving anything.
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Maybe the establishment supports amnesty, but the Republican base? Here's a full explanation and video. Step into their world.
The Ingraham Angle 1/26/18: Immigration Segment.
An overwhelming majority of republicans support legalizing DACA recipients.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/most-americans-support-daca-but-oppose-border-wall-cbs-news-poll/
That is somewhat surprising. The Republicans I know personally share Ingraham's view. They generally take the harshest stance possible on illegal immigration. Regardless, and let's say you have a point that many Republicans support DACA, do they support it over a government shutdown? No.
That is somewhat surprising. The Republicans I know personally share Ingraham's view. They generally take the harshest stance possible on illegal immigration. Regardless, and let's say you have a point that many Republicans support DACA, do they support it over a government shutdown? No.
Is there more opposition on the Republican side than your polling suggests?
Reality sets in that DACA deal might not get done
The proposal was panned by the left and the right. Groups who support restricting immigration slammed it as "amnesty." Democratic lawmakers and immigration advocates rejected it as a "massive, cruel and family-punishing overhaul of our current legal immigration system," as New Jersey's Sen. Bob Menendez phrased it.
I said from the beginning that no deal was likely for precisely this reason. The extreme right controls the agenda for the Republican Party as long as they insist on passing measures with only Republican votes.
That being said, you shouldn't confuse the opinion of extreme right nativist groups with the opinion of the average Republican. Same with plenty of other issues like universal background checks. They are overwhelmingly supported by Republican voters but go nowhere because the extreme right hates them.