Shutdown over?

[bshole]

If you forced me to guess, I'd say we're going to shut down.

LoL, they control everything and they can't keep it up? Perhaps somebody should ship them some Viagra.

 

[Ken g6]

I have an idea: They should see if they can line up enough bipartisan votes for the original bill to get a veto override. Dems would love that, I'm sure, and it seems like Republicans in Congress need to put the President in his place.

 

[Younigue]

The laws were passed to be TEMPORARY! Everyone knew it when they voted on it, to change it after the fact is a damn farce.

It may have been temporary but when people with temporary status establish themselves while bureaucracy trudges along at a snail's pace those people should be accepted as naturalized citizens (it is through no fault of their own that government didn't get its shit together to make "temporary", temporary!) You're a cruel mofo to not understand that.

Lo and behold now that they are trying to address this issue THEY STILL DON'T HAVE A DECENT SOLUTION ... After all these years while all these people got on with their lives and became Americans even without a piece of paper proclaiming it. Stop being a dick TAJJY!

 

[Jaskalas]

there are more then a few teahadist congressmen that want the entire thing to blow up.

Tea Party only matters if most the Democrats are in agreement with them.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Maybe Santa Trump will bring you a box of grenades this year.

Me too, that would be freaking awesome!

 

[imported_tajmahal]

You're a monster because you want to throw hand grenades at children...

That's pretty f'd up man

A lie as we all know, but cute.

 

[JSt0rm]

Tea Party only matters if most the Democrats are in agreement with them.

The dems were very clear that daca protections must be part of this if the republicans want them to vote. Otherwise the repiblicans have enough votes to pass the spending. If they cant its their problem.

 

[Younigue]

Me too, that would be freaking awesome!

Pig.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Pig.

Bacon?

 

[Younigue]

A lie as we all know, but cute.

It's not a lie. You absolutely condone lobbing grenades at Mexican children <---- to clarify, they still qualify as [human] children even if they're Mexican children, comprender?

 

[Younigue]

Bacon?

Well, killing is your thing. Translate it how you like, doesn't change the fact that your mind is a tainted foul thing.

 

[Younigue]

I read something that pleased me. If the there is a shut down, Mueller's investigation won't be paused.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

It's not a lie. You absolutely condone lobbing grenades at Mexican children <---- to clarify, they still qualify as [human] children even if they're Mexican children, comprender?

I'm sure you can link to where I said I condoned grenading Mexican children?
You can't I never said it and it's bullshit.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Well, killing is your thing. Translate it how you like, doesn't change the fact that your mind is a tainted foul thing.

I never said it and unless you can produce the actual link where I said it we can all be assured you're a liar.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Shut it down.. Trumps ratings should skyrocket in the downtime.. Remember the buck stops at the president.. Let it burn until someone scrambles and impeaches or pulls the 25th..

I've never been one for a deliberate shutdown but this time around let the barn burn to the ground.

 

[repoman0]

I never said it and unless you can produce the actual link where I said it we can all be assured you're a liar.

Here it is, fucktard boy. Alzheimer's acting up again?

1. You toss a grenade over the wall and into the tunnel they're digging.
2. You shoot them off the wall as they climb it.
3. You charge Mexico $10,000.00 return fee. They then stop it on their side.

 

[interchange]

The laws were passed to be TEMPORARY! Everyone knew it when they voted on it, to change it after the fact is a damn farce.

Instituting a temporary measure itself does not mean that the intention is for things to go back to the way they were once the temporary period expires. "Temporary" says nothing about their intent for the future other than indicating that they are not committed to something being permanent at the time.

In any event, DACA was instituted through executive action on behalf of President Obama. There is no congressional legislation supporting it, and it was established not even by executive order but rather a memo through the Department of Homeland Security in 2012. It really was simply institution of federal policy on who to apply prosecutorial discretion for. Obama instituted extension of the policy in 2014 which was later stopped via injunction from legal challenges that was eventually heard by the Supreme Court resulting in 4-4 split decision keeping the injunction in place. Trump via executive action stopped the expansion policies but kept the original DACA in place pending legislative action.

As far as I can tell, the word "temporary" was applied by ICE to mark those who have had applications granted, and I'm not sure that it connotes anything as to whether the policy was intended to be temporary. Per DACA, the status needs to be reapplied for every 2 years, thus the protection is temporary per design of the policy, but nothing about its text indicates that Obama intended to stop the program, and his actions certainly indicate his intent to expand it.

Apart from that, some (permanent) legislative version of this kind of protection has been in existence since 2001 in the form of the DREAM Act, for which DACA recipients get the name Dreamers. However, the DREAM Act has never been passed, nor has any legislative decision on this problem been passed.

Congress has been trying to address these people since well before Obama instituted enforcement changes at the policy level. The intent for Congress to come to a legislative decision has existed before Obama's presidency. The cooperation that occurred in order to fund the government, CHIP, and get the tax bill through on the backdrop of promises to pass a legislative solution to these people has no actual connection to Obama's policy, and certainly cannot be invalidated by the use of the word "temporary". Calling it a "DACA fix" is an extreme misnomer that has been repeatedly unchallenged by the media. There is nothing "broken" about DACA. The lack of legislative direction on handling childhood arrivals is a Congressional failure predating DACA by 11 years.

@imported_tajmahal -- you need to get out of your conservative media echo chamber. I'm not saying that you ought to switch sides or change position on policies. I'm merely pointing out that your objection here is another instance of conservative media intentionally misrepresenting things in order to offer compelling but completely invalid explanations for things. Surely you can agree that your positions ought to be consistent with facts. Some things cannot have a clearly established factual basis, and I have no problem with you expressing opinion that differs from mine or others in those cases.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Here it is, fucktard boy. Alzheimer's acting up again?

Yes, where is the part about children? Not there, never was there, never will be there.

 

[Younigue]

I'm sure you can link to where I said I condoned grenading Mexican children?
You can't I never said it and it's bullshit.

You said something to the affect of throwing grenades in to tunnels and you were completely unfazed that there would likely be children in those tunnels. But no, I won't look it up. I remember it just fine. It sticks out because it was appalling.

 

[Younigue]

I never said it and unless you can produce the actual link where I said it we can all be assured you're a liar.

HOW VERY DARE YOU!

 

[Younigue]

Here it is, fucktard boy. Alzheimer's acting up again?

Thanks repoman. There was no way I was going to look it up.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

You said something to the affect of throwing grenades in to tunnels and you were completely unfazed that there would likely be children in those tunnels. But no, I won't look it up. I remember it just fine. It sticks out because it was appalling.

It was already quoted and of course nothing was in it about children. It was a comment about smugglers or terrorists using a tunnel under a "wall" and my reply how it could be stopped. To say I wanted to or want to grenade children is a bald faced lie.

 

[Younigue]

Yes, where is the part about children? Not there, never was there, never will be there.

It was brought up to you in that thread that there would be children and you didn't care. Grenades would fix the problem... And their little Mexicans too!

 

[repoman0]

You said something to the affect of throwing grenades in to tunnels and you were completely unfazed that there would likely be children in those tunnels. But no, I won't look it up. I remember it just fine. It sticks out because it was appalling.

Yeah, there's plenty of back and forth in that thread with people informing him of that and he never seems to care. Definitely a child killer.

edit: Actually, he does say that HE doesn't want to be the one doing the killing, someone else should. Arguably even more pathetic.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Yeah, there's plenty of back and forth in that thread with people informing him of that and he never seems to care. Definitely a child killer.

You are definitely a liar.