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OK then, define temporary for me.
there until racist says no.
OK then, define temporary for me.
So the justification for throwing them out 17 years into it is a technical point of the law? That's it? Just because we can then we should do it?
The Salvadorans & the Dreamers are innocent people who have done nothing wrong. They love this country in ways that only an immigrant can really understand. We can easily fold them right in to the greatness of America. Or we can be petty & vindictive chickenshits. Take your pick
It isn't a technical point, it is in fact the way the deal was written and should be adhered to. It should have been done by the past presidents who were negligent in their duty. It isn't like they didn't know their status was temporary.
I am open to compromise for the persons that have been here for 17 years, as long as the TPS is fixed to truly stick to a temporary protection status to help people in a time of need is only temporary and not used as a back door around the normal route of entry.
You are grossly misrepresenting the choices.
You do know that only the AG of the U.S. can legally cancel the TPS status of anyone, right? And that's only done by the AG certifying the country(ies) from which the TPS refugees came from as no longer being dangerous and/or the country's recovered from the natural disaster/whatever that allowed TPS status to be granted in the first place. And any changes have to be by supermajority vote in the Senate.
Sec. 302 of this: https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/eoir/legacy/2009/03/04/IMMACT1990.pdf
Kinda doing it incorrectly, the Trump admin. is.
It's all in the 1990 Imm. Act, linked above, which started the TPS program, signed into law by George Bush.
It has nothing to do with race.
Uhhhhhh...this was added by the House GOP to try and scare up some Democratic votes for the shutdown avoiding CR. It's like I can literally hear Paul Ryan's head repeatedly slamming into his desk from here.
This strategy actually works when you have the biggest mouth.Fire, Ready, Don't bother aiming, and keep firing, never stop firing
What? You're trying to blackmail me into changing a political opinion? Go screw yourself.
They (the Democratic posters) will just continue to lie about it, obfuscate and then lie again. It's what they do and who they are.Like I said Temporary.
For purposes of this section, the initial period of designation of a foreign state (or
part thereof) under paragraph (1) is the period, specified by the Attorney General,
of not less than 6 months and not more than 18 months.
"(3) Periodic review, terminations, and extensions of designations.--
"(A) Periodic review.--At least 60 days before end of the initial period of
designation, and any extended period of designation, of a foreign state (or part
thereof) under this section the Attorney General, after consultation with
appropriate agencies of the Government, shall review the conditions in the
foreign state (or part of such foreign state) for which a designation is in effect
under this subsection and shall determine whether the conditions for such
designation under this subsection continue to be met. The Attorney General shall
provide on a timely basis for the publication of notice of each such determination
(including the basis for the determination, and, in the case of an affirmative
determination, the period of extension of designation under subparagraph (C)) in
the Federal Register.
"(B) Termination of designation.--If the Attorney General determines under
subparagraph (A) that a foreign state (or part of such foreign state) no longer
continues to meet the conditions for designation under paragraph (1), the
Attorney General shall terminate the designation by publishing notice in the
Federal Register of the determination under this subparagraph (including the
basis for the determination). Such termination is effective in accordance with
subsection (d)(3), but shall not be effective earl ier than 60 days after the date
the notice is published or, if later, the expiration of the most recent previous
extension under subparagraph (C).
"(C) Extension of designation.--If the Attorney General does not determine
under subparagraph (A) that a foreign state (or part of such foreign state) no
longer meets the conditions for designation under paragraph (1), the period of
designation of the foreign state is extended for an additional period of 6 months
(or, in the discretion of the Attorney General, a period of 12 or 18 months).
It isn't a technical point, it is in fact the way the deal was written and should be adhered to. It should have been done by the past presidents who were negligent in their duty. It isn't like they didn't know their status was temporary.
I am open to compromise for the persons that have been here for 17 years, as long as the TPS is fixed to truly stick to a temporary protection status to help people in a time of need is only temporary and not used as a back door around the normal route of entry.
You are grossly misrepresenting the choices.
Yet you get upset when we tag you as immoral, cruel, deplorables. It's who you are. It's what Trumpublicans do and who they are.They (the Democratic posters) will just continue to lie about it, obfuscate and then lie again. It's what they do and who they are.
We may have run tajjy off. Not for long I'm sure but watch... He'll show us what "temporary" means... Do we think he'll have time to establish a life and raise a family in the time that he's away?
First, the Goodlatte amnesty provision is extremely narrow.
It would only allow illegal immigrants who currently have “deferred action on the basis of being brought to the U.S. as minors [to] get a 3-year renewable legal status allowing them to work and travel overseas.” In other words, there would be no permanent status or path to citizenship
So, the proposal just kicks the can down the road three years & solves nothing. The maudlin pandering to the rule of law is also quite cute. The GOP has no interest in creating & funding the kind of immigration Gestapo it would take to deport ~11M illegals & TPS residents in this country. The proposition is absurd. So, if we're not going to do that, what else can be done to restore the rule of law they claim to care about so much? Think really, really hard now...
Goodlatte is actually much worse...it establishes a permanent underclass...second-class "Americans" without a clear path to citizenship. Basically, we'll be happy to take your tax dollars, but we'll be damned if you have full legal rights or the right to vote!
Goodlatte is actually much worse...it establishes a permanent underclass...second-class "Americans" without a clear path to citizenship. Basically, we'll be happy to take your tax dollars, but we'll be damned if you have full legal rights or the right to vote!
I'm sure we would be having the same conversation if it was a bunch of Canadians on TPS.
Absolutely. They encourage illegals and criminal immigrants and spit in the face of the honest and ethical immigrants that try to follow the legal pathways.So basically what Dems want with the DACA program. In public for voters they say no increased immigration quotas which basically tells would-be immigrants that seeking to come through legal channels is for suckers. Then giving a wink and nod to those who are here via elicit channels and when talking to immigrant communities with the whispered "now just stay out sight for a few years until we can get you legalized."
So basically what Dems want with the DACA program. In public for voters they say no increased immigration quotas which basically tells would-be immigrants that seeking to come through legal channels is for suckers. Then giving a wink and nod to those who are here via elicit channels and when talking to immigrant communities with the whispered "now just stay out sight for a few years until we can get you legalized."
I am open to compromise for the persons that have been here for 17 years, as long as the TPS is fixed to truly stick to a temporary protection status to help people in a time of need is only temporary and not used as a back door around the normal route of entry.
Absolutely. They encourage illegals and criminal immigrants and spit in the face of the honest and ethical immigrants that try to follow the legal pathways.
So, conspiracy theory, right?
Keeping immigration quotas low is a concession to the GOP. It's what they want. You'll play Hell finding any GOP'ers who say any differently. Pinning that on Dems is dishonest.
The whole GOP approach is utterly dishonest, playing on xenophobia & a false sense of self righteousness. It completely ignores reality & offers no solutions at all.
Reality is that there are a few 100K people in this country under temporary visas who've been here more than a decade. There are at least 800K Dreamers. There are ~11M people here w/o authorization of any kind. Many of them have American citizen dependents.
You know- facts. There are basically three ways to deal with those facts.
1. Continue much as we have been.
2. Fund an immigration Gestapo to deport them.
3. Create some sort of amnesty.
You can muddy that up all you want w/ walls, border security, immigration quotas & whatever but those facts & those choices define reality.
The GOP obviously intends to do nothing at all because it's not a practical matter to them. They'll just let DACA & TPS visas expire, make 'em all illegal, then enforce it all in their usual capricious fashion. It's a great perma-issue, red meat for the chumps. It also establishes a workforce that has no rights, the GOP model for all of us.